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Teh One Who Knocks
07-20-2016, 10:41 AM
FOX News


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Last week’s failed coup attempt left Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan in such a strong position that many Turks and others believe he himself engineered it – or at the very least knew of it and let it play out to his advantage.

Supporters of the “staged coup” theory say there’s plenty of circumstantial evidence to support their claim, and have busily discussed and debated the topic in social media – which has a huge engagement rate in Turkey – and other platforms.

Among the questions being asked are why coup plotters didn’t execute the most basic steps in seizing power, like securing Erdogan and other top officials. Not a single member of his cabinet and inner-circle AKP party leadership was detained. Nor did coup plotters effectively take control of TV, radio and internet outlets. The government TRT station and CNN Turk were for a time occupied by alleged coup plotters, who quickly retreated as the putsch fell apart.

As a result, Erdogan and a slew of his key ministers were able to make statements and appeals to loyalists on television in the chaotic early hours Friday night. Any reasonably organized coup attempt – and Turkey has a significant history of successful military coups over the years - would have made cutting off such communication a top priority, according to both advocates and deniers of the “staged coup” theory.

Coup plotters also failed to secure most airports and other transportation hubs, didn’t occupy or attack Erdogan’s $600 million presidential palace, and failed to intercept his plane before, during or after he flew from one of the country’s busiest and most accessible airports back to Istanbul. This despite the supposed active participation of top generals in Turkey’s Air Force, which maintains a fleet of F-16 aircraft easily capable of tracking, intercepting or – if it came to it – shooting down Erdogan’s plane.

Even the aggressive actions that were allegedly taken by the coup plotters – attacking the mostly empty parliament building in Ankara, occupying Ataturk International Airport but conveniently leaving in time for Erdogan to land his plane there – have raised much suspicion among the president’s many opponents.

The man Erdogan claimed to be the mastermind of the coup, U.S.-based cleric Fetullah Gulen, issued a statement strongly denying any role in the action, and said what many Turks were already expressing from the moment the news broke.

“There is a possibility that it could be a staged coup,” Gulen told reporters from his Pennsylvania compound on Saturday.

In a televised interview after regaining power, Erdogan angrily denied staging a coup attempt, and noted two of his bodyguards were killed when he narrowly escaped the Mediterranean villa where he was vacationing. The attack on the villa came only after he had left for the airport – even though it was publicly known exactly where he was staying – which has only fueled more skepticism about his role in the plot.

“That’s misinformation,” Erdogan said. “How can you plan such a thing? How can you plan for so many civilians to lose their lives – 208 civilians dying, 1,500 people lying on the ground trying to block tanks – how can you do that?”

Others argue there are good reasons to believe the failed coup was exactly what Erdogan claimed it was: an effort by a small faction within the military to seize power. While Erdogan’s increasing authoritarianism has not lessened his Islamist religious base, Turkish secularists are still strongly represented in the military.

Others believe the most plausible scenario may lie between the two theories: The attempted coup may have begun as an independent and organic movement, but in the hours or days before it was executed Erdogan was tipped off. He then allegedly allowed it to unfold in order to draw out his enemies.

Indeed, the Turkish military acknowledged Tuesday it had received intelligence some six hours in advance that a rogue element planned to mount a coup.

In the initial uncertain hours, it appeared to many the coup had succeeded. The plotters announced the military had taken control of the government and, with Erdogan on vacation in the seaside village of Marmaris, emboldened collaborators and sympathizers may have revealed themselves.

Whether the coup attempt was authentic, staged or tolerated, Erdogan has taken full advantage. On Tuesday, the government escalated its crackdown on people it claims have ties to Gulen, firing nearly 24,000 teachers and Interior Ministry workers, and demanding the resignations of another 1,577 university deans.

The latest purge was in addition to the roughly 9,000 people who have been detained by the government, including police, judges, prosecutors, religious figures and others.

Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency says courts have also ordered 85 generals and admirals jailed pending trial over their roles in the coup attempt.

“You cannot deny how strong Erdogan is,” said a 38-year-old Istanbul-based professor, speaking under the condition of anonymity. “He has incredible control over almost all state institutions. So, the idea that Erdogan might have looked the other way while a small faction within the army planned this coup would not at all surprise me.

“After all, look at the outcome; he is perhaps more popular than he has ever been, he is able to implement his own agenda, run the show as he likes, and [do not be] surprised to see a presidential system, or at least a referendum for it, announcement coming up soon,” he added.

FBD
07-20-2016, 12:30 PM
so basically, Erdogan is in Saddam's position in the 1980s, and one day it'll get trotted out how brutal of a dictator he was and now he needs to be killed since the timing is right to serve neocon imperial goals :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-20-2016, 02:12 PM
Agence France Presse


Istanbul (AFP) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's spokesman on Tuesday hit out at claims that the attempted coup was orchestrated to strengthen his position.

"It is really nonsensical. This is no different really than claiming 9/11 was orchestrated by the United States -- and that the Paris and Nice attacks were orchestrated by the French government," Ibrahim Kalin told foreign reporters.

Turkey has accused Erdogan's archfoe Fethullah Gulen of organising the coup from exile in the United States, but the Islamic cleric retorted the president himself may have staged it.

Ankara said Tuesday it was sending files to the United States to back its demand for the extradition of the 75-year-old, who wields great influence in Turkey through supporters in the media and judiciary as well as a private school network.

Turkey has long sought his return from the US to face trial at home over accusations of running a "terrorist organisation" seeking to overthrow Erdogan, his erstwhile ally.

"We'd like to see the US authorities take action on this, we would like to see cooperation," Kalin said.

"If they insist on keeping him there for whatever reasons a lot of people here will think he is protected by the United States."

Asked about an allegation the Americans were behind Friday's events, he said: "One of our ministers made a comment at the heat of the event when the emotions were high... you have to understand the psychology here."

He said coup plotters will be tried "on charges of treason and attempt to change the constitutional order illegally."

Kalin also defended the vast number of detentions after the coup, saying suspects would be tried on charges of "treason and attempting to change the constitutional order illegally".

"It is only natural that the numbers will be high because they were involved in a criminal activity. Some were released after they were cleared of suspicion... The legal process will continue."

FBD
07-20-2016, 02:51 PM
"It is really nonsensical. This is no different really than claiming 9/11 was orchestrated by the United States -- and that the Paris and Nice attacks were orchestrated by the French government," Ibrahim Kalin told foreign reporters.

Sorry Ibrahim, its the only sensical conclusion :lol:

Godfather
07-21-2016, 05:00 PM
Ahh this one just keeps getting better.

State of Emergency declared by Ergodan, no intellectuals allowed to leave the country, UN Human Rights suspended in the country, 2600 University Deans being forced to resign. Just messed up. And there is SO much evidence this was staged. Wikileaks released a bunch of shit the other day.

Now the Turkish people need a real coup... and either way we should suspend or boot them from NATO until they figure it out.

FBD
07-21-2016, 07:51 PM
nato should be altogether disbanded