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Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2015, 11:53 AM
By Nathaly Pesantez - Opposing Views


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In an op-ed published by The Wall Street Journal, Sen. Rand Paul, a Republican presidential candidate for 2016, proposed a 14.5 percent flat tax to personal income and businesses that would make “the economy roar.”

Paul’s “Fair and Flat Tax” plan is in response to what he calls the “incomprehensible” Goliath that has become the IRS. He notes that in a nine-year period, “an average of one ‘fix’ a day” has been made to IRS tax codes.

The 14.5 percent tax would be applied to wages, salaries, dividends, capital gains, rents and interests of individuals. It would also eliminate deductions, save for mortgage and charities. Furthermore, a family of four’s first $50,000 of income will not be taxed, according to the plan.

For businesses, the 14.5 percent tax would apply to all business transactions across all companies, eliminating the almost 40 percent tax placed on small business and the 35 percent tax on larger corporations.

With his tax plan, Paul plans to “blow up the tax code and start over.”

In the op-ed, Paul outlines balanced budget plans that address the potentially worrisome “massive hole in the budget deficit,” calling his tax plan “an economic steroid injection.”

“Because the Fair and Flat Tax rewards work, saving, investment and small business creation, the Tax Foundation estimates that in 10 years it will increase gross domestic product by about 10 percent, and create at least 1.4 million new jobs.”

“My plan would actually reduce the national debt by trillions of dollars over time when combined with my package of spending cuts,” he claimed.

Paul’s tax plan is by far one of the most thorough and comprehensive, according to Bloomberg.

Yahoo Finance Columnist Rick Newman also weighed in on the plan: “It sounds like a great idea, it’s irresistible — blow up the tax code,” he told Yahoo.

Jeremy Hill, managing partner at Old Blackheath, also told Yahoo News that changing tax codes requires a more wholesome evaluation, as $2 trillion is still being removed from the government.

“Where are we going to stop spending,” Hill said. “It’s not a fulsome proposal until you detail the other side of the balance sheet.”

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2015, 04:14 PM
I like the idea, but I think it ultimately rewards the rich more then the middle class. I would like to not have to fill out a tax return that is an inch thick every year.

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2015, 04:35 PM
He would still be allowing for deductions in mortgages, so I think this would be pretty fair. And without any other deductions, it would be hard for the wealthiest to hide things with all kinds of deductions, so I think it would actually be pretty fair.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2015, 05:05 PM
There are some interesting arguments. Though I can see where they would be able to save a ton of money by gutting the IRS, since a flat fee would mean you don't need near the amount of people

http://americablog.com/2015/06/criticism-rands-tax-plan.html

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2015, 05:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4oK3j9sdKY

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2015, 06:14 PM
There are some interesting arguments. Though I can see where they would be able to save a ton of money by gutting the IRS, since a flat fee would mean you don't need near the amount of people

http://americablog.com/2015/06/criticism-rands-tax-plan.html

Not only would they save money by gutting the staff at the IRS, it would also remove all the power the IRS has over people and a simple tax law also means a LOT less ability for fraud.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2015, 06:48 PM
I like the idea, I spend close to $300 filing taxes and its a shit ton of useless paperwork. But, I doubt it would ever happen.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2015, 06:49 PM
Also, I want it to be 10% :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2015, 06:52 PM
Well, the first $50K wouldn't even be taxed under his plan.

deebakes
06-22-2015, 10:41 PM
:wavey: nice try, see you in four years

Loser
06-23-2015, 04:05 AM
I like the idea, but I think it ultimately rewards the rich more then the middle class. I would like to not have to fill out a tax return that is an inch thick every year.

How would it reward the rich?

Why would or should they have to pay more?

14.5% on 10,000,000 is significantly more than 14.5 % on 50,000.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-23-2015, 04:52 PM
How would it reward the rich?

Why would or should they have to pay more?

14.5% on 10,000,000 is significantly more than 14.5 % on 50,000.

People who make money through capital gains would be getting a huge tax cut

Teh One Who Knocks
06-23-2015, 04:56 PM
People who make money through capital gains would be getting a huge tax cut

:-k


The 14.5 percent tax would be applied to wages, salaries, dividends, capital gains, rents and interests of individuals.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-23-2015, 05:13 PM
:-k

Yeah, but currently the "rich" pay something like 35% on capital gains

*edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_the_United_States

http://i.imgur.com/NcC7H0i.png

Teh One Who Knocks
06-23-2015, 05:18 PM
But it gets rid of all other deductions (except mortgages) so they have no way to offset those now with other deductions elsewhere. They will end up paying more in a flat tax that's uniform across the board than they have been paying with the higher capital gains tax coupled with a bazillion different deductions that they can use to offset those taxes owed. I guarantee that anyone wealthy that gets most if not all their income thru capital gains doesn't pay anywhere even close to the effective 35% tax rate.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-23-2015, 05:45 PM
Probably true