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FBD
04-22-2015, 07:04 PM
"He told me that I had to go. He said I was interfering with their investigation and I told [him] that I was on a public sidewalk and I had the right to film them.." And then this happened...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKK8IqCKxKE


Beatriz Paez says she was doing nothing wrong taking video of U.S. Marshal executing warrants on San Juan Avenue Sunday. She saw people in handcuffs. “Around 8 people including women were held at gunpoint on their stomachs with their hands held behind their back,” says Paez.



But, when one marshal saw her recording, “He told me that I had to go. And, I told him I had the right to film and he said I was interfering with their investigation and I told them that I was on a public sidewalk and I had the right to film them.”


...the courts have consistently held that the First Amendment protects citizens' right to record the police when they're on the job. The police can't stop you unless you're interfering with their work -- and they can't take away your smart phone or delete the recordings just because you took video.

Police need a warrant to mess with the content of your cell phone.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/04-overflow/20150422_p%5Bhone.jpg







http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-feds-probe-video-phone-in-south-gate-20150421-story.html



With smartphones everywhere, police on notice they may be caught on camera

In South Gate, police had already been warned: Just expect that you might be filmed with cellphones and other cameras as you do your job.

After high-profile uses of force caught on video in places like South Carolina, New York and L.A.’s skid row, officers in the Southeast L.A. suburb had been told to take filming in stride. If you're not doing anything wrong, police brass reasoned, what do you have to worry about?


So on Sunday, when a lawman was caught on video snatching a woman’s cellphone in South Gate as she recorded and smashing it on the floor, it was with relief that South Gate police said the officer wasn’t one of their own but a deputy U.S. marshal.

“We’ve had incidents where people have videotaped us and it requires unbelievable restraint. Typically during times where things can be a little chaotic,” said South Gate police Capt. Darren Arakawa. “We really have to convey we’re living in a different environment now where police action is scrutinized and a lot of video is surfacing. We simply tell our officers to assume they’re being recorded out in public at all times.”

The idea of an unseen camera capturing an officer’s conduct first became prominent after the Rodney King video in 1991, Arakawa said. But video’s starring role in controversial police actions, including beatings and shootings, has increased in the more than two decades since. And more and more police departments, including the LAPD, are planning to equip their officers with body cameras.

“It’s a double-edged sword. Law enforcement is adopting some of the practices of technology as well with body cameras, digital records, dash-cams,” Arakawa said. “It’s just indicative of the times.”


On Sunday Beatriz Paez, 34, recorded video of deputy marshals as they detained a group of people in her neighborhood. Someone else in turn was recording her, on the video that ended up on YouTube and sparked the U.S. Marshals Service investigation.

“The U.S. Marshals Service is aware of video footage of an incident that took place Sunday in Los Angeles County involving a Deputy U.S. Marshal. The agency is currently reviewing the incident,” officials said in a statement.




“There is no situation in which an officer can intentionally grab and destroy a camera being used to lawfully record law enforcement,” said Hector Villagra, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. “The officer’s conduct is a blatant and deliberate violation of the Constitution and his duties as an officer to abide by the law.”

In the video, Paez is shown standing on the sidewalk aiming a cellphone toward two men standing a short distance away, wearing black shirts with tactical vests reading “Police” across the back. As the men stand with their backs to the woman, she can be heard saying “You are making me feel unsafe, and I have a right to be here” and “You need to stay away from me, I don’t feel safe with you closer to me,” among other statements.


Paez said Tuesday that the men had noticed her recording moments earlier and began to back up toward her to block her view. About 27 seconds into the video, a third man, a deputy U.S. marshal wearing a tactical vest and carrying a rifle, walks across a front lawn toward the sidewalk where Paez is standing.

Paez appears to aim her phone toward the deputy as one of the other men motions toward her with his arm. The words spoken at this point in the recording are unintelligible.

At 32 seconds, Paez takes a couple of steps away from the men. The deputy marshal crossing the lawn then rushes toward her and grabs the device from her hand.

“Oh! No! Don’t do that!” Paez is heard yelling as the man wrestles the device out of her hand and smashes it on the ground.

The phone’s screen was shattered and the device stopped working, said Paez’s attorney, Colleen Flynn. They plan to try to recover the video Paez was recording from the phone’s chip, Flynn said.

Paez said she began recording when she saw the law enforcement presence, their military-style weapons and a line of people being detained. She said the officers started letting the people they detained go soon after she pulled out her phone and started recording.

“It’s our responsibility to take care of each other,” Paez said. “It’s our constitutional right to film.”

Hal-9000
04-22-2015, 07:08 PM
Question - The Marshalls were arresting people at gunpoint and had them laying face down. I assume that's a safety precaution as the felons could have become violent during the arrests?


So what is her problem? Let the US Marshalls do their job and get off of the sidewalk while police work is happening :thumbsup:

FBD
04-22-2015, 07:12 PM
Why, if they were "felons" being held at gunpoint, you'd think that they'd be charged with something.

If that's the case, why were they let go after they had been filmed?

Peculiar indeed.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-22-2015, 07:47 PM
I posted the gif in your thread yesterday :lol:

FBD
04-22-2015, 07:48 PM
:lol: I forgot that existed

PorkChopSandwiches
04-22-2015, 07:49 PM
:lol:

Muddy
04-22-2015, 07:49 PM
:lol: I forgot that existed

Do you ever press the 'new posts' button at the tops left of the screen? :lol:

FBD
04-22-2015, 07:56 PM
I didnt know that existed either :dance:

its one of those things, if I have interest, I'll pick something apart to its marrow, but if its relatively inconsequential, seemingly obvious details will elude me. :lol: (because I dont look)

Muddy
04-22-2015, 08:00 PM
http://i.imgur.com/MOQBK8J.jpg

Pony
04-22-2015, 08:11 PM
..the courts have consistently held that the First Amendment protects citizens' right to record the police when they're on the job. The police can't stop you unless you're interfering with their work

That's exactly what she was doing. If she would have been a safe distance away and kept her mouth shut it would have never happened.

FBD
04-22-2015, 08:21 PM
That's exactly what she was doing. If she would have been a safe distance away and kept her mouth shut it would have never happened.

yeah, except what you're missing is that her talking to them was in response to their efforts to prevent her from filming them in the first place, trying to form a wall and back up and prevent her from taking any shots of what they were doing.

if her video is recoverable, it should show that.

FBD
04-22-2015, 08:31 PM
best remedy I heard: make the cops individually responsible, sue-able, and make the got damn cops pension fund pay out when they have to pay out, it should not come from the citizens pockets, it should come from the blue line's lined pockets.

then the blue line will take care of itself, because self preservation.

Pony
04-22-2015, 09:05 PM
She's still too close, it's a danger to her and a distraction for the officers. That = interference.

I don't know why I'm bothering to even discuss it with you. I could show you 100% irrefutable proof and you would still argue on the smallest of inconsistencies.

deebakes
04-23-2015, 01:37 AM
Do you ever press the 'new posts' button at the tops left of the screen? :lol:

that's how the government tracks you :hand:

PorkChopSandwiches
04-23-2015, 02:47 AM
:rofl: #nsa

FBD
04-23-2015, 10:20 AM
She's still too close, it's a danger to her and a distraction for the officers. That = interference.

I don't know why I'm bothering to even discuss it with you. I could show you 100% irrefutable proof and you would still argue on the smallest of inconsistencies.

seriously!?!?! :rofl: yeah, let's talk about "irrefutable proof" :rofl: you guys wouldnt know irrefutable proof if it blew up in your face on live TV, and then you were shown the slow-mo replays 812 times thereafter!!!

so the officers attempt to prevent a documenting of their activities by video, something protected by law, and if she says anything about them trying to prevent that, SHE'S interfering?!?!?! are you fucking kidding me!

:lol: and you wonder why I use the bootlicker term every so often!!! how DOES mud taste, its been at least 37 years since I've been tricked into trying it!

PorkChopSandwiches
04-23-2015, 04:18 PM
That's exactly what she was doing. If she would have been a safe distance away and kept her mouth shut it would have never happened.


She's still too close, it's a danger to her and a distraction for the officers. That = interference.

I don't know why I'm bothering to even discuss it with you. I could show you 100% irrefutable proof and you would still argue on the smallest of inconsistencies.

Apparently, completely within her rights

Rep. Hahn wants probe of marshal’s cellphone destruction


Sharply condemning the deputy U.S. marshal who destroyed the cell phone of a woman taping a law enforcement action in South Gate, Congresswoman Janice Hahn, D-San Pedro, is calling for a Justice Department investigation into the incident.

“As the Congresswoman who represents the residents of South Gate, I was alarmed and upset by the actions of the law enforcement officer captured on the video,” she said in a statement. “My constituent Beatriz Paez was exercising her constitutional rights when she filmed what she saw in her neighborhood,”

The deputy marshal was part of a task force also including the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. A neighbor filmed his attack on the offending cell phone, which he angrily threw to the ground. That YouTube video is reported to have has been viewed more than 760,000 times since Sunday, when the incident occurred.

“I condemn the actions of the U.S. marshal who violently and improperly responded by destroying Ms. Paez’s property, terrifying her and denying her rights” Hahn said.

Hahn called for an investigation by the Justice Department “so the public can have confidence that the marshals will be held accountable, and I want all law enforcement officers to receive training and instructions to respect the rights of citizens to film police activity.

“We must hold all who are sworn to protect and serve accountable and send a clear message that they are not beyond the law,” she said.

Paez plans to file a lawsuit against the agent who grabbed her phone, the two who stood by and watched, and potentially the agencies involved in the operation, her attorney, Colleen Flynn, told the Los Angeles Times.