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Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2015, 12:26 PM
FOX News and The Associated Press


The co-pilot of Germanwings 9525 had sole control of the doomed flight that crashed into the French Alps early Tuesday and appeared to want to "destroy the plane," a French prosecutor told The Associated Press.

The cockpit voice recorder, recovered on Wednesday from the rugged terrain north of Nice appeared to show the pilot clocked out of the cockpit and knocking on the door, first politely, then frantically in the moments before the jet, carrying 150 passengers and crew, began a rapid descent that killed all aboard.

Brice Robin, a Marseilles-based prosecutor told Reuters the evidence from the cockpit voice recorder, one of two "black boxes" and the only one recovered so far, seems to show the co-pilot, identified as Andreas Lubitz, refusing to open the cabin door as he began the descent "manually and intentionally."

The Airbus 320, which was en route from Barcelona to Dusseldorf, crashed into the mountain at 435 miles per hour, officials said. Germanwings, a low-budget carrier operated by Lufthansa, did not release the name of the pilot. Robin insisted in a news conference Thursday morning that Lubitz, a German from the central city of Montabaur, was not a terrorist.

"A terrorist?" he said in response to a question. "Absolutely not."

The airline said the captain had more than 6,000 hours of flying time and been Germanwings pilot since May 2014, having previously flown for Lufthansa and Condor, a German leisure airline. Lubitz, 28, joined Germanwings in September 2013, directly after training, and had flown 630 hours. Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr described both pilots as "experienced and trained."

The plane was about halfway through its flight when it descended from a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet to around 6,000 feet in approximately eight minutes. During that time, whoever was in the cockpit did not respond to radio calls from French air traffic controllers, who alerted authorities when the plane disappeared from their radar screens.

Overnight, AFP reported that one of the cockpit seats was pushed back and the access door opened and closed. Moments later, a source told the agency that knocking could be heard, but there was no conversation between the pilots. The source added that an alarm warning of the plane's proximity to the ground could be heard just before impact.

The New York Times report cited a senior military official involved in the investigation who said the knocking grew increasingly frantic as the Airbus 320 plummeted to earth.

"The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door, and there is no answer," the investigator said. "And then he hits the door stronger, and no answer. There is never an answer ... You can hear he is trying to smash the door down."

The Wall Street Journal, citing Airbus training materials, reported that many Airbus jets are fitted with crew-controlled locks designed to prevent unauthorized access to the flight deck. In some planes, the cockpit can be accessed through a keypad code, but pilots can also lock out external access for five minutes or longer by flipping a certain switch in the cockpit.

The Daily Telegraph, citing the German newspaper Bild, reported that air traffic controllers had tried three times to contact the plane after a final communication from the captain was received at 10:30 a.m. local time. Seconds later, the plane began descending. Bild's report, which cited a purported leaked copy of a timeline compiled by the controllers, said that attempts were made to contact the plane at 10:31, 10:35, and 10:36, with the last two attempts made on the international distress frequency. At 10:40 a.m., the plane vanished from the radar.

Remi Jouty, the director of France's aviation accident investigation office, told reporters Wednesday that investigators had been able to extract sounds and voice from the damaged voice recorder, but cautioned "at this stage, we don’t have the slightest explanation or interpretation as to what led this plane to fly down."

Officials have not formally ruled out any possible cause of the crash, though France's Interior Minister said early Wednesday that he did not believe terrorism was the likely cause "at the moment." At his press conference Wednesday, Jouty told reporters that the small pieces of debris from the plane indicated that the jet was intact when it hit the ground and did not explode in midair.

FBD
03-27-2015, 09:21 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11q_153.jpg

it even says on the airline's site that the a320s are never out of control of the ground systems. what part of fully automated satellite fly by wire is so easy to forget? on the a320, a pilot can easily and quickly be rendered completely unable to fly the plane.

two french fighter jets followed it to the crash scene and left as soon as the crash happened, and those reports were scrubbed within a day. (I dont know about you, but I think it would have made more sense for them to have stuck around and taken pictures or more closer observation of an aaaaaaaaccident, but hey, maybe that's just crazy talk.)

also snuffed out was the lone italian jet that issued a mayday call just before the plane began its descent, and then returned to base

in the a320, cockpit lockout only lasts 5 minutes.

:shrug: yeah, musta been some crazy nutter that wanted to off himself, despite enough people saying he was a happy guy and it was totally out of character.

how bad do the stories have to get before the public stops believing them :lol:


(I also had to laugh that they knew almost immediately that it was the copilot, despite not having even recovered the black boxes yet :rofl: see, the boeings have the uplink hidden in the passenger compartment floor, but the a320s its not in the same passenger floor compartment...)

Hal-9000
03-28-2015, 06:12 PM
they need a way to control the plane from a tower

FBD
03-29-2015, 12:45 PM
they need a way to control the plane from a tower

:lol: fact of the matter is, the boeings that crashed into the WTCs had this capability - and a small section of pilots and engineers familiar with it were asking why it was not utilized. people seem to forget about the feb 01 patent that saw the technology put into some commercial planes.

this is fuggin 14 years later, standard fare on this aircraft.

they had a way to control it - and they did, right into the side of a mountain.

Hal-9000
03-29-2015, 05:48 PM
:lol: fact of the matter is, the boeings that crashed into the WTCs had this capability - and a small section of pilots and engineers familiar with it were asking why it was not utilized. people seem to forget about the feb 01 patent that saw the technology put into some commercial planes.

this is fuggin 14 years later, standard fare on this aircraft.

they had a way to control it - and they did, right into the side of a mountain.


Seriously? A flight tower can lock out pilot controls and fly the craft???


Then why the fuck wasn't it utilized in both the WTC attacks and this story?? :x

PorkChopSandwiches
03-29-2015, 05:59 PM
You still believe it wasn't orchestrated

FBD
03-29-2015, 06:10 PM
:lol:

Hal, that's the point - it was utilized...in both cases.

Or was it just a coincidence that Marsh & McLennan (insurance...part of 911 was insurance scam also) were the owners of the floors of impact on both 1 & 2, and just so happened to contain datacenters at those locations...NAS, backup storage, etc...

you didnt forget about how enron was connected to this, did you?

sorry, there IS a shit ton of data.

and once any honest man makes his way through a sufficient amount of it,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbIv7W7rhx4

because there's such a staggering amount of shit, usually most people that realize it come across like that to someone that still believes in a fairy tale :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-29-2015, 06:11 PM
Such a brilliant underrated movie

FBD
03-29-2015, 06:22 PM
Seriously? A flight tower can lock out pilot controls and fly the craft???


Then why the fuck wasn't it utilized in both the WTC attacks and this story?? :x
I'm pretty sure the air traffic controllers themselves do not have the capability to do this. They have enough shit to do as it is. But it is 100% monitored in realtime and alarms go off to high fuggin hell if a plane deviates from its course or "the copilot locks out the captain and enters very secret codes that he knows even though he is only a junior pilot with a relatively small number of hours under his belt."

:lol: you seriously think they give those sorts of codes to a junior copilot with what, 600, a thousand hours flight time? :rofl: gimme a fuggin break, if someone believes that one!!!

cmon guys, I know for a fact they still taught critical thinking skills when we were in school. :razz:

I think the case is that each airline has their own department to monitor in real time, iirc.

also, not out of the question for something like an AWACS hijack, I mean, look who developed the technology to begin with...we'll have to see what they wind up saying, the airlines and such. if they were unable to do retrieve the aircraft then it was done by awacs - which was perhaps why they came up with the bullshit story about the copilot having used some secret code that there's no way he'd have legitimately had, not that they'd override ground control anyway. really the only way is to destroy the uplink, but they knew the pilot was trying to get at that, and that was used to explain the barricading the door bs story.

if "the copilot's breathing was normal all the way till the end," then he knew damned well what happened and there's no reason to panic, might as well go peacefully instead of screaming like the rest of the cowards. there was jack shit they could do about it .

Hal-9000
03-29-2015, 07:05 PM
I'm pretty sure the air traffic controllers themselves do not have the capability to do this. They have enough shit to do as it is. But it is 100% monitored in realtime and alarms go off to high fuggin hell if a plane deviates from its course or "the copilot locks out the captain and enters very secret codes that he knows even though he is only a junior pilot with a relatively small number of hours under his belt."

:lol: you seriously think they give those sorts of codes to a junior copilot with what, 600, a thousand hours flight time? :rofl: gimme a fuggin break, if someone believes that one!!!

cmon guys, I know for a fact they still taught critical thinking skills when we were in school. :razz:

I think the case is that each airline has their own department to monitor in real time, iirc.

also, not out of the question for something like an AWACS hijack, I mean, look who developed the technology to begin with...we'll have to see what they wind up saying, the airlines and such. if they were unable to do retrieve the aircraft then it was done by awacs - which was perhaps why they came up with the bullshit story about the copilot having used some secret code that there's no way he'd have legitimately had, not that they'd override ground control anyway. really the only way is to destroy the uplink, but they knew the pilot was trying to get at that, and that was used to explain the barricading the door bs story.

if "the copilot's breathing was normal all the way till the end," then he knew damned well what happened and there's no reason to panic, might as well go peacefully instead of screaming like the rest of the cowards. there was jack shit they could do about it .


Okley dokley...that was my question mon frere :thumbsup:

FBD
03-30-2015, 08:49 PM
if the pilot was hacking away at the satellite system, then the only appropriate place for the copilot would be at the seat, to take immediate action should the pilot have been successful

FBD
03-31-2015, 04:20 PM
March 28 2015

Someone killed a big lie for me - the cockpit door!
Someone dredged this up from A320 user manuals, and it kills the official story.

A forward-opening hinge door separates the cockpit from the passenger compartment. It has three electric locking strikes, controlled by the flight crew. In normal conditions, when the door is closed, they remain locked. When there is a request to enter the cockpit, the flight crew can authorize entry by unlocking the door, that remains closed until it is pushed open.

When the flight crew does not respond to requests for entry, the door can also be unlocked by the cabin crew, by entering a two to seven-digit code (programmed by the airline) on the keypad, installed on the lateral side of the Forward Attendant Panel (FAP).

DEAR REMI, PLEASE ASSIST! WE NEED SOME MORE "TRUTH TELLING", PLEASE, WERE BOTH PILOTS SUICIDAL ALONG WITH EVERY STEWARDESS?

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Additionally, they are lying about the antidepressants. This pilot was not depressed and not taking psych meds. Absolutely nothing of substantive proof is out there about this, which means he simply was not taking them. EMPTY ZOLOFT BOX OR IT IS ALL B.S. But the clincher is THE COCKPIT DOOR, WHICH HAS A KEYPAD IN THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE PILOTS TO LOCK ANYONE OTHER THAN A PROSPECTIVE HIJACKER AND PASSENGERS OUT. THE ENTIRE CABIN CREW HAS THE PASSWORD AS WELL AS THE PILOTS AND CAN GET IN EVEN IF THE PILOTS KEEP THE DOOR LOCKED FROM THE COCKPIT SIDE. This proves Remi lied lied LIED, why and HOW did he lie?


"When the flight crew does not respond to requests for entry, the door can also be unlocked by the cabin crew, by entering a two to seven-digit code (programmed by the airline) on the keypad, installed on the lateral side of the Forward Attendant Panel (FAP)".
MATT DRUDGE, I AM CALLING YOU OUT. IF YOU REALLY ARE MISSING THIS YOU NEED A CRANIAL ENEMA. DITTO FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO CLAIMS TO REPORT THE TRUTH. Even if you don't believe the remote control capabilities, it is NOW PROVEN THAT THE SUICIDE PILOT STORY IS A BIG FAT LIE, they faked the recording, that is all there is to it and to keep parroting that lie is FRAUD. YOU HAVE A FRAUDULENT WEB SITE DRUDGE. YOU REPORT LIES, THE A320 OPERATOR MANUAL PROVES IT.
And what other time was there a proven fake recording made for a plane crash? Why, the call from Cee Cee Lyle, flight 93, on 911.
CeeCee's call sets a STARK precedent here:

Permanent: 911 Flight 93 phone call busted. CeeCee Lyle read her arab incriminating yet fully scripted phone call from the ground, in a call center, and if you listen to the call, you can hear her coach say "that was great!" after she finishes speaking. You can also hear a coach or manager say "allright" in the background of the enhanced version, and AFTER THAT you can hear her coach say "sorry" for saying "that was great" too loud and possibly having it be audible in the message. CeeCee Lyle flight 93 911 phone call enhanced and original This kills the entire arab/911 meme, obviously the calls were faked. But that won't do it for Drudge, BET ON IT!

Hal-9000
03-31-2015, 06:43 PM
re:Cee Cee Lyle's call (s)

What goal would a 'coach' or 'manager' have with making a flight attendant perform a 'scripted' call? They've proven the first call came from an airphone (seatback phone).

So she makes the scripted call, they 'plant her license' at the crash site and then what? Kill her?? Make her live on a island for the rest of her life and pay her millions? What is the goal of doing this?????? :lol:

I've listened to a few different versions and the muffled phrase or interference or reverbed phrase sounds like ....that was great...it's a frame...play the game....or the MORE LIKELY phrase saying - "see your face again babe"....her actual last words of the call :thumbsup:

FBD
03-31-2015, 08:09 PM
yeah, the NIST "proved" that there was no way thermite could cut steel, too :lol: what's "proved"...what you are told is fact? they "proved" global warming too, in case you forgot - only, with that one, there's more than a handful of people interested in the truth there. cmon Hal, if it was the other end of the line saying see your face again babe then it would have sounded like it was on the call instead of sitting 3 feet away.





and another false flag gets shuffled off to where we can safely not have to look at it :lol:


I find that rather offensive that you are all given proof of this, and there's still a question.


FACT: NO ONE was locked out of the cockpit, BECAUSE IF YOU ENTER THE ACCESS CODE FROM THE KEYPAD TO GET IN, A LOUD BEEP CAN BE HEARD IN THE COCKPIT and that is something ANYONE would try before grabbing an axe. Even if the copilot wanted everyone locked out, he could not have stopped that beeping, and instead of BEEPING, REMI TALKS ABOUT BREATHING
FACT: The co pilot's breathing was not picked up by the flight recorder because the cockpit is so loud that pilots HAVE TO wear headsets TO GET OVER THE NOISE. If you want to hear the pilot next to you clearly you have to use a headset. The first generation A320 has a cockpit plagued by wind noise that would have made it completely impossible for any recorder to pick up the sound of a man breathing.
FACT: BOLD FACED LIE BY REMI: Remi claims the descent started when the co pilot hit a button THAT BEEPED to start the descent, WHEN IN REALITY, those controls are silent and make no noise at all.
FACT: There is no way the memory could be missing from the flight data recorder unless someone removed it after the crash.
FACT: The villain was named WAY TOO SOON for a legitimate investigation




wtf is wrong with people :lol:

:facepalm:

Hal-9000
03-31-2015, 08:19 PM
Didn't hear an answer to my question :rolleyes:....you can bring in all the supposition and theory you want on a recorded 9/11 phone call, but at the end of the day, that's all it is. Supposition based on a recorded phone message. Your 'proof' are theories only, not based on any established fact.

Same with the German airplane and cockpit 'facts'....there's talk about beeps and breathing and whether a person could get into the cockpit using a keypad. Not one of us was there, at that moment, behind the cockpit in that plane. And wind noise is used as an excuse for a recorder not picking up the sound of a man breathing...in a cockpit??? Really??????


:lol: wake up sheeple, you're making extremely thin arguments for irrelevant instances, just to suit your theory...rather than looking at evidence with an impartial eye.

FBD
03-31-2015, 08:46 PM
:lol: because your question was ill defined. What goal would a 'coach' or 'manager' have with making a flight attendant perform a 'scripted' call? this was part of a false flag, it is scripted for that very reason. so assuming some fairy tales are true, like a single point of failure causing the entire roof of 7 to collapse symmetrically and entirely falling within milliseconds of itself, ....uh...even then, the question is undefined because "if it was real" then there would be no need to have it scripted, but given that so much else was simple outright lie wrt information presented that day, I mean the same fuggin news station reported 7 fell TWICE before it actually fell...

you cant just take that in isolation from all the other facts. as if IP spoofing does not exist! cmon! how them phones work, hal? how are the calls routed? you guys look at those big black holes of information and jsut say well, too much for me to determine, and give up your line of questioning!

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/flight931.mp3

enhanced. what else might that sound like? whispered "you did great"...from a short distance away.

and wrt planting her license....well hey, they never did find black boxes now did they? but they found one of the hijacker's passports! :rofl:

what is the goal of doing this, I have already said a few times over. 7 was the main target, having housed singular copies of umpteen SEC investigations, most notably Enron, in which the names of many "protected" people were implicated. 5 had a gold heist from it where certain entities were allowed to get their gold out and the rest were told sorry it all melted away into that giant hole in the ground. pentagon also house singular copies of certain JAG investigations related to some of the SEC stuff. also, the patriot act was already written by 9-11, how else did they have such a large and complex document brought forth so quickly? its all a great heist, 911 was part of the greatest heist and swindle ever. the banks know the endgame is approaching for this massive debt ponzi they've created, and they dont want people getting all Bastille on them as is the case so many times in history where the little plebes find out just how badly their owners are fucking them over.

Why police state! you didnt see none of this shit happen like this 15, 20, 30 years ago! they know they've jsut about sucked all they can out of it, and the printing machine has gotten to the point where its not really fooling anyone any longer, but people buy based on whispers from the fed just on general principle these days!

they did 911 to cover up a lot of stuff, you think it was coincidence it just happened to be around the same time the tech bubble had been pricked?!

and then they blew the housing bubble to absorb the deflating air, and then when that failed, they simply moved all the bad bets off the banks books and onto the balance sheet of the people!!!!









so back to the german cockpit. yeah, none of us was there.


but you know what? certain things operate in certain fashions and do certain things when certain events happen. the descriptions of things I pasted are facts about the known behavior of these systems.

the authorities are telling us things that are inconsistent with known facts.

what's this theory and conjecture you're speaking of?

If A, then B. That is a fact. Enter code is punched, beep happens. FACT. Cockpit of A320 louder than average, they picked up his breathing, but not the beeping? The pilot went straight for the axe instead of trying to enter his codes? Why would the official version of the story omit the captain trying however many times to enter his code? Oh, right, because the pilot's code cant be locked out, so the whole fuggin story unravels...in so many places its not even funny.

Memory just so happens to be missing from the flight data recorder, which would contradict their story about its descent?

How hard does one have to try to believe these tall tales. Its like you guys have this preposterously high bar for anything that contradicts the official story, and all an official story needs is that Official stamp on it to have all the credibility in the world.

When you are handed datum after datum that tell you they lie, cheat, steal, and kill their way through the world. These people meant nothing in comparison to the person who had to be killed so dead they couldnt identify any body parts, they meant no more than the 3000+ murdered by the state security apparatus on 911.

Hal-9000
04-01-2015, 04:05 PM
because your question was ill defined


No, it was straightforward. You (or your news article) brought up the comparison of Cee Cee's phone call. I merely asked what was the underlying goal of going to that extent to fake a phone call from an airplane that crashed.




Its like you guys have this preposterously high bar...


No, it's just me asking.




so assuming some fairy tales are true..

I try to give your theories as much credence as possible :lol:


And your last paragraphs are exactly what I want to question. I understand the idea of how things 'should work', chain of events, cause and effect etc...

You're trying to derive a lot of evidence out of a black box recording on an aircraft that is plummeting to the ground at over 400 mph. The tech isn't THX certified and it's possible....that the recording didn't pick up certain things in the chain of events.

That's what I was referring to when you mentioned the wind in the cockpit obscuring or changing noise...

Hal-9000
04-01-2015, 04:07 PM
from your own post:


FACT: The co pilot's breathing was not picked up by the flight recorder because the cockpit is so loud that pilots HAVE TO wear headsets TO GET OVER THE NOISE. If you want to hear the pilot next to you clearly you have to use a headset. The first generation A320 has a cockpit plagued by wind noise that would have made it completely impossible for any recorder to pick up the sound of a man breathing.


and then you go on to talk about beeps, breathing and other noises that 'should' happen in a certain chain of events.....you kinda contradicted your own post at times...

Hal-9000
04-01-2015, 04:09 PM
and Imma call you U-Haul from now on because you keep getting threads moved :dance: :lol: :dance:



*laugh, it's a joke dude

FBD
04-02-2015, 12:16 PM
No, it was straightforward. You (or your news article) brought up the comparison of Cee Cee's phone call. I merely asked what was the underlying goal of going to that extent to fake a phone call from an airplane that crashed. Sorry bro, that equates to "if they faked the whole thing, why did they fake this phone call?" Wait, What??? :lol: If they faked everything then that necessarily says that this phone call was faked. A white noise generator is very easily made to be "flying background" in audio.





I try to give your theories as much credence as possible :lol: :lol: I tend to think you think they are remotely possible, but you cant bring yourself to believe in the solidity of certain facts - facts which, for me, provide more than enough logical inconsistency to call the "official" theory into question.



And your last paragraphs are exactly what I want to question. I understand the idea of how things 'should work', chain of events, cause and effect etc...

You're trying to derive a lot of evidence out of a black box recording on an aircraft that is plummeting to the ground at over 400 mph. The tech isn't THX certified and it's possible....that the recording didn't pick up certain things in the chain of events.

That's what I was referring to when you mentioned the wind in the cockpit obscuring or changing noise...Good, because that is exactly the sort of thing that shows you the Official Theory is a fake one. The fact that a crew member cannot lock a crew member out of the cockpit is one of them. The fact that whenever a code is entered into that keypad, there is a beep, whether it is a successful entry or not, those facts straight out of the A320 literature are things that should generate known events along a timeline. When the story presented to you has different events and none of them include the flow of events of known facts such as this, it chips away at the validity of the Official Theory. Its not a matter of THX resolution, its a matter of certain known events being far louder than certain other events. Those certain other events were not even part of the timeline presented. What is the pilot going to do first thing after he finishes taking a piss? Go enter his code on that keypad to gain access. Beep...? No? Ok, his code didnt work, maybe he typed it wrong? The logical next action would be to type it in again, no? Beep...? Hello? He immediately starts pounding on the door saying let me in? :rofl: Maybe I messed the code up twice, let me try a third time perhaps? No? No mention of how many times the pilot tried to enter the code at all, but they are quite intent on getting straight to him trying to axe the door...(just like there have been 512 stories about the copilot's suicidal tendencies and mountains of (throwdown) antidepressants "left in his home" :lol:

oh hey, where's that axe located in the plane again? Right there in the passenger compartment, just in case they need to axe down the cockpit door? :lol:


from your own post:




and then you go on to talk about beeps, breathing and other noises that 'should' happen in a certain chain of events.....you kinda contradicted your own post at times...no, that's consistent. how many db is average cockpit volume during flight. how many db is average breathing, measured from mic distance away. what is threshold db where the attenuator trips off and opens the mic up - because below that threshold db value it will remain closed, that's part of the gated function of mic headsets like that, below a certain db value they are completely attenuated.

also please note that, even if the average cockpit spl (sound pressure level) in db was not louder than breathing, both are beneath the threshold where it would trip off the attenuator threshold and start the audio at volume. that right there also tells you that the story is jive turkey bullshit. are we supposed to think he had the damned mic in his mouth doing that prank call heavy breathing? :lol: otherwise the gate function is misconfigured and a lot of what is otherwise attenuated will make it into the audio stream. breathing is beneath the threshold for a reason, otherwise the gate would be open the entire flight and would negate the function of the gate in the first place.

(you remember I'm a recording engineer, yes? ;) )

so basically what we are being told is that events which do not breach the threshold db value, are being picked up and relayed across the mic'd system, while other events that are far above that db value were not picked up.

how much more selectively presented and carefully crafted can this story be?

how the pad plays out (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/cockpitdoor.wmv)

you think a long loud 30 second beep somehow escapes being recorded, but the slow, rhythmic breathing of a suicidal co pilot gets picked up clearly all the way to the end? :lol:

the bar is where it should be, for me. evidence that goes beyond the bar gets considered as such. half baked theories that leave holes all over and have known facts contradict their veracity also get considered as such.

FBD
04-02-2015, 12:24 PM
http://82.221.129.208/damningscreenshot.gif

http://82.221.129.208/expungement.gif

if the official story is not a tall tale, why expunge all of these reports of the fighter jets following the plane?

FBD
04-02-2015, 02:23 PM
Remember - I dont *have* to come up with a completely logical and consistent timeline - that is the investigators' job to do. All I have to do is find the gaping fuggin holes in the Official Theory and point them out, take a piss right through the hole - and then say this story is logically inconsistent, is contradicted by known facts and I do not believe it. (that is not my expressed intent from the getgo, its just where lies lead me.) I dont have to explain every last little thing, lest I roam too far into conjecture in some cases, because since our information is necessarily limited, we simply cannot explain everything without breaching into conjecture. Like the Cee Cee call - I dont have to explain every last little bit of that, because building 7 already gave it away so badly that one needs not look any further - but perchance one does, too much stuff in 1...2.....5....pentagon.....that goes way contrary to the Convenience Theory. That's what makes "you did great"...."great"...other evidence already ratted the story out. And just like the dude in boston that supposedly had his legs blown off, its just part of creating a meme for people to believe in, follow, and rally around in certain cases. The Cee Cee call is not sufficient on its own to determine the fraud of 911. It just just another scene in a fictional representation of the day, and having things on the audio like "you did great" just undermines any credibility it might have had.

All one has to do is point out where the Official Theory of Convenience is logically inconsistent and or impossible - and with a story that's got more holes in it than great gramp's barn that he built in the 1960s, that still stands today....it isnt exactly a hard task, it just requires paying attention to details.


I only type so much because having governments take over planes and force them into mountains, or detonate big buildings and make up some other story is serious shit. The swindle is serious, and seriously huge, and the more people that wake up and understand this, the better.

Hal-9000
04-02-2015, 04:14 PM
Remember - I dont *have* to come up with a completely logical and consistent timeline...

Sure, but if you're the one disputing that an action did not occur, the burden of proof is upon you the moment you say - This strays from the official report of the incident.

Thanks for the info :thumbsup:

As mentioned I don't think people should take everything told to us at face value, we do need to question things. In the same spirit, questioning or disbelieving everything is a dangerous place to go. There are events in history that are/were innocent of any government or shadowy rich people consortium massaging the story to elicit a certain result. Sometimes ze cigar is just a cigar...

FBD
04-02-2015, 04:30 PM
true, it does put a certain amount of burden to explain certain things - but those with a little legal expertise note that shooting your opponents story full of holes by way of logical inconsistency doesnt always have to be accompanied by a full story of how the entire thing went down. you dont need to have a rug underneath you in order to pull the rug from underneath someone else, in a manner of speaking. Cee Cee is bubkis in the weighting of evidence, and things that carry only a light or tangential weight in the grand scheme of things dont need to be fully explained and remain in fuzzy territory, a la "great job"...

...and where this has happened too many times - my great grump's barn dont have cannon ball sized holes in it - but these logically inconsistent fables sure as hell do.

http://www.dw.de/second-germanwings-black-box-found/a-18359190
:lol: so I poke fun at the million contrivances, like look, see! he even researched cockpit security online! he works in the industry and there's a lot of knowledge he has access to, but hey, let me try google :lol: everyone knew I was suicidal but I convinced them to let me fly because I'm also secretly a mass murderer too! :lol:

the copilot and the captain were very likely the only two that knew how serious things were from the moment the copilot lost control of the aircraft, although, I'll tell you this, I'm no frequent flier but *every* single beginning of descent, I knew immediately...and to the extent the copilot was calm, he probably knew that he was completely fucked and there was no way for them to take control (this was corrected with what's installed in the a320, whereas a pilot would have been able to fight a bit with the controls in what was originally installed into the boeings that were used on 911 - which was why flight 93 was ditched into the ground, because they could no longer guarantee a precise hit on building 7)....
I've been trying to look and see if there was a way for, or if it was default behavior, for the cockpit to go into automatic lockdown mode and all codes are irrelevant, once the anti hijack is enabled and the cockpit no longer has control. If that's the case, that would have been why the copilot would have said "sorry, I cant do that"...because he had no way to.

also, when that protocol is enabled, is cockpit to passenger com affected? he may have been musing to himself. depends on that protocol.

Hal-9000
04-02-2015, 04:33 PM
it's off topic and I am reading your stuff on the German plane...

but...


Did we go to the moon FBD? What's your take on that?

I don't have a hidden agenda, just have always been curious as to your thoughts on it.

FBD
04-02-2015, 04:33 PM
and its certainly not out of the realm of possibility for those french pilots to have been told, there is a nuke on board this hijacked airplane, you are to immediately scramble, we have activated the antihijack and are going to immediately crash it so that there is not a nuclear detonation on a major city, you are to make sure it crashes, if not, shoot it down.

FBD
04-02-2015, 04:43 PM
it's off topic and I am reading your stuff on the German plane...

but...


Did we go to the moon FBD? What's your take on that?

I don't have a hidden agenda, just have always been curious as to your thoughts on it.

We absolutely went to the moon. That was a live tv feed and millions of people witnessed quite a long length of feed, albeit lagged because of the travel time. The physics were different enough that it would have required preproduction and could not have been performed live. Even if done with varied tape speeds, any of that would have required greater lengths even still, than what was done normally. (and not only that, to have staged this *that* elaborately so as to have the physics play out throughout the entire length consistently....that would have been an utterly amazing technological feat indeed, they couldnt even make people fly realistically in warped timespace in the Matrix, ffs!)

So basically what was broadcast, could not have been taped, even if they were shooting from a desert. And since the physics clearly showed the different gravity of the moon, there is little question of the authenticity of what millions saw on tv. At normal speeds, there was an order of magnitude at least of available tape lengths, and even if they had somehow devised a way to have spliced, there were no splice markings so have made the time notations correct so as to have a seamless data stream - it was seamless to the millions of viewers on tv. Any slowing would have just been preposterous amounts of tape that in no way shape or form existed at that point in time.

Without those millions of witnesses, it would become exponentially harder to prove its authenticity, it is those very few facts that clearly put this one into the reality category. Every bit as solidly as the authenticity of demolition of building 7 ;)

FBD
04-02-2015, 07:43 PM
this is why you didnt hear him breathing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kURbl4RiB0

listen to how quiet the pilot's speaking voice is in comparison to the background noise

FBD
04-02-2015, 07:46 PM
also - they supposedly found the FDR 8 days ago, and said the memory chip was missing (impossible)

now, "oh, we found the FDR" .....wait, what? wtf? well, which is it, now?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/04/02/germanwings-copilot-depression/70818268/


The development came as the second black box from the airliner was found. Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said in a news conference that the recorder was "completely blackened." The flight data recorder contains information such as the time, altitude, speed and direction of the aircraft. The cockpit voice recorder was found soon after the crash.
dated 4/2

FBD
04-02-2015, 07:54 PM
http://farsight3.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/23-3-_lufthansa-aktie.jpg

in german, talking about plummeting lufthansa shares....what day did this happen, again? lol

FBD
04-02-2015, 07:59 PM
All of these recently downed planes were insured by the same company...

FBD
04-02-2015, 08:23 PM
Interesting coincidence...the Air Asia flight QZ8501 that went down in December, was also an A320. The Independent Newspaper reports the Black Box shows the Pilot out of his chair pulling the system circuit breaker!



The captain of the AirAsia jet that crashed into the sea off Indonesia in December was out of his seat conducting an unusual procedure when his co-pilot apparently lost control.

By the time he returned it was too late to save the plane, two people close to the investigation told news agency Reuters.

They said that investigators were examining the Flight Augmentation Computer (FAC) recovered from the Airbus A320, and that the captain had taken the “very unusual” step of disabling the system.

"You can reset the FAC, but to cut all power to it is very unusual," said an A320 pilot, who chose to remain anonymous.

"You don't pull the circuit breaker unless it was an absolute emergency. I don't know if there was one in this case, but it is very unusual."





also,


The black box is designed to withstand an impact of 3400 g as required by EUROCAE ED-112.

and not eject their memory chips, I'll bet :lol:


When the first Airbus was flying at an air show years ago, the plane thought it was in landing mode. No amount of control manipulation by the pilots could correct it. And it flew into a field against the pilots wishes. So I suppose that validates the theory.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cv2ud1339E

FBD
04-02-2015, 08:39 PM
"In case of an electrical supply failure, the door is automatically unlocked"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/260119041/a320-Operating-Manual-Cockpit-Door
so the copilot did not "pull a fuse" or some shit to disable the door mechanism




haha...what? wtf are those, masonry bricks? they look damned good for surviving such an impact...
http://i61.tinypic.com/34hcoj4.jpg




another good point, there was half or more of the flight's fuel inside the jet.....where's the charred stuff?






another odd thing in the timeline, the descent is initiated, and the ground tower waits 3 entire minutes to contact the plane?











as if I havent been convinced of the false flaggyness of this already...

FBD
04-02-2015, 11:24 PM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germanwings-a320-plane-crash-explosion-smoke-before-airbus-plunged-into-french-alps-1493351

Witnesses told the French Air Force they heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the doomed Germanwings' A320 passenger plane shortly before it crashed into the mountains near Digne, southern France, IBTimes UK can reveal.

A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, told IBTimes UK witnesses in the crash investigation told him "they had heard an explosion and seen smoke".

While the French authorities have not confirmed these accounts, the pilot confirms the French Air Force has received a number of corroborating witness testimonies.

The pilot also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".
.....





inconveniences....mumz was right, once you start telling lies, you have to tell lies deeper than the ocean to back up the first one ;)