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Teh One Who Knocks
12-17-2015, 12:46 PM
By Evan Perez and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN


Washington (CNN)Investigators of the Paris attacks have found evidence they believe shows some of the terrorists used encrypted apps to hide plotting for the attacks, officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN.

This is the first time investigators have made that assertion.

Among the apps officials found used by the terrorists were WhatsApp and Telegram, both of which boast of end-to-end encryption that protects the privacy of their users and are difficult to decrypt.

Previously officials have said they found encrypted apps on cell phones recovered from the crime scenes. But they stopped short of saying they believed the apps were used in plotting the attacks.

The officials didn't say what specific evidence shows the apps were used for preparing the attacks. The apps were used in communications among the terrorists for a period before the attacks, the officials say. What was said in encrypted messages may never be known, the officials said.

The investigation is ongoing and far from complete, as investigators work to gather evidence on all of the people involved in plotting the attacks.

Investigators were able to recover some unencrypted communications on at least one cell phone recovered, perhaps an indication of sloppiness by at least one of the attackers, the officials said.

The attackers also used other methods to cover their tracks, including changing cell phone sim cards in an apparent attempt to evade surveillance.

FBI Director James Comey said Wednesday at a terrorism conference at New York Police Department headquarters that "the use of encryption is at the center of terrorist trade craft."

The evidence of encryption use in the Paris attacks is one reason why some U.S. officials including Comey have increased public discussion about the difficulty investigators are finding with encryption.

Among his concern: the FBI's inability to see what was in 109 messages that a American terrorist exchanged with a known ISIS operative in Syria before a shooting attack of a Prophet Mohammed drawing contest in Garland, Texas.

After more than a year of pushing by the FBI, tech companies have resisted making any changes to their encryption standards to allow compliance with court-ordered warrants. Many tech companies boosted their use of encryption following the information made public by Edward Snowden showing that U.S. surveillance programs had broad access to private communications of Americans and people around the world.

CNN has reached out to Whatsapp for comment and is attempting to reach Telegram.

PorkChopSandwiches
12-17-2015, 04:48 PM
We must BAN encryption for your safety

Teh One Who Knocks
12-17-2015, 04:58 PM
That's what will be coming next

PorkChopSandwiches
12-17-2015, 04:59 PM
Of course it is

HyperV12
12-17-2015, 05:09 PM
We must BAN encryption for your safety


That's what will be coming next


Of course it is

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redred
12-17-2015, 05:37 PM
I thought it was the playstation network they were sending messages over

PorkChopSandwiches
12-17-2015, 05:38 PM
Ban playstation

Goofy
12-17-2015, 06:25 PM
Ban networks!

PorkChopSandwiches
12-17-2015, 06:47 PM
Ban carrier pigeons

Goofy
12-17-2015, 07:00 PM
Ban banners!

HyperV12
12-17-2015, 07:03 PM
Ban ban ban it's the autobahn

Goofy
12-17-2015, 07:12 PM
Ban Jo's

Hikari Kisugi
12-17-2015, 07:16 PM
Given that it is whatapp and half the fucking world uses it, and they are likely writing in code and in Arabic at the same fucking time, banning encryption isn't going to help.
The lengths these fuckers are going to go to, to ban something that won't fucking help at all, because the buzz words buy political sway.

Ban oxygen, the entire solution in one easy step, give it 3 minutes post ban and the problems are over...

Hal-9000
12-17-2015, 07:22 PM
So what's the answer? They're using tech that can be 'opened' with a court warrant, yet people are crying (and being sarcastic..) about their rights.

If it can prevent the loss of life, is giving the government the ability to look at your private conversations with your wife a horrible thing?

HyperV12
12-17-2015, 07:59 PM
Not the wife's ones I'm worried about. :huh:

Hal-9000
12-17-2015, 08:04 PM
It's hard for me to come up with a counter example because I don't encrypt anything or have the need to do that.

We have to deduce that once a court warrant to 'unencrypt' communications is being issued, the law enforcement entity already has some sort of reasoning behind the warrant.