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PorkChopSandwiches
02-26-2015, 05:23 PM
It’s started.

As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.

Wednesday night, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, the Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, stepped in with a critical letter to BATFE demanding it explain the surprise and abrupt bullet ban. The letter is shown below.

The National Rifle Association, which is working with Goodlatte to gather co-signers, told Secrets that 30 House members have already co-signed the letter and Goodlatte and the NRA are hoping to get a total of 100 fast.

"The Obama administration was unable to ban America's most popular sporting rifle through the legislative process, so now it's trying to ban commonly owned and used ammunition through regulation," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group's policy and lobby shop. "The NRA and our tens of millions of supporters across the country will fight to stop President Obama's latest attack on our Second Amendment freedoms."

At issue is so-called “armor-piercing” ammunition, an exemption for those bullets mostly used for sport by AR-15 owners, and the recent popularity of pistol-style ARs that use the ammo.

The inexpensive 5.56 M885 ammo, commonly called green tips, have been exempt for years, as have higher caliber ammunition that also easily pierces the type of soft armor worn by police, because it’s mostly used by target shooters not criminals.

But now BATFE says that since the bullets can be used in semi-automatic handguns they pose a threat to police and must be banned from production, sale and use. But, as Goodlatte noted, offered no proof. Federal agencies will still be allowed to buy the ammo.

“This round is amongst the most commonly used in the most popular rifle design in America, the AR-15. Millions upon millions of M855 rounds have been sold and used in the U.S., yet ATF has not even alleged – much less offered evidence – that even one such round has ever been fired from a handgun at a police officer,” said Goodlatte’s letter.

Even some police don’t buy the administration’s claim. “Criminals aren't going to go out and buy a $1,000 AR pistol,” Brent Ball, owner of 417 Guns in Springfield, Mo. and a 17-year veteran police told the Springfield News-Leader. “As a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you.”

Many see the bullet ban as an assault on the AR-15 and Obama’s backdoor bid to end production and sale.

“We are concerned,” said Justin Anderson with Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, N.C., one of the nation’s top sellers of AR-15 style rifles. “Frankly, we're always concerned when the government uses back door methods to impose quasi gun control.”

Groups like the National Shooting Sports Foundation suggest that under BATFE’s new rule, other calibers like popular deer hunting .308 bullets could be banned because they also are used in AR-15s, some of which can be turned into pistol-style guns. “This will have a detrimental effect on hunting nationwide,” said the group.

FBD
02-26-2015, 05:38 PM
If Obama declares this to be law, I hope a 5.56 round passes through his empty fuggin skull

time for the revolution yet, boys?

Hal-9000
02-26-2015, 05:47 PM
I use 5.56 x 39 rounds myself :-k



and



....make the bullets 5 thousand dollas each!


:lol:

deebakes
02-27-2015, 01:53 AM
:sad2:

RBP
02-27-2015, 03:16 AM
Federal agencies will still be allowed to buy the ammo.

Naturally...

Griffin
02-27-2015, 03:41 AM
When he banned used government brass casings from recirculation a few years ago it put a dent in available economical reloaded ammo, now the excess projectiles are banned.

...I wonder which third world country he is giving this stuff to?

Loser
02-27-2015, 04:59 AM
He's only banning one type of 5.56, the steel core variety, which, tbh should have been banned a while ago.

All other 5.56 and .223 ammo is still for sale.

This article is just fear mongering.

DemonGeminiX
02-27-2015, 05:05 AM
Why should have the steel core variety been banned?

:-k

Loser
02-27-2015, 05:30 AM
Steel core is considered armor piercing. Always has been since the NFA was enacted.

Loser
02-27-2015, 05:38 AM
An fyi, 855 is shit ammo anyways, as it's wildly inaccurate through most 1/7 and 1/9 twist ar barrels, unless fired from a 20 inch barrel.

Which is why it was cheap.

xm193 is good ammo.

DemonGeminiX
02-27-2015, 07:10 AM
Ok, but for the sake of argument, don't you think that banning any type of ammunition by executive order sets a bad precedent of executive overreach?

:-k

Loser
02-27-2015, 06:38 PM
I agree with that entirely, but it's even more damaging to make an article that drums up fear mongering, thus driving the price of ammunition to ridiculous levels.

When this first hit the gun community, it wasn't just 855 that went up in price, it was ALL 5.56 ammo.

Why? Because of stupid people driving fear mongering.

FBD
02-27-2015, 08:54 PM
Um....no, its far, far more damaging to do illegal unconstitutional things as president :facepalm:

Loser
02-27-2015, 09:25 PM
Really? Go find 5.56 ammo that hasn't quadrupled in price since last wednesday...

FBD
02-27-2015, 09:38 PM
Really? check the body count over the last hundred years :tup:

Loser
02-27-2015, 11:17 PM
a.) You're going to have to go half speed, because I aint following. bodies?

b.) Him attempting to ban 855, while illegal, doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, it will be contested in court, and he'll lose, but either way he wins.

The fear mongering he just did, because people are fucking sheep, just drive up the price 400%.

Now, with all of that being said, armor piercing ammo should be illegal.*that's opinion*

xm855, by definition of law, is NOT armor piercing, but it is, in point of fact, armor piercing. It has only a partial steel core, which is called what? A penetrator core.. Law states a bullet must have an entire steel core to be defined as armor piercing.

Now the only reason ANY of this matter is because of the ar-15 pistol market, because armor piercing ammo is illegal in handguns. Most rifle ammo can penetrate class III armor, which all police wear, even standard lead core 5.56. So all of this is moot.

All of this was to cause fear mongering, which the sheep fell for, causing ammo prices to go up, and it's asshole headlines, like the one above, that is driving it.

Pony
02-27-2015, 11:20 PM
He's only banning one type of 5.56, the steel core variety, which, tbh should have been banned a while ago.

All other 5.56 and .223 ammo is still for sale.

This article is just fear mongering.

:obama::wub:








:nana:

Loser
02-28-2015, 12:42 AM
:facepalm: Lawd please don't compare me to that asshat.

Have you ever seen a round ricochet at an indoor range? It bounces against the floor, walls, ceiling, like a bottle rocket without a stick.

It's quiet terrifying.

855 is literally the reason I exclusively shoot at outdoor ranges now. Yes the copper and lead peel against the backstop, but that little tiny steel "penetrator", doesn't penetrate, it bounces like a fking superball.

Griffin
02-28-2015, 02:15 AM
So all of this is moot.



The real moot point is the whole pistol stance. The definition of a piece of plastic that creates a third point of contact on the body.
Just days before this decision the BATFE decided that their previous position of a stabilizing brace needed to be reformed.
This reclassification made a certain type of ammo illegal,

FBD
02-28-2015, 03:23 PM
a.) You're going to have to go half speed, because I aint following. bodies?

b.) Him attempting to ban 855, while illegal, doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, it will be contested in court, and he'll lose, but either way he wins.

The fear mongering he just did, because people are fucking sheep, just drive up the price 400%.

Now, with all of that being said, armor piercing ammo should be illegal.*that's opinion*

xm855, by definition of law, is NOT armor piercing, but it is, in point of fact, armor piercing. It has only a partial steel core, which is called what? A penetrator core.. Law states a bullet must have an entire steel core to be defined as armor piercing.

Now the only reason ANY of this matter is because of the ar-15 pistol market, because armor piercing ammo is illegal in handguns. Most rifle ammo can penetrate class III armor, which all police wear, even standard lead core 5.56. So all of this is moot.

All of this was to cause fear mongering, which the sheep fell for, causing ammo prices to go up, and it's asshole headlines, like the one above, that is driving it.

My point is, the penchant for the presidency to rather ignore the law and do whatever he wants, or whatever the international crime syndicate tells him to, has been far more destructive than any single abuse of the method. This is just one more transgression in a miles long list of transgressions by the US government against the citizens of the united states, and....basically the citizens of the entire world.

Our government is an unadulterated fucking menace.

I see your point, this is a bad, unconstitutional single act. But its just one in a long line of them.