EgyptAir flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo disappears from radar

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An EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has disappeared from radar with 66 people on board, the airline says.
The Airbus A320 went missing over the eastern Mediterranean, soon after entering Egyptian airspace.
EgyptAir says it received a distress signal before the plane disappeared from radar.
There were 56 passengers - including three children - seven crew members and three security personnel on board Flight MS804, the airline said.
The airline said the passengers included 30 Egyptians, 15 French citizens, one Briton, two Iraqis, as well as people from Canada, Belgium, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Sudan, Chad and Portugal.

Flight MS804 left Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport at 23:09 local time on Wednesday (21:09 GMT) and was scheduled to arrive in the Egyptian capital soon after 03:00 local time on Thursday.
It was flying at 37,000ft (11,300m) over the eastern Mediterranean when contact was lost, at 02:45 Cairo time (00:45 GMT).
The Greek authorities joined Egyptian armed forces in the search operation.

Earlier an airport official, quoted by Egypt's state-run newspaper al-Ahram, said the last contact with the plane had been 10 minutes before it disappeared - and no distress signal had been sent.
But EgyptAir tweeted (in Arabic) that a distress signal was sent from the plane's emergency devices.
Flightradar24 listed details of the plane's journey on Wednesday which showed it had flown from Asmara, in Eritrea, to Cairo, then on to Tunis, in Tunisia, before heading, via Cairo, to Paris.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36309492

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An EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo made two sharp turns before plunging into the Mediterranean Sea, Greece's defence minister says.
Panos Kammenos said the Airbus A320 had "turned 90 degrees left and a 360-degree turn to the right" and dropped more than 6,700m (20,000ft) before disappearing from radar.
Sixty-six people were on board, most of them from Egypt or France.
A major search is under way in seas south of the Greek island of Karpathos.
Greek and Egyptian armed forces are involved in the effort, and France has offered to send boats and planes.
Egypt's Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Fathi told a news conference it was too early to rule out either terrorism or a technical failure as the reason behind the plane's disappearance.
He said search efforts were concentrating on an area of the Mediterranean near the Greek island of Karpathos, but no wreckage had yet been found.

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And oh ever so curiously, it just so happens to take place right as they transfer from one ATC to another, taking advantage of the gap

=thanks, AWACS, thanks MIC

as usual, who was on the flight that TPTB wanted dead

of course everyone else is going to say "oh, that just a coincidence that it just so happens to have taken place in a radar gap"

yyyyyyyeah.

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The international Phoenix Express 2016 naval exercises will take place May 17 – 27 in the Mediterranean Sea.

This year, Algeria, Egypt, Greece, Italy, Malta, Mauritania, Morocco, Spain, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States, representatives from the NATO Shipping Center, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the EU border management agency Frontex are taking part in the drills.



“U.S. units participating include the dive and rescue salvage ship USNS Grasp (T-ARS 51), and the USS Gravely (DDG 107). Additionally, medical and maritime interdiction operations specialists will assist participating partner nation units during the exercise.”


The USS Gravely is a Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer with the motto “First To Conquer”. “Gravely was sent to patrol the eastern Mediterranean Sea in response to rising rumors of an imminent U.S. military intervention in the Syrian civil war”


UPDATE: EgyptAir Flight MS804 Flew Right Through Phoenix Express 2016 Naval Exercises

https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/egyptair-flight-ms804-flew-right-through-phoenix-express-2016-naval-exercises/

https://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/804-map.jpg


This was an Africom operation with a number of North African military officials taking leadership positions in the drills.

Participants of Phoenix Express have opportunities to enhance expertise in a number of areas: boarding techniques, search-and-rescue operations, medical casualty response, MOC to MOC communication, and maritime domain awareness tools…

A Combined Maritime Operation Center (CMOC), led and comprised of North African navy officers, will form at NMIOTC to manage at-sea operations.

While the exercise is facilitated by the U.S. Navy, senior leaders from North African navies have prominent roles in the exercise. A Moroccan officer will oversee the exercise control group; a Tunisian officer will oversee the CMOC; and an Algerian officer will oversee a five-ship surface action group participating in the at-sea phase. Navy.mil

Seems to me they had a large number of less-than well-trained naval officers from North African nations, calling the shots during the drills.



http://www.militaryspot.com/news/phoenix-express-2016-commences


Again, we don’t know exactly what happened, but with the recent revelation that the plane turned suddenly to the left and then back to the right before it dropped off the radar, it damn sure seems to me at least a possibility that someone on that plane was taking evasive maneuvers in an attempt to avoid something closing in on them.

The fact that they also just happened to be in the middle of a joint naval training op with a bunch of under-trained African officers at the helm makes me wonder if event is hard to figure out as some are trying to make it.

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twa 800, anyone?

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:lol: yeah mussa been dim terris's, its not like we have photos of it being attacked like in ukraine....oh wait, ya didnt believe that one either :lol: we'll just have to wait for the domestic-only FBI to tell us what happened....oh, wait :lol:

if you dont care one way or the other, why poke fun at those who take a look at what everyone's reports have to say on the matter? or do you believe what the government wrote about TWA 800 too, and dont accept that our training operations shot that thing down?

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EgyptAir: Crashed flight MS804 'did not swerve'

An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before disappearing, an Egyptian official says.
The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished from radar early on Thursday.
Greece's defence minister said the plane turned 90 degrees left and then did a 360-degree turn towards the right before plummeting.
But a senior Egyptian aviation official said there was no unusual movement.
Ehab Azmy, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, told the Associated Press that the plane had been flying at its normal height of 37,000ft (11,280m) before dropping off the radar. Some debris has since been found.
"That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about the aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar," he said.
EgyptAir has not yet officially commented on the plane's final movements, and the reason for the discrepancy between the Greek and Egyptian official's accounts of the plane crash is not clear.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36365256

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FOX News and The Associated Press


The condition of human remains recovered from the crash site of EgyptAir Flight 804 suggests an explosion brought the plane down, a senior Egyptian forensic official told the Associated Press on Tuesday.

The official, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity, claimed to have personally examined the remains of some of the plane's 66 passengers and crew at a Cairo morgue. He said that all 80 pieces brought to Cairo so far are small and that "there isn't even a whole body part, like an arm or a head."

The official added that "the logical explanation is that it was an explosion", but "I cannot say what caused the blast."

Flight 804, an Airbus A320, crashed into the eastern Mediterranean Sea early Thursday morning near the end of a fight from Paris to Cairo. Egyptian authorities said they believe terrorism is a more likely explanation than equipment failure, but no hard evidence of either has emerged.

An independent Cairo daily, al-Watan, quoted an unnamed forensics official in its Tuesday edition as saying the plane blew up in midair but that it has yet to be determined whether the blast was caused by the an explosive device or something else. The official further said the remains retrieved so far are "no larger than the size of a hand."

France's aviation accident investigation agency would not comment on anything involving the bodies or say whether any information has surfaced in the investigation to indicate an explosion.

In a search for clues, family members of the victims arrived Tuesday at the Cairo morgue forensics' department to give DNA samples to help identify the remains of their kin, a security official said. The official also spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to reporters.

An international effort to hunt for the plane's cockpit voice and data recorder resumed Tuesday. Ships and planes from Britain, Cyprus, France, Greece and the United States are taking part in the search.

The search area is roughly halfway between Egypt's coastal city of Alexandria and the Greek island of Crete, where the water is 8,000 to 10,000 feet deep.

The head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, Ehab Azmy told The Associated Press Monday that the plane did not swerve or lose altitude before it disappeared off radar, challenging an earlier account by Greece's defense minister.

Azmy, head of the National Air Navigation Services Company, said that in the minutes before the plane disappeared it was flying at its normal altitude of 37,000 feet, according to the radar reading. "That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about the aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar," he added.

"There was no turning to the right or left, and it was fine when it entered Egypt's FIR (flight information region), which took nearly a minute or two before it disappeared," Azmy said.

According to Greece's defense minister Panos Kammenos the plane swerved wildly and dropped to 10,000 feet before it fell off radar.

Greek civil aviation authorities said all appeared fine with the flight until air traffic controllers were to hand it over to their Egyptian counterparts. The pilot did not respond to their calls, and then the plane vanished from radars.

It was not immediately possible to explain the discrepancy between the Greek and Egyptian accounts of the air disaster.

The official website of the Egyptian Aircraft Accident Investigation Directorate, which is affiliated with the Ministry of Civil Aviation, gave details of a 2013 incident in which the plane in question had to make an emergency landing.

It said that the EgyptAir A320 GCC took off from Cairo airport heading to Istanbul at 2:53 and that when it reached an altitude of 24,000 feet the pilot noticed that one engine had overheated. A warning message appeared on the screen reading, "engine number 1 stall." After checking on best measures to take, the pilot headed back to Cairo airport where a maintenance engineer inspected the engine, disconnected it, and sent it to be repaired.

There were no injuries, no fire, and no damage to the plane, the report read, adding that the engine had a technical problem.

The report is one of over 60 reports classified as incidents, serious incidents and accidents that took place between 2011 and 2014. Among them, 20 involved A320 Airbus planes, the highest among any other aircraft.

Experts contacted by AP said that while an overheated engine is not a common problem, it is unlikely to cause a crash.

David Learmount, a widely respected aviation expert and editor of the authoritative Flightglobal magazine, said, "engine overheat is rare but it happens."

He said that the pilot can shut down the engine and aircrafts can operate with a single engine.

"I don't think engine overheat alone has ever caused an aircraft to crash. An engine fire could cause a crash but has not done so in the modern aviation era," he added.

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EgyptAir: Crashed flight MS804 'did not swerve'

An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before disappearing, an Egyptian official says.
The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished from radar early on Thursday.
Greece's defence minister said the plane turned 90 degrees left and then did a 360-degree turn towards the right before plummeting.
But a senior Egyptian aviation official said there was no unusual movement.
Ehab Azmy, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, told the Associated Press that the plane had been flying at its normal height of 37,000ft (11,280m) before dropping off the radar. Some debris has since been found.
"That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about the aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar," he said.
EgyptAir has not yet officially commented on the plane's final movements, and the reason for the discrepancy between the Greek and Egyptian official's accounts of the plane crash is not clear.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36365256

:lol: greece wasnt participating in the war games, egyptians were....which one is more likely to tell the truth

no mention of what weapons were being tested either

TWA 800 all over again

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:lol: keep tellin yerself that, red

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http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950302000466

Al-Mesri al-Youm newspaper wrote that in its report of the plane's crash, Greece hasn’t mentioned Israeli warplanes' wargames in the Southern parts of Crete Island which was revealed earlier this month by Tel Aviv, adding that the maneuvers had started one night before the Egyptian plane's crash.

It added that the exercises are staged with the goal of training the Israeli air force pilots using Greece's airspace which is adjacent to Egypt and Libya.

According to the report, Israel started the maneuvers on May 18 and they will last until next January.

Egypt’s Civil Aviation Ministry confirmed in a statement on May 19 that A320 passenger jet has crashed.

Earlier, the ministry had said that an SOS message was sent out from the missing jet.

"The military received an SOS message from the plane emergency devices," it said.

There were 56 passengers from 12 countries and 10 crew members onboard.

The plane was expected to land in the Egyptian capital at 3:05 a.m. local time. The jet disappeared from radars some 280 kilometers from the Egyptian coast.

The military received an SOS message from the plane’s emergency devices at 04:26 a.m. local time (0226 GMT).

This is the second major incident with Egypt’s flag carrier airline this year.

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Here is the telemetry:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received

Ok, so look at the time frame here - it spans 3 minutes. And nowhere in that 3 minutes is there the code for cabin de-pressurization. So that alone totally rules out any bomb or missile strike. It also rules out any possibility of the plane breaking up. And there is a lot more than that said by those few lines of telemetry. The telemetry irrefutably states that no matter what, the pilots had 3 minutes to radio out about any trouble. Trouble that did not destroy the airplane. If it did destroy the airplane, the cabin pressure code would have been sent. Also stuff like "oxygen mask deployment" would have been sent. And if the radio or transponder had a power outage, a message for that would have been sent. Here is the kicker (referred to in item 2 below) - towards the end, the last two messages are for flight control computer failures. Now why would that be?


Let me tell you two scenarios the MSM will never state that actually make sense -

Item 1: When the plane was electronically hijacked, the hijacking procedure generated errors. I'd give this scenario a possibility of 3 out of 10. Here is what I really think happened:

Item 2: During the handover to Egypt air control, the pilots suddenly had the plane act up and start making turns, realized they could not call the tower, figured out they were remote hijacked, and started ripping wires out of some of the avionics in the raw hope they'd rip the right ones to get control back. Perhaps they eventually ripped the correct wires, thus necessitating a shoot down, and if that be the case, debris might be found, but we are definitely at least talking about the demise of a fully intact plane that had communications externally cut via jamming.

The smoke alarm and window sensor errors were probably generated by random wires getting ripped as the pilots attempted to get control back. Finally they started bashing avionics CPU's to death, which generated the last two errors. The plane had 7, losing two would not do anything bad. Then telemetry cut due to jamming from the hijackers. The plane was then either successfully recovered by the pilots and subsequently shot down, or the plane landed in Israel, PERIOD. That is the ONLY THING the telemetry adds up to. Lack of radio communications and a "dead" transponder despite no power loss, and full cabin pressure prove it. It can't possibly have been a bomb if there was no loss of cabin pressure, and if there was a fire, the pilots would have called out and said it, because telemetry proves they had power to the radio.

CNN is all over the map with the lies. Now CNN is saying the plane was 180 miles out, to explain the slow emergency response. 180 miles is still within range of the most pathetic rescue helicopter. But the plane was NOT 180 miles out. This is because ALL the early reports said the plane vanished 10 minutes before it was supposed to land. An Airbus A320 cruises below 600 mph. That means, with 10 minutes left to land, it could not have been more than 100 miles away from the landing strip, which was definitely not on the ocean. UPDATE: At 1:21 PST on May 21, a search plane element was added to this story by CBS in the past tense, to plug this hole in their story. TOO LATE.

All of it adds up to:

1. The plane had cabin pressure. 2. The pilots had a radio. 3. The transponder had power. 4. Everything went dark from a ground perspective. 5. the plane is completely documented to have had it's nose pointed towards Israel and was still flying when it finally vanished from radar. HELLO FLIGHT 370 Deja Vu! An electronic hijacking attempt by Israel is the ONLY rational option now.


HEY HEY HEY! HERE'S AN UNEXPECTED TREAT! Another web site is getting it right! "Incident Concurrent with NATO naval drill in the Mediterranean. Another element that this incident shares in common with several recent air disasters including MH370 and the destruction of Metrojet Flight 9268 over Egypt seven months ago is that it has taken place during the course of a large US led military drill"




who has the jamming ability? who wrote the code for the A320's electronics? points right at the usa and israel, yet again. 'nuff said.

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