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Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 11:07 AM
FOX News and The Associated Press


http://i.imgur.com/30hsCk8.jpg

Three people who were arrested when police discovered a weapons cache in a vehicle outside New York City at the Holland Tunnel Tuesday, claim they were on they way to "rescue" a teenage girl involved in drugs, according to officials.

Port Authority Police Department Superintendent Michael A. Fedorko said that Dean Smith, 53, John Cramsey, 50, and Kimberly Arendt, 29, were taken into custody after they were stopped around 7:40 a.m. in Jersey City, N.J.

Cramsey wrote on Smith's Facebook page early Tuesday morning that he was driving to New York to "do an extraction" of a 16-year-old girl from a hotel room in Brooklyn after an issue involving drugs. Smith replied, "I'm there." It was unclear what, if anything, the weapons had to do with their plans.

Cramsey's 20-year-old daughter died from a heroin overdose four months ago Tuesday and he has since attended town hall meetings around the Allentown area to voice his concerns over the drug epidemic, The Morning Call newspaper in Allentown, Pennsylvania, reported.

"This is a plague and we are losing our brightest and most brilliant minds," Cramsey told the newspaper shortly after his daughter was found dead of an overdose with another man inside an Allentown home.
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The trio, from Pennsylvania, initially was stopped by Port Authority Police at a toll plaza for a cracked windshield, authorities said. An officer saw the weapons in plain view on the passenger side of the vehicle.

Officials found multiple weapons -- some loaded -- including rifles and handguns in their vehicle, described by a law enforcement source as a "jacked up SUV." Law enforcement sources told the New York Post that ballistic vests were also found in the SUV.

Fedorko said the weapons found in the vehicle included an AR-15 assault rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and five semi-automatic handguns.

The vehicle, a Dodge truck, also bore the name Higher Ground Tactical, an indoor shooting range and gun dealership in Upper Milford Township, Pa., WNBC-TV reported.

A spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Kelly Langmesser, told Reuters that counter-terrorism agents weren't involved and the case didn't have a "terrorism nexus."

"If it's not terrorism, it's criminal," a source told Fox News.

Drugs were also recovered from the vehicle, which has been cleared from the scene but is still being processed for evidence.

The suspects' final destination was unclear. The Holland Tunnel's New York side is located in Lower Manhattan.

redred
06-22-2016, 11:36 AM
No hiding in that truck :lol:

FBD
06-22-2016, 01:36 PM
weapons cache :lol: a rifle, a shotgun, and a couple handguns is not a "weapons cache"

redred
06-22-2016, 01:45 PM
cache
kaʃ/Submit
noun
1.
a collection of items of the same type stored in a hidden or inaccessible place.
"an arms cache"
synonyms: hoard, store, stockpile, stock, supply, collection, accumulation, reserve, fund; More
verb
1.
store away in hiding or for future use.
"he decided that they must cache their weapons"



they were hidden in that really bright truck :lol:

fricnjay
06-22-2016, 01:53 PM
So what did they do wrong? :-s

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 01:54 PM
So what did they do wrong? :-s

Pretty sure that NYC has pretty strict gun control laws and that just possessing those inside the city is probably illegal.

redred
06-22-2016, 01:54 PM
Drugs were also recovered from the vehicle

:-k

DemonGeminiX
06-22-2016, 01:58 PM
Pretty sure that NYC has pretty strict gun control laws and that just possessing those inside the city is probably illegal.

Yeah, NYC is a gestapo state. Plus, the drugs.

FBD
06-22-2016, 02:00 PM
Pretty sure that NYC has pretty strict gun control laws and that just possessing those inside the city is probably illegal.
except, they never made it in to new york city ;) supposedly they were stopped for a cracked windshield, what kind of crap is that.....oh wait now I remember, its the "i feel like pulling this motherfucker over so let me make up any excuse off the top of my head"

fricnjay
06-22-2016, 02:01 PM
In Texas the truck would have never been searched. :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 02:05 PM
In Texas the truck would have never been searched. :-k

It's not a search if you have the crap in plain sight ffs :lol:

fricnjay
06-22-2016, 02:07 PM
It's not a search if you have the crap in plain sight ffs :lol:

Even in plain site doesn't matter. Having guns in plain site with or without a permit in your car is not a crime of any sort in Texas.

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 02:08 PM
except, they never made it in to new york city ;) supposedly they were stopped for a cracked windshield, what kind of crap is that.....oh wait now I remember, its the "i feel like pulling this motherfucker over so let me make up any excuse off the top of my head"

They were stopped at the Holland Tunnel, one of the entrances to NYC and I believe the tunnel is run by the City of New York, so for all intents and purposes, they were in NYC.

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 02:09 PM
Even in plain site doesn't matter. Having guns in plain site with or without a permit in your car is not a crime of any sort in Texas.

:facepalm:

Possessing the guns in NYC is against the law, therefore, having them in plain sight doesn't constitute a search and the police were able to see something illegal in plain view.

DemonGeminiX
06-22-2016, 02:09 PM
Even in plain site doesn't matter. Having guns in plain site with or without a permit in your car is not a crime of any sort in Texas.

They weren't in Texas. ;)

fricnjay
06-22-2016, 02:12 PM
:facepalm:

Possessing the guns in NYC is against the law, therefore, having them in plain sight doesn't constitute a search and the police were able to see something illegal in plain view.

I understand its NY but in contrast in Texas I'm just saying no crime at that point had been committed. Hell I've been pulled over going shooting with friends and we had 4 times the weaponry they had and got a warning for speeding. And we where actually speeding. Guns and ammo in plain site in the back seat. Officer asked our plans and let us go. That's it no biggy.

DemonGeminiX
06-22-2016, 02:17 PM
Don't ever go to NJ, NY, Maryland, California, Illinois, DC, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and/or Connecticut. They're officially the worst states in the union for gun freedoms.

FBD
06-22-2016, 02:22 PM
They were stopped at the Holland Tunnel, one of the entrances to NYC and I believe the tunnel is run by the City of New York, so for all intents and purposes, they were in NYC.

:lol: if you want to go ahead and rationalize the police state like that...

-what happened to sorry officer I dont consent to searches
and
-you know they were white since the race wasnt mentioned

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 02:26 PM
:lol: if you want to go ahead and rationalize the police state like that...

-what happened to sorry officer I dont consent to searches
and
-you know they were white since the race wasnt mentioned

What part of IN PLAIN SIGHT do you not understand? :shakehead:

DemonGeminiX
06-22-2016, 02:33 PM
:lol:

FBD
06-22-2016, 02:42 PM
http://i.imgur.com/30hsCk8.jpg
:-k
what'd they have the guns in the front seat with them? this thing is so decal'd up, lifted

redred
06-22-2016, 02:46 PM
e supposedly they were stopped for a cracked windshield, what kind of crap is that.....oh wait now I remember, its the "i feel like pulling this motherfucker over so let me make up any excuse off the top of my head"


not saying it was like this
http://i.imgur.com/ExSiMyu.jpg

but would that be legal to drive like in the states ? it wouldn't be over here

redred
06-22-2016, 02:47 PM
http://i.imgur.com/30hsCk8.jpg
:-k
what'd they have the guns in the front seat with them? this thing is so decal'd up, lifted

maybe they strapped it to the front :lol: with a bright sticker saying gun

fricnjay
06-22-2016, 02:54 PM
http://i.imgur.com/30hsCk8.jpg
:-k
what'd they have the guns in the front seat with them? this thing is so decal'd up, lifted

And I dont see a "cracked" windshield...:-k

redred
06-22-2016, 02:56 PM
from that picture no you are right

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 03:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xoJszVX.jpg

Bigger picture, but still hard to see where, if any, crack exists

redred
06-22-2016, 03:05 PM
maybe they pulled it because it just looked shit

fricnjay
06-22-2016, 03:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xoJszVX.jpg

Bigger picture, but still hard to see where, if any, crack exists

At this size definitely makes the initial stop suspect. If we cant see it here how could a cop driving by? :dunno:

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2016, 03:12 PM
At this size definitely makes the initial stop suspect. If we cant see it here how could a cop driving by? :dunno:

It wasn't a cop driving buy, it was at the toll booth at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel...but yes, if it is a crack, it's awful tiny. Usually you don't get stopped for a crack unless it's super huge or in the driver's line of sight.

FBD
06-22-2016, 04:29 PM
so we can all see that the whole crack in the windshield excuse was complete bullshit

redred
06-22-2016, 04:40 PM
no we can't

FBD
06-22-2016, 04:46 PM
:hand: I wasnt talking about you, red, you wouldnt notice a fuggin giraffe on your front lawn unless it was on the news

redred
06-22-2016, 04:49 PM
i would notice a front lawn as i don't have one :nana:

also

http://i.imgur.com/3rx4OZ2.jpg

maybe a crack and it would be in the drivers sight , but then we're all trying to 2nd guess that one unclear picture

FBD
06-22-2016, 07:05 PM
you make me feel like I'm talking to that bloke from idiot abroad :lol:

redred
06-22-2016, 07:20 PM
:tup:

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2016, 07:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/l3s2jPj.jpg

redred
06-22-2016, 07:26 PM
:lol: come to think of it I don't think I have

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2016, 07:44 PM
:lol:

redred
06-22-2016, 07:45 PM
I will keep a better eye out from now on :lol:

FBD
06-23-2016, 12:38 PM
:lol: :dance: