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Teh One Who Knocks
05-26-2016, 11:36 AM
The Associated Press


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WASHINGTON – The government is squandering its technology budget maintaining museum-ready computer systems in critical areas from nuclear weapons to Social Security. They're still using floppy disks at the Pentagon.

In a report released Wednesday, nonpartisan congressional investigators found that about three-fourths of the $80 billion budget goes to keep aging technology running, and the increasing cost is shortchanging modernization.

The White House has been pushing to replace workhorse systems that date back more than 50 years in some cases. But the government is expected to spend $7 billion less on modernization in 2017 than in 2010, said the Government Accountability Office.

"Clearly, there are billions wasted," GAO information technology expert David Powner told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee at a hearing.

Although lawmakers of both parties say they are frustrated, it's unclear whether Congress will act. Part of the problem is finding money to invest in a transition to new systems at agencies across the government.

Among the vintage computing platforms highlighted in the report:

— The Defense Department's Strategic Automated Command and Control System, which is used to send and receive emergency action messages to U.S. nuclear forces. The system is running on a 1970s IBM computing platform, and still uses 8-inch floppy disks to store data. "Replacement parts for the system are difficult to find because they are now obsolete," GAO said. The Pentagon told GAO it is initiating a full replacement and the floppy disks should be gone by the end of next year. The entire upgrade will take longer.

— Treasury's individual and business master files, the authoritative data sources for taxpayer information. The systems are about 56 years old and use an outdated computer language that is difficult to write and maintain. Treasury plans to replace the systems but has no firm dates.

— Social Security systems that are used to determine eligibility and estimate benefits, about 31 years old. Some use a programming language called COBOL, dating to the late 1950s and early 1960s. "Most of the employees who developed these systems are ready to retire and the agency will lose their collective knowledge," the report said. "Training new employees to maintain the older systems takes a lot of time." Social Security has no plans to replace the entire system but is eliminating and upgrading older and costlier components. It is also rehiring retirees who know the technology.

— Medicare's Appeals System, which is only 11 years old, faces challenges keeping up with a growing number of appeals, as well as questions from congressional offices following up on constituent concerns. The report says the agency has general plans to keep updating the system, depending on the availability of funds.

— The Transportation Department's Hazardous Materials Information System, used to track incidents and keep information regulators rely on. The system is about 41 years old, and vendors no longer support some of its software, which can create security risks. The department plans to complete its modernization program in 2018.

GAO says its estimate of at least $80 billion spent on information technology in 2015 is probably low. Not counted were certain Pentagon systems, as well as those run by independent agencies, among them the CIA. Major systems are known as "IT investments" in government jargon.

"Legacy federal IT investments are becoming obsolete," the report concluded. "The federal government runs the risk of continuing to maintain investments that have outlived their effectiveness and are consuming resources that outweigh their benefits."

The White House has been nudging agencies to identify obsolete systems for replacement, but GAO said that clearer, more specific goals and timetables are needed. A starting point could be recent legislation supported by the administration to create a revolving fund of $3 billion for replacing or upgrading older technology.

"This is not a partisan issue," said committee chairman Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who supports modernizing the government's aging systems, but has not committed to any particular legislation.

"We all need to come together on this, on both sides of the aisle," added Chaffetz. "It is a vital part of the infrastructure we need in order to have a fully functional government."

But some Republicans said before they'll agree, they first want concrete evidence that new systems will save money. That could be a difficult test, since government technology projects have a mixed record.

"We seem to be going in a circle," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., the ranking Democrat on the committee.

deebakes
05-26-2016, 11:41 AM
:lolwut:

fricnjay
05-26-2016, 01:18 PM
Wow and I thought my company was in the dark ages. :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-26-2016, 01:32 PM
I can't even remember the last time I saw a 5-1/4" floppy disk :lol:

fricnjay
05-26-2016, 02:05 PM
I can't even remember the last time I saw a 5-1/4" floppy disk :lol:

I do every time I have to pee, but you should really see my hard disk...its huge ;)

:dance:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-26-2016, 02:07 PM
:-s

If it's shaped like a disk, you should probably see a doctor sooner rather than later :-k

FBD
05-26-2016, 02:24 PM
I can't even remember the last time I saw a 5-1/4" floppy disk :lol:

much less an 8" one :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-26-2016, 02:39 PM
much less an 8" one :lol:

Even when I was back in high school, I don't think there were any computers using 8" disks, so I honestly don't think I've ever seen one :lol: We had some TRS-80's running tape drives and the Commodore PET's were running 5-1/4" but that was it

FBD
05-26-2016, 02:45 PM
the 8"s were REALLY old, I think the early ones only held like 128kb on them ffs. its astonishing that any of them are even in actual production.




The first floppy disks, developed in the late 1960s, are 8 inches (200 mm) in diameter;[1] they became commercially available in 1971

Noilly Pratt
05-26-2016, 02:50 PM
One of the first things I was told to flog as a newbie computer salesman was a CP/M machine that had 8" drives. It was a relic even in the 80's.

The big thing was you had to press "CTRL G" or something when you changed floppies or it'd try to read the wrong sector. And it had a "Bernoulli Box" in it (what we know as a hard drive).

Strange Fact -- 5 1/4" floppies were invented the same year I was born.

Oofty Goofty
05-26-2016, 02:58 PM
I've heard it said at it takes about 15 years for the power of a current day super computer to become the power of a desktop PC. With that in mind, each of us is typing more powerful computers than those protecting us from World War III.

DemonGeminiX
05-26-2016, 03:46 PM
I can't even remember the last time I saw a 5-1/4" floppy disk :lol:

I've got an unopened box of them somewhere around here. A friend of mine bought them for me as a joke for my birthday several years back.

Teh One Who Knocks
05-26-2016, 04:02 PM
I've got an unopened box of them somewhere around here. A friend of mine bought them for me as a joke for my birthday several years back.

Put them on eBay :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-26-2016, 04:06 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Maxell-Floppy-10-Pack-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00004Z5EL

Nevermind, they aren't valuable :lol:

Muddy
05-26-2016, 05:07 PM
Maybe they do this so they arent as susceptible to modern day threats..?

PorkChopSandwiches
05-26-2016, 05:19 PM
Maybe they do this so they arent as susceptible to modern day threats..?

Like the internet :lol:

FBD
05-26-2016, 07:14 PM
hardware's old enough that the israelis dont have a stuxnet for it :lol:

Muddy
05-26-2016, 08:07 PM
Cant stuxnet a relay bank..