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AntZ
06-22-2011, 07:32 AM
AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law


By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press




WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's health care law would let several million middle-class people get nearly free insurance meant for the poor, a twist government number crunchers say they discovered only after the complex bill was signed.

The change would affect early retirees: A married couple could have an annual income of about $64,000 and still get Medicaid, said officials who make long-range cost estimates for the Health and Human Services department.

Up to 3 million more people could qualify for Medicaid in 2014 as a result of the anomaly. That's because, in a major change from today, most of their Social Security benefits would no longer be counted as income for determining eligibility. It might be compared to allowing middle-class people to qualify for food stamps.

Medicare chief actuary Richard Foster says the situation keeps him up at night.

"I don't generally comment on the pros or cons of policy, but that just doesn't make sense," Foster said during a question-and-answer session at a recent professional society meeting.


"This is a situation that got no attention at all," added Foster. "And even now, as I raise the issue with various policymakers, people are not rushing to say ... we need to do something about this."

Indeed, administration officials and senior Democratic lawmakers say it's not a loophole but the result of a well-meaning effort to simplify rules for deciding who will get help with insurance costs under the new health care law. Instead of a hodgepodge of rules, there will be one national policy.

"This simplification will stop people from falling into coverage gaps and may cause some to be newly eligible for Medicaid and others to no longer qualify," said Brian Cook, spokesman for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

But states have been clamoring for relief from Medicaid costs, complaining that just these sorts of federal rules drive up spending and limit state options. The program is now one of the top issues in budget negotiations between the White House and Congress. Republicans are pushing for a rollback of federal requirements that block states from limiting eligibility.

Medicaid is a safety net program that serves more than 50 million vulnerable Americans, from low-income children and pregnant women to Alzheimer's patients in nursing homes. It's designed as a federal-state partnership, with Washington paying close to 60 percent of the total cost.

Early retirees would be a new group for Medicaid. While retirees can now start collecting Social Security at age 62, they must wait another three years to get Medicare, unless they're disabled.

Some early retirees who worked all their lives may not want to be associated with a health care program for the poor, but others might see it as a relatively painless way to satisfy the new law's requirement that all Americans carry medical insurance starting in 2014. It would help tide them over until they turn 65 and qualify for Medicare.

The actuary's office said the 3 million early retirees who would become eligible for Medicaid are on top of an estimated 16 million to 20 million people that Obama's law would already bring into the program, by opening it to childless adults with incomes near the poverty level. Federal taxpayers will cover all of the initial cost of the expansion.

A spokeswoman for the Senate Finance Committee, which wrote much of the health care law, said if the situation does become a problem there's plenty of time to fix it later.

"These changes don't take effect until 2014, so we have time to review all possible cases to ensure Medicaid meets its mission of serving only the neediest Americans," said Erin Shields.

But Republicans already see a problem.

Former Utah governor Mike Leavitt said adding early retirees will "just add fuel to the fire," bolstering the argument from Republican governors that some of Washington's rules don't make sense.

"The fact that this is being discovered now tells you, what else is baked into this law?" said Leavitt, who served as Health and Human Services secretary under President George H.W. Bush. "It clearly begins to reveal that the nature of the law was to put more and more people under eligibility for government insurance."

The Medicare actuary's office roughed out some examples to illustrate how the provision would work. A married couple retiring at 62 in 2014 and receiving the maximum Social Security benefit of $23,500 apiece could get $17,000 from other sources and still qualify for Medicaid with a total income of $64,000.

That $64,000 would put them at about four times the federal poverty level, which for a two-person household is $14,710 this year. The Medicaid expansion in the health care law was supposed to benefit childless adults with incomes up to 133 percent of the poverty level. A fudge factor built into the law bumps that up to 138 percent.

The actuary's office acknowledged its $64,000 example would represent an unusual case, but nonetheless the hypothetical couple would still qualify for Medicaid.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_health_overhaul_glitch





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FBD
06-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Yes (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html), he's historic, alright. The blatant list of shit continues...

• First President to Violate the War Powers Act (and lie about hostilities)

• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels (and lie about knowing about it...and letting his AG lie about it too)

• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico (and lie saying we're producing more oil than ever)

• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law

• First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party (and lie about whether its yet another tax)

• First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs (see his shit eating grin joking that they created 2.1 million jobs...oh wait, he was serious with that...lie)

• First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters (and vastly exaggerate what would happen if the first people in line were served first)

• First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees (before following through on making energy prices necessarily skyrocket)

• First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places (since when is a slam dunk not a slam dunk? when its the right thing to do and the obama admin is involved)

• First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It

• First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases (my lies come first)

• First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory (yes, he's responsible for his appointees)

• First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago (skyrocket!)

• First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case (cant let the american people know exactly what it is he's doing, now)

• First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts (transparency for thee, not for me)

• First President to Golf 73 Separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office (and he doesnt even play well)

But remember: he will not rest until all Americans have jobs, affordable homes, green-energy vehicles, and the environment is repaired, etc., etc., etc.

Anyone who votes for this guy this time around *really* has their head in the sand.

Muddy
06-22-2011, 05:19 PM
I'm going to vote for Obama, FBD. Just to spite you.. :dance:

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2011, 05:29 PM
Im voting for Palin because it will be hilarious

Muddy
06-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Im gonna cancel out FBD's vote because it makes all his posts over the years a waste of his time.

You do Anthems..

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2011, 05:54 PM
:tup: Your votes mean nothing now

Teh One Who Knocks
06-22-2011, 06:13 PM
I'm moving to Canada

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2011, 06:28 PM
Im just kidding Lank, I'm voting for Tracy Morgan


http://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2011/06/tracy-morgan-shirtless-500x352.jpg

Loser
06-22-2011, 06:36 PM
I'm moving to Canada

This.

Muddy
06-22-2011, 06:39 PM
This.


Aren't you on disability?

FBD
06-22-2011, 06:48 PM
I'm going to vote for Obama, FBD. Just to spite you.. :dance:

http://i.imgur.com/M9dne.jpg
Hey, if you want to spite me that bad that you'll vote for proven incompetency, go ahead :mrgreen: You want to make bets on what 4 more years of departure from american values will do to the country?

PorkChopSandwiches
06-22-2011, 06:58 PM
Probably something similar to 8 years of Bush ;)

FBD
06-22-2011, 07:12 PM
:lol: oh, teh lack of maths

it made for a good joke though :mrgreen:

Meanwhile, Obama's "stimulus" is found to have doubled the national debt.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=12212


"Compassionate Conservatism" was never a very good idea. Being a fiscal conservative pretty much requires that you look at problems honestly, and when those core things are abandoned, you simply have one colossal failure colossal failure that begets an even more colossal failure, e.g. statist quasi socialist leftists spending money hand over fist and mandating all sorts of fucked up things.

AntZ
06-22-2011, 07:14 PM
You do Anthems..


Hey FBD, you do Anthems?

Cool! Start with the National Anthem :usa: , then O'Canada :canada: for the Canadian's here, then God save the Queen :britain: for the Brits!


Don't forget MuddyGut! :gay: Just pick some random Broadway show tune, any will do.



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FBD
06-22-2011, 07:37 PM
yeah, I even practice them with a metronome so that they're ON TIME when performed, and I also take no poetic license and perform them as written!!! :dance: :roll: :lol:

Muddy
06-22-2011, 07:52 PM
Hey FBD, you do Anthems?

Cool! Start with the National Anthem :usa: , then O'Canada :canada: for the Canadian's here, then God save the Queen :britain: for the Brits!


Don't forget MuddyGut! :gay: Just pick some random Broadway show tune, any will do.



http://www.smilies-and-more.de/pics/smilies/party/147.gif


:dance: