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Teh One Who Knocks
03-30-2015, 11:11 AM
By John Ingold - The Denver Post


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The parents of a woman killed during the Aurora movie theater shooting lost their bid Friday to hold ammunition sellers liable for the attack.

Sandy and Lonnie Phillips, whose daughter, Jessica Ghawi, was one of 12 people killed in the July 2012 attack, had sued four online retailers that provided bullets, gun magazines and body armor alleged to have been used in the shooting. They accused the retailers of selling the items without concern about the mental fitness of the buyer or the items' intended use.

The retailers "established and operated businesses which attracted — and catered to — dangerous persons such as (James) Holmes," the couple's complaint argued, "and yet they failed ... to reasonably screen to prevent such dangerous people from obtaining arms."

In an order issued Friday, Senior U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch ruled state and federal laws protect ammunition sellers from such lawsuits. He dismissed the case.

The Phillipses' lawsuit, Matsch wrote, tries "to have it both ways." In spots, the lawsuit argues the retailers should have known that Holmes intended to use the large quantity of ammunition or other items he was buying for an attack. And in other parts, Matsch wrote, the lawsuit argues the retailers knew nothing about Holmes when they sold him the items.

"Looked at in the aggregate and retrospectively," Matsch wrote, "it could be inferred that Holmes' purchases were consistent with planning criminal activity but such an inference is unreasonable under the facts pleaded."

The Phillipses had hoped to force the retailers to change their business practices so they had more information about their customers before making sales. Matsch said that decision is a political one and outside of his authority.

At least 12 other lawsuits remain pending in Denver federal court in connection with the Aurora theater shooting. Most are against the theater's owner, arguing that it should have done more to protect patrons.

PorkChopSandwiches
03-30-2015, 02:06 PM
At least one person behind the bench isn't crazy

Hal-9000
03-30-2015, 04:52 PM
... four online retailers that provided bullets, gun magazines and body armor


You can buy large quantities of ammo and body armor online without any sort of check?????



:facepalm:


I'll leave this thread now....wow

Goofy
03-30-2015, 04:55 PM
Without a gun to put them in bullets are pretty useless......... i suppose you could throw them at people........ or use a catapult :-k

FBD
03-30-2015, 08:52 PM
do I even have to mention the fact that the federal government has zero authority to restrict ammunition sales or body armor? :facepalm:

(not that it isnt part of a long list of unconstitutional, illegal "rights" they have granted themselves and use against the population....)

Teh One Who Knocks
03-30-2015, 11:18 PM
... four online retailers that provided bullets, gun magazines and body armor


You can buy large quantities of ammo and body armor online without any sort of check?????



:facepalm:


I'll leave this thread now....wow

The laws for buying these items mail order are no different than they are if you were to purchase them in person at a retailer. To buy ammunition, you must be 18 years old (21 if buying handgun rounds) and you must have a valid form of government issued ID. So far as I know, there is no limit imposed on how much you are allowed to buy at one time, other than the retailer may have their own policy in place stating how much you can buy at one time or each individual state may have some kind of limit imposed. The online retailer must comply with each state law that they are shipping ammunition to, just the same as a local retailer operating in the state does.

As for body armor, again, so far as I know, the sale of it is not federally regulated in the United States other than the fact that convicted felons are not allowed to own or purchase it, just the same as the loss of their right to purchase and own a firearm. Every state regulates it to some degree, some more restrictive than others. In this example, the state of Colorado has nothing in place other than the federal law restricting felons from owning/purchasing bullet proof vest and/or body armor. Any non-felon citizen of Colorado may purchase these items either face to face (POS) or mail order.

You cannot hold the manufacturers and retailers of these items liable for misuse by someone any more than you can hold a car dealership and can manufacturer liable when someone kills a person from behind the wheel of the vehicle.

Muddy
03-30-2015, 11:55 PM
do I even have to mention the fact that the federal government has zero authority to restrict ammunition sales or body armor? :facepalm:

(not that it isnt part of a long list of unconstitutional, illegal "rights" they have granted themselves and use against the population....)

They are getting ready to ban some kind of ammo.. cant recall the size easily..

PorkChopSandwiches
03-31-2015, 12:10 AM
Green tip AR

Muddy
03-31-2015, 01:19 AM
Theres a specific size though I thought.

Muddy
03-31-2015, 01:21 AM
AR-15’s .223 caliber M855 ammunition

deebakes
03-31-2015, 02:28 AM
:rip:

FBD
03-31-2015, 10:28 AM
Green tip AR

yeah, which is complete bullshit, with some asinine reasoning behind like "well, you might be able to shoot through a cop's best with it" :hand: yeah, a cop will probably be able to shoot through whatever it is I'm wearing also, what's your point? point is if I'm shooting at one then I've been attacked by the state. its ok though, they will procure a throwdown, whether its a loose cigarette or a gun or an AR 15, it doesnt matter, they just make up whatever they feel is necessary to make the story jive with what they want to accomplish, reality be damned.