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lost in melb.
08-07-2016, 01:35 AM
It would be tempting to say this was just another episode in the bizarre life of the Republican presidential nominee. But it was far worse

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hat have you accomplished this week? Whatever it is, you don’t come close to Donald Trump.

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Trump has demolished his campaign, his brand and his party. He has squandered his vice-presidential pick and his convention, and several battleground states along with them. He picked several fights he could not win, and showed no sign of learning from his own failure.

It would be tempting to say this was just another week in the bizarre life of the Republican presidential nominee.

But it wasn’t. This week was a decisive turning point in the 2016 election, and there have been remarkably few of them in an campaign that is supposedly volatile.

In fact, the volatility and unpredictability of this election doesn’t come from polls or votes, but from the character of a single man: Donald J Trump. The real surprise of 2016 is how constant this contest has been.

Trump led the primary polls from the beginning and never lost his lead. He only surprised the chattering classes by defying their certainty that he would lose. That certainty was founded on nothing related to polling data, but rather their sheer disgust and disbelief with Trump’s politics.

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Having defied expectations once, Trump is now supposed to be able to defy polling gravity forever more. That would be a strange conclusion to draw from the primaries, but here we are.

Echoing the Trump campaign, the Fox News anchor Greta van Susteren distilled this position on Thursday, as she quizzed the poll-obsessed Karl Rove. “I see the rallies and they’re big, and I see the poll numbers, and he’s slipping in the polls,” she said. “I’m not so sure how accurate these polls are.”

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Rove – the man who challenged the Fox News election desk as it called the 2012 election for Obama – was incredulous. “You’re assuming first of all, the polls are not reliable – all of them – and second of all, that a better test of this is the size of the crowds he gets at his rallies, which are big and enthusiastic,” he explained. “But I would remind you in the closing days in the 1984 presidential campaign, Walter Mondale was drawing large and enthusiastic rallies as he went on to narrowly win one state.”

To put it delicately, this is a difficult moment in the education of Donald Trump. For a candidate who leads every stump speech bragging about his poll numbers, there is less and less material every day. Ergo the polls – just like the media, Clinton and democracy itself – must be crooked.

It would be nice to call this a logical fallacy, but those are two words that should never be placed within physical proximity of Donald J Trump.

“I see some great polls,” he told a rally in Virginia on Tuesday. “I see one from the Los Angeles Times, just came out, where we’re ahead by four or five points. I see one from CNN where we’re down. I think these polls, I don’t know. There’s something about these polls. There’s something phony.”

That was the day after he told voters there was an even bigger problem with this confounding election. “I’m afraid the election’s going to be rigged,” he told voters in Ohio. “I have to be honest.”

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Those who live in the reality-based world are having an easier time understanding Trump’s challenges. The simpler explanation is that he is losing because of his own performance and personality. As the saying goes, campaigns are like fish: they rot from the head down. This one stinks already and it’s only the start of August.

Barack Obama put it more diplomatically at his pre-vacation press conference. “If Mr Trump is up 10 or 15 points on election day and he ends up losing, then, you know, maybe he can raise some questions,” Obama ventured. “That doesn’t seem to be the case at the moment.”

No, it doesn’t. In any campaign cycle, there are periods when the dynamic turns decisively in one direction. While the dynamic can shift more than once, as the cycle runs its course there are fewer and fewer opportunities to do so.
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George HW Bush engineered one of those shifts after his 1988 convention, turning a 17-point deficit into an eight-point lead, backed up by devastating TV ads. Bill Clinton enjoyed one of those shifts in 1992 when Ross Perot initially dropped out of the race, and Clinton never really lost his lead again.

In 2004, John Kerry staged a decent convention and held a narrow lead, but was soon destroyed by a better Republican convention and the swift-boat attacks that followed. Four years later, Barack Obama didn’t bury John McCain until the financial collapse that followed both conventions.

How does the past week of 2016 compare to those history-making moments in recent presidential history? Pretty favorably.

Trump miserably misjudged his dispute with the gold star parents of a fallen American soldier, Humayun Khan, who was Muslim. He drove a wedge between himself and the few Republican leaders who publicly tolerated his nomination. And he seriously undermined his own brand of patriotic nationalism, as well as his party’s reputation for strength on national security.

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The lasting impact of Trump’s disastrous week came from its echoes of the Democratic convention. Each round of dispute with the Khan family only served to reinforce the criticism that he had sacrificed nothing. Each bone-headed response underscored Hillary Clinton’s attack on his temperament and qualifications to serve as commander-in-chief.



In the middle of his own circular firing squad, Trump decided to shoot at the one unifying Republican who has politely ignored his insanity: House speaker Paul Ryan. Trump’s support for Ryan’s primary opponent was – like the construction of so many hideous Trump Towers – wholly unnecessary.

Ryan’s response was to send out a fundraising email assuming Trump had already blown this election. “If we fail to protect our majority in Congress, we could be handing President Hillary Clinton a blank check,” the fundraiser said, echoing the congressional Republican party’s abandonment of Bob Dole in the closing weeks of the 1996 election.

Of course, these aren’t the closing weeks of the 2016 campaign. Trump could yet turn around his national polling deficit of up to 14 points. He could flip the polls in Florida (down four), Michigan (down nine), Pennsylvania (down 13) and New Hampshire (down 15). He could turn Georgia and Utah back into reliably Republican states again, instead of being dead-heat states.

But Trump only has one shot left to do that: the TV debates that start in another seven weeks. At the same time, history suggests that post-convention polling is remarkably stable stretching all the way into the final days of an election.

It’s going to be a long, hot summer for the orange one.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/05/donald-trump-week-campaign-turning-point-2016-election

lost in melb.
08-07-2016, 01:50 AM
Donald Trump’s week could hardly have gone worse – but his core support remains solid

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2016/aug/06/donald-trump-fans-solid-week-hardly-worse

RBP
08-07-2016, 02:15 AM
But he did endorse Paul Ryan yesterday and the polls have been consistently wrong. Every time Trump has fucked up, there have been articles announcing his demise. The report of my death was an exaggeration.

Too much left to go yet in this bizarre race. In a normal year, this might be meaningful, but not this year. This entire thing could go sideways by election day.

lost in melb.
08-07-2016, 02:27 AM
Exactly. He's only really pissing off the elites (who don't like him, anyhow)

RBP
08-07-2016, 02:53 AM
I am currently truly undecided. I think that the Libertarian candidate, Johnson, needs to make it to the debate stage. Then we can judge.

The shrill, ignorant, and shallow nature of this campaign desperately needs a measured voice to provide contrast. Johnson will either flip the campaign on its head or, at the least, force the rhetoric to get toned down and more focused on issues.

:2cents:

Pony
08-07-2016, 04:41 PM
But he did endorse Paul Ryan yesterday and the polls have been consistently wrong. Every time Trump has fucked up, there have been articles announcing his demise. The report of my death was an exaggeration.

Too much left to go yet in this bizarre race. In a normal year, this might be meaningful, but not this year. This entire thing could go sideways by election day.

I did see one from an independent group not affiliated with any media outlet and was not a biased online poll, They physically called 1000 random people from each state. The results were overwhelmingly in favor of Trump over Hillary. like 75/25.
While I understand that people that still have a landline or are not on the do not call registry are way more likely to be older and conservative the results were still eye opening as to how manipulative and totally biased the poll numbers can be.

Pony
08-07-2016, 04:43 PM
I am currently truly undecided. I think that the Libertarian candidate, Johnson, needs to make it to the debate stage. Then we can judge.

The shrill, ignorant, and shallow nature of this campaign desperately needs a measured voice to provide contrast. Johnson will either flip the campaign on its head or, at the least, force the rhetoric to get toned down and more focused on issues.

:2cents:

I think it would be a great thing to have a third party candidate this time around. I really think that Johnson would pull equal numbers from both parties and not really "give" the election to one side or the other.