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Teh One Who Knocks
04-12-2016, 12:28 PM
By Michael Allen - Opposing Views


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The Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals recently ruled that police officers can lie when pulling someone over for a traffic stop when they have a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed a different crime.

The case stemmed from the police pulling over Hector Magallon-Lopez on Sept. 28, 2012, and telling him that the stop was for failing to signal properly before changing lanes, notes USA TODAY.

During a search of the car, two pounds of methamphetamine were seized.

Court records said that the real reason for the traffic stop was a Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) wiretap intercept on Sept. 27, 2012, said that two Hispanic males, one who had a ghost and skull arm tattoo, were going to be transporting meth in a "green, black or white" car with Washington plates through Bozeman, Montana, on Sept. 28.

Police set up a surveillance team, which saw a green Volkwagen Passat with Washington state plates that was registered to a Hector Lopez.

During the fake traffic stop, police noticed the tattoo on Magallon-Lopez's arm. The other man in the car was Juan Sanchez, whom the wiretap also mentioned.

Judge Paul Watford, of the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, wrote in his opinion: "That the officer lied about seeing Magallon-Lopez make an illegal lane change does not call into question the legality of the stop."

"The standard for determining whether probable cause or reasonable suspicion exists is an objective one; it does not turn either on the subjective thought processes of the officer or on whether the officer is truthful about the reason for the stop."

Jonathan Turley, a law professor at The George Washington University Law School, wrote on his blog about the ruling: "It is an interesting opinion to come out at a time when Watford was considered for the Court but opposed by due to a view that he was soft of death penalty cases and immigration violations."

"Here he gave the police a resounding win in holding that police can knowingly lie about stops without losing the resulting evidence."

DemonGeminiX
04-12-2016, 12:30 PM
I have no problem with this.

redred
04-12-2016, 12:31 PM
But what about your rights

DemonGeminiX
04-12-2016, 12:39 PM
You don't have the right to not be lied to in this country.

RBP
04-12-2016, 12:39 PM
They had probable cause to stop the vehicle. Lying after the fact is immaterial. I agree with the ruling.

DemonGeminiX
04-12-2016, 12:42 PM
You're right, the lie is completely immaterial to the case in hand... but the fact is people have this unrealistic expectation that the police have to be honest to them all the time, which is not true at all. It never has been.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-12-2016, 12:44 PM
You're right, the lie is completely immaterial to the case in hand... but the fact is people have this unrealistic expectation that the police have to be honest to them all the time, which is not true at all. It never has been.

Like with prostitution stings when the hookers think that if they ask the 'john' if he's a cop that he has to tell them the truth.

DemonGeminiX
04-12-2016, 12:45 PM
Exactly. Prostitution stings, drug busts, etc etc etc... it's all the same. Police may use deception whenever it suits their needs.

fricnjay
04-12-2016, 02:00 PM
I have no problem with the ruling as long as there is probable cause to begin with. If the ruling was to lie about the stop because the officer was basically profiling an individual that would violate the 4th Amendment

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

DemonGeminiX
04-12-2016, 02:05 PM
"Sorry officer, I don't consent to warrantless searches."