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Deepsepia
06-11-2011, 03:22 AM
they're more like 'armored cars' -- they're on truck chassis and run on wheels, but still

http://picload.org/image/ldoacp/narcotank.jpg



For the drug cartel boss who has everything, the latest piece of military hardware is the “narco tank.”

Today’s competitive crime mafias in Mexico are no longer satisfied with bazookas, rocket-propelled grenades or land mines. The Mexican military has discovered that gangsters south of Texas are building armored assault vehicles, with gun turrets, inch-thick armor plates, firing ports and bulletproof glass.

More than 35,000 Mexicans have died in four years of drug violence, and the fighting between the rival Gulf and Zeta cartels, and with the military units that chase them, has been especially vicious in the border cities and farm towns of the northern state of Tamaulipas. Just two days ago, two mutilated bodies were left hanging from a pedestrian bridge in Monterrey.

“Organized crime has increased its firepower to move personnel and mount counterattacks against the army,” said Alberto Islas, a security adviser in Mexico. “This is the consolidation of an urban guerrilla war scenario.”

The Mexican media and military call the assault vehicles “monstruos,” monster trucks. In Mexico, their appearance on the Internet has gone viral. On the front page of Reforma, a national daily newspaper, a photograph Monday of a monster truck was accompanied by the headline: “And this doesn’t look like a war?”

The Mexican army announced Sunday night that a military convoy on routine patrol raided a warehouse in Camargo, Tamaulipas, across the border from Rio Grande City, Tex., and seized two dump trucks that had been rigged with steel plates to protect gunmen.

The monsters look like a cross between a handmade assault vehicle used by a Somali warlord and something out of a post-apocalyptic “Mad Max” movie. Complete with battering rams.

The assault vehicles have appeared in several confrontations with Mexican authorities. In the western state of Jalisco, soldiers confronted one of the beasts in May and disabled it by shooting out its tires. The trucks have not been seen in the cities and remain mostly a chilling curiosity.

The popular and lurid “narco blog” Web site said the armored truck could do 60 mph and dump — James Bond style — tire-popping nails or oil slicks to slow down its pursuers.

“These behemoths indicate the ingenuity of the cartels in configuring weapons that are extremely effective in urban warfare,” said George Grayson, a professor at the College of William and Mary and a specialist in Mexico’s drug war.

The cartels are locked in a kind of arms race involving technology and techniques to keep one step ahead of authorities — and one another.

Last year authorities found an elaborate tunnel stretching more than 2,200 feet, complete with train tracks and ventilation, that was used to move marijuana between a house in the Mexican city of Tijuana and a warehouse in Otay Mesa, Calif.

On the high seas, maritime forces have intercepted dozens of “narco-submarines” hauling multi-ton loads of cocaine north. The semi-submersibles travel very low in the water to avoid detection.

With growing frequency, U.S. guards have spotted ultralight aircraft barnstorming over the border fences to drop 200-pound loads of pot in fields for waiting pickup trucks that flash their high beams or create a makeshift drop zone out of light sticks. According to U.S. officials, there have been more than 300 ultralight incursions into the United States in the past 18 months.

U.S. and Mexican border agents have found ramps, tunnels, and even a catapult that was used to lob drugs over the border fence between Mexico and Arizona.

Narco tanks might look odd, but they are further proof of a serious and deadly arms race among cartels.

Mexican soldiers last week discovered a major arsenal of weapons and ammunition in an underground bunker, probably buried by the Zeta crime organization.

The cache of 150 rifles, pistols and shotguns, 92,000 rounds of ammunition, four mortar shells and two rocket-propelled grenades was discovered at a ranch in the northern state of Coahuila, which borders the United States.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/mexican-cartels-now-using-tanks/2011/06/06/AGacrALH_story.html

Godfather
06-11-2011, 03:33 AM
Wow. War's already over anyways... for the police it's the bribe or the bullet now.

I'll never go there again, and I'd beg friends/family not to go there just for cheap tequila.

In fact, I tried to stop my aunt and uncle and they went anyways just a few weeks ago. There were just about robbed by the police, who pulled them over for nothing and tried to take them down a dirt road while they were driving to the airport - there was a truck full of men down the road which my aunt saw and warned my uncle about. My uncle just gave the cop the money he had and drove off and were ok. Thank God... too many Canadians have been killed already. Lawless place.

God help that country... what a mess. And it doesn't even get press because reporters just die there and their murders are never solved. (Think it ranked 4th worst place for unsolved murders of reporters in the world, up there with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc)

deebakes
06-11-2011, 05:23 AM
viva mexico! :mexico:

Wyeast
06-11-2011, 02:36 PM
B.A. Baracus approves. :lol:

Arkady Renko
06-14-2011, 10:14 AM
I guess it's time for the mexican cops to buy Apache choppers now.

Muddy
06-14-2011, 12:29 PM
Cool... Those will be easy targets for us when we come in there and put this shit to rest...

lost in melb.
06-14-2011, 01:35 PM
THis isn't about drugs...

Arkady Renko
06-14-2011, 01:53 PM
Cool... Those will be easy targets for us when we come in there and put this shit to rest...

uh-huh, like Afghanistan, only ten times worse...


THis isn't about drugs...

not only, obviously the Cartels are gradually trying to subvert the mexican state as a whole and take control over the entire economy like the MAfia did in parts of Italy. But just as obviously drugs are their #1 cash cow. Neither weapons, nor whores make the profits drugs do.

Muddy
06-14-2011, 02:17 PM
uh-huh, like Afghanistan, only ten times worse...


Yeah ok... :thumbsup:

PorkChopSandwiches
06-14-2011, 02:20 PM
That is exactly what I would expect a mexican "tank" to look like. I think Paco got a F150 and "hooked it up" in his garage

Arkady Renko
06-14-2011, 03:01 PM
Yeah ok... :thumbsup:

think about it, the place is riddled with weapons up to military grade hardware in the hands of the marcotics cartels. There are hundreds of thousands of thugs in these gangs right now, what do you think would happen if the "pinche gringos" came across the Rio Grande to run the place? More than half of the country is made of mountains and jungle and they'd have help from rich players abraod who have no interest in seeing Mexico cleaned up. Do I need to continue? I think brute force won't accomplish anything there. Unless you come up with a magic trcik to make the drug market in the US disappear and somehow stop the flow of new weapons down there, it's going to be like an open wound indefinitely.


That is exactly what I would expect a mexican "tank" to look like. I think Paco got a F150 and "hooked it up" in his garage

It looks very mexican indeed although I can't spot the ground effect wings and the wheels look kinda dull, no light alloy, no polished steel...not very fly.

But wait until they start buying real tanks and APCs from disgruntled soldiers...

AntZ
06-14-2011, 03:50 PM
That is exactly what I would expect a mexican "tank" to look like. I think Paco got a F150 and "hooked it up" in his garage


No shit!

You know how the Mexicans like to ruin their vehicles! :lol:

The other things missing are the chrome naked lady mudflaps, cow stickers for the doors, and about a hundred useless lights!

http://i.imgur.com/5XPGw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DS4OL.jpg

Hal-9000
06-14-2011, 04:05 PM
Wow. War's already over anyways... for the police it's the bribe or the bullet now.

I'll never go there again, and I'd beg friends/family not to go there just for cheap tequila.

In fact, I tried to stop my aunt and uncle and they went anyways just a few weeks ago. There were just about robbed by the police, who pulled them over for nothing and tried to take them down a dirt road while they were driving to the airport - there was a truck full of men down the road which my aunt saw and warned my uncle about. My uncle just gave the cop the money he had and drove off and were ok. Thank God... too many Canadians have been killed already. Lawless place.

God help that country... what a mess. And it doesn't even get press because reporters just die there and their murders are never solved. (Think it ranked 4th worst place for unsolved murders of reporters in the world, up there with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc)

A friend from work went there a few years ago and showed us some lovely pictures.....from his hotel room balcony.There was something going on where he was that brought armed military personal to camp out in the courtyard of his hotel daily.They wouldn't let anyone come or go unless they could provide proof of an airline flight...they did allow some shopping nearby and the odd trip to restaurants of their choosing.The guards claimed it was for everyone's safety.

He took his wife and 2 kids for 10 days and saw the beach twice...said he spent around 4 grand to watch TV in Mexico.

Godfather
06-14-2011, 04:22 PM
Strange. That's a particularly bad story, especially for an older one. I wonder where he was exactly? The closer to the border, the worse it is I understand.

You know... about 3.5 years ago I went to an all-inclusive south of Cancun. Aside from almost getting jacked up when I went into Plia Del Carman for a night of drinking... it was a blast. Best vacation of my life.

Hotel was beautiful, staff was great, felt safe. Spent all day drinking, hanging with pretty ladies, eating great food and swimming in the pool & ocean. If the drug war wasn't so bad I'd go back any day...

But it is. So I won't.

Hal-9000
06-14-2011, 04:59 PM
He had one cool pic..standing on his balcony looking straight down into the courtyard between the two hotel buildings.

You could see 2 guards at each corner of the hotel lot (8 in total) and those dudes were heavily outfitted and armed.
My friend said it was about 90 degrees when he was there and he felt kinda sorry for the dudes dressed in all that gear.

I can't recall where it was but he mentioned it was a small tourist town and there was lots of cartel action there over the years.

Hal-9000
06-14-2011, 05:02 PM
One of our driver's wife comes from Mexico.They both have property and a house down there.This guy has great stories about random packages floating up on the beach and no one picks them up because everyone knows it's 'cartel business' :lol:

I'll ask him where his place is the next time he comes in...it's the 'real Mexico' according to him, they go down there often.