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AntZ
06-20-2011, 08:50 PM
German Giant Says US Workers Lack Skills

Financial Times
| 20 Jun 2011 | 02:07 AM ET




A mismatch in the US labour market between the skills of unemployed people and the jobs available is making it hard for some companies to find the right staff despite an unemployment rate of more than 9 percent, one of the country’s largest manufacturing employers has warned.

Eric Spiegel, chief executive in the US for Siemens , the German engineering group, said the problem exposed weaknesses in education and training in the US. Siemens had been forced to use more than 30 recruiters and hire staff from other companies to find the workers it needed for its expansion plans, even amid an unemployment rate of 9.1 percent

“There’s a mismatch between the jobs that are available, at least in our portfolio, and the people that we see out there,” Mr Spiegel told the Financial Times. “There is a shortage (of workers with the right skills.)”

He said Siemens was having to invest in education and training to meet its staffing needs, including apprenticeship programmes of the kind it uses in Germany.

His comments, made before Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, visits a Siemens plant in Ohio on Monday, suggest better education and training could help reduce the persistently high US unemployment rate.

The US labour market does not in general show signs of tightness: average wage growth in the year to the first quarter of 2011 was just 2 percent. Volkswagen , the German carmaker, had 85,000 applicants for 2,000 jobs at its new plant on Chattanooga, Tennessee.

However, a recent survey from Manpower, the employment agency, found that 52 percent of leading US companies reported difficulties in recruiting essential staff, up from 14 percent in 2010.

In manufacturing in particular there is evidence of a mismatch between workforce skills and available jobs: while employment has fallen since January 2009, the number of available job openings has risen from 98,000 to 230,000.

Mr Spiegel’s concerns about skills are shared by many other US business leaders, and were reflected this month in the first recommendations from President Barack Obama’s advisory council on jobs and competitiveness.

Responding to those concerns, the administration this month launched a nationwide expansion of the Skills for America’s Future programme, offering training, workforce development and job placements to help people find jobs in industry.

The programme is being run with the Manufacturing Institute, the think-tank affiliated to the National Association of Manufacturers. Emily Derocco, the institute’s president, said: “There is very definitely a gap between those that are unemployed or underemployed, and the education and skills that manufacturers require today. The companies are leaner and heavily technology-intensive, and require more than a high school diploma.”

Jeff Joerres, chief executive of Manpower, said businesses were more selective while the recovery was still weak and uncertain: “Employers have a much more sophisticated definition of skill requirements. Workers need to be instantly productive, and that makes a higher bar.”

The Nobel prize-winning economist Peter Diamond of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who was this month forced to withdraw from seeking a seat on the US Federal Reserve board of governors after Republican opposition, has argued that it can be worthwhile to invest in more education and training regardless of the general condition of the economy.


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I think the comments by Eric Spiegel are incredibly stupid and lack common sense!

Sure, the educational system is lacking in the country, but to expect that a person entering the work force is ready to be plugged into a sensitive position at Siemens is absurd. The reason they need to recruit trained people from other companies is because they trained them! :rolleyes: The reason that there are only a few highly trained people available from the pool of the unemployed is because they frequently have the skills that provide the opportunity to move to other companies when they're facing a closing or down sizing.

FBD
06-20-2011, 08:58 PM
but we got collidge dugrees! :dance:


how's about that concept, a company training a friggin worker..

deebakes
06-20-2011, 10:54 PM
i want to see this german giant! does he look like andre? :-k

lost in melb.
06-20-2011, 11:14 PM
but we got collidge dugrees! :dance:


how's about that concept, a company training a friggin worker..

Trouble is, you have a chop'n'change mentality to employment in the US, no? Might work for somewhere like Japan where you're expected and happy to say in the same position for life.

College degrees do more than merely provide qualifications and 'training', not to mention the institution of the University.

Southern Belle
06-21-2011, 01:03 AM
It seems that companies can be so picky now about who they hire, they'd take more time to work with education to make sure people are trained to do the jobs they offer.
I'm working sort of part time and temporarily for a small, privately owned company that designs and manufactures robotic and highly specialized welding equipment. They have partnered with a local tech college to train aspiriing welders to used their machines.
They've also partnered with a large construction company that is building new nuclear plants here in the southeast to design robotic welding equipment for them AND train welders to use the equipment.

Maybe Siemens should start training instead of bitching.

Deepsepia
06-21-2011, 01:09 AM
I think the comments by Eric Spiegel are incredibly stupid and lack common sense!

Sure, the educational system is lacking in the country, but to expect that a person entering the work force is ready to be plugged into a sensitive position at Siemens is absurd.

His comments are based on Siemens' experience operating in Germany, where there is an extraordinarily deep and proficient system of technical education and the United States, where there isn't . . .

Germany (and Japan) have always viewed "the job" of the educational system as being providing high quality workers to business.

As a result, they do and we don't.

In both Germany and Japan, high school age students are learning useful technical skills on apprenticeship/internships at companies, even before they graduate. As a result, when they show up at 18 or 19 they're not some dumb kid, they're someone with several years of experience, and the employer is familiar with their skills.

Southern Belle
06-21-2011, 01:12 AM
His comments are based on Siemens' experience operating in Germany, where there is an extraordinarily deep and proficient system of technical education and the United States, where there isn't . . .

Germany (and Japan) have always viewed "the job" of the educational system as being providing high quality workers to business.

As a result, they do and we don't.

In both Germany and Japan, high school age students are learning useful technical skills on apprenticeship/internships at companies, even before they graduate. As a result, when they show up at 18 or 19 they're not some dumb kid, they're someone with several years of experience, and the employer is familiar with their skills.


Which makes a lot of sense.

AntZ
06-21-2011, 07:42 AM
In both Germany and Japan, high school age students are learning useful technical skills on apprenticeship/internships at companies, even before they graduate. As a result, when they show up at 18 or 19 they're not some dumb kid, they're someone with several years of experience, and the employer is familiar with their skills.

Actually, it's the same here, school ends at the age of 16! You can walk away and do nothing, or if you are a top student, you can go to a high level "High School" that only accepts the best. From there, those students enter top University's. That's the way my wife became a lawyer, and when she has reunions with her class, everyone in her class went on to became doctors, lawyers, microbiologists, and engineers. For the other 75%, they can either pick a paid private high school where they are zoo's like some U.S. schools. I tutored English at two of them, most of those kids have no interest in learning anything. Then most all the rest go to trade schools, for high level training and to earn a credential to be a school teacher, a plumber, even a hair dresser.

So in Germany, Switzerland, and Japan, they can get workers that are trained machinists right out of school. The kids have been working in front of machines every morning for 4 years, then they learn history and languages and...

So his criticism is still stupid! If he doesn't know the way the education system is set up in the country where he is tasked with setting up an expansion division, then he obviously is the wrong man for the job. That would be as stupid as MLB sending a coach to Europe to recruit young Baseball players, then criticizing the fact that the countries don't teach it in schools and don't have Little League! :roll:

Arkady Renko
06-21-2011, 03:51 PM
Actually, it's the same here, school ends at the age of 16! You can walk away and do nothing, or if you are a top student, you can go to a high level "High School" that only accepts the best. From there, those students enter top University's. That's the way my wife became a lawyer, and when she has reunions with her class, everyone in her class went on to became doctors, lawyers, microbiologists, and engineers. For the other 75%, they can either pick a paid private high school where they are zoo's like some U.S. schools. I tutored English at two of them, most of those kids have no interest in learning anything. Then most all the rest go to trade schools, for high level training and to earn a credential to be a school teacher, a plumber, even a hair dresser.

So in Germany, Switzerland, and Japan, they can get workers that are trained machinists right out of school. The kids have been working in front of machines every morning for 4 years, then they learn history and languages and...

So his criticism is still stupid! If he doesn't know the way the education system is set up in the country where he is tasked with setting up an expansion division, then he obviously is the wrong man for the job. That would be as stupid as MLB sending a coach to Europe to recruit young Baseball players, then criticizing the fact that the countries don't teach it in schools and don't have Little League! :roll:

why is his criticism stupid? If the US education system has massive shortcomings and doesn't prepare kids for the world out there, it's time to think about changes rather than shooting the messenger. Siemens' US branch go to great lengths to train their employees to make up for the deficits of the US education system, I think that's a much more healthy approach than trimming down their US plants and importing stuff from germany or any other of the 100+ countries they've also got factories in.