World's oceans in 'shocking' decline

[Godfather]

the oceans are in a worse state than previously suspected, according to an expert panel of scientists.

In a new report, they warn that ocean life is "at high risk of entering a phase of extinction of marine species unprecedented in human history".

They conclude that issues such as over-fishing, pollution and climate change are acting together in ways that have not previously been recognised.

The impacts, they say, are already affecting humanity.

The panel was convened by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), and brought together experts from different disciplines, including coral reef ecologists, toxicologists, and fisheries scientists.

Its report will be formally released later this week.

"The findings are shocking," said Alex Rogers, IPSO's scientific director and professor of conservation biology at Oxford University.

"As we considered the cumulative effect of what humankind does to the oceans, the implications became far worse than we had individually realised.

"We've sat in one forum and spoken to each other about what we're seeing, and we've ended up with a picture showing that almost right across the board we're seeing changes that are happening faster than we'd thought, or in ways that we didn't expect to see for hundreds of years."

These "accelerated" changes include melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, sea level rise, and release of methane trapped in the sea bed.
Fast changes

"The rate of change is vastly exceeding what we were expecting even a couple of years ago," said Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, a coral specialist from the University of Queensland in Australia.
Fish at market Some species are already fished way beyond their limits - and may also be affected by other threats

"So if you look at almost everything, whether it's fisheries in temperate zones or coral reefs or Arctic sea ice, all of this is undergoing changes, but at a much faster rate than we had thought."

But more worrying than this, the team noted, are the ways in which different issues act synergistically to increase threats to marine life.

Some pollutants, for example, stick to the surfaces of tiny plastic particles that are now found in the ocean bed.

This increases the amounts of these pollutants that are consumed by bottom-feeding fish.

Plastic particles also assist the transport of algae from place to place, increasing the occurrence of toxic algal blooms - which are also caused by the influx of nutrient-rich pollution from agricultural land.

In a wider sense, ocean acidification, warming, local pollution and overfishing are acting together to increase the threat to coral reefs - so much so that three-quarters of the world's reefs are at risk of severe decline.
Carbon deposits
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The challenges are vast; but unlike previous generations, we know what now needs to happen”

End Quote Dan Laffoley IUCN

Life on Earth has gone through five "mass extinction events" caused by events such as asteroid impacts; and it is often said that humanity's combined impact is causing a sixth such event.

The IPSO report concludes that it is too early to say definitively.

But the trends are such that it is likely to happen, they say - and far faster than any of the previous five.

"What we're seeing at the moment is unprecedented in the fossil record - the environmental changes are much more rapid," Professor Rogers told BBC News.

"We've still got most of the world's biodiversity, but the actual rate of extinction is much higher [than in past events] - and what we face is certainly a globally significant extinction event."

The report also notes that previous mass extinction events have been associated with trends being observed now - disturbances of the carbon cycle, and acidification and hypoxia (depletion of oxygen) of seawater.

Levels of CO2 being absorbed by the oceans are already far greater than during the great extinction of marine species 55 million years ago (during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum), it concludes.
Blue planet

The report's conclusions will be presented at UN headquarters in New York this week, when government delegates begin discussions on reforming governance of the oceans.
Flowers between solar panels In the long run, greenhouse gas emissions must be cut to conserve ocean life, the report concludes

IPSO's immediate recommendations include:

* stopping exploitative fishing now, with special emphasis on the high seas where currently there is little effective regulation
* mapping and then reducing the input of pollutants including plastics, agricultural fertilisers and human waste
* making sharp reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.

Carbon dioxide levels are now so high, it says, that ways of pulling the gas out of the atmosphere need to be researched urgently - but not using techniques, such as iron fertilisation, that lead to more CO2 entering the oceans.

"We have to bring down CO2 emissions to zero within about 20 years," Professor Hoegh-Guldberg told BBC News.

"If we don't do that, we're going to see steady acidification of the seas, heat events that are wiping out things like kelp forests and coral reefs, and we'll see a very different ocean."

Another of the report's authors, Dan Laffoley, marine chair of the World Commission on Protected Areas and an adviser to the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN), admitted the challenges were vast.

"But unlike previous generations, we know what now needs to happen," he said.

"The time to protect the blue heart of our planet is now."

[RBP]

:freakout:

[AntZ]

http://i.imgur.com/ACkRy.jpg

[Arkady Renko]

yeah, go ahead, stick your heads into the sand and pretend it's all just a conspiracy of misguided hippie scientists...

[redred]

damn hippies[-(

[Softdreamer]

Ask any fisherman, he will tell you.

The oceans are fucked.

[FBD]

"We have to bring down CO2 emissions to zero within about 20 years," Professor Hoegh-Guldberg told BBC News.

"If we don't do that, we're going to see steady acidification of the seas, heat events that are wiping out things like kelp forests and coral reefs, and we'll see a very different ocean."


:rolleyes: Yes, let's simply stop all industrial and economic activities, that'd be a start. Let's grind the world to a halt, and perhaps then our equations might make some sense.

You have made worse predictions than the vast majority of our economists. Why in the hell should we trust your half baked contrivances that you think will save the planet? They are proven wrong regularly, when they have to re-calibrate them to reality.

Serious flaws have already been discovered about how fast they think the ice sheets are melting.

Not to mention, the CO2 & ocean acidification crap has already been debunked too.

I think they just thought we forgot about it? That's the problem with "Pal review."



But wait! They admittedly cant even say for sure.

“The IPSO report concludes that it is too early to say definitively.”

Watts put it well,


So, the BBC story “World’s oceans in ‘shocking’ decline” seems to be based on nothing more than some joint opinion at a conference with Greenpeace activists, a regurgitated press release, and no peer reviewed publication yet.


So yet again, this is a story of some greeny activists getting together, calling themselves a coalition of environmental protectors, and make preposterous and wildly inaccurate predictions.


Calling people names is unnecessary. Don't do it again. - DGX

[Godfather]

Anythony Watt's blog eh. It's entertaining and leads to more debate in the environmental community than there might otherwise be... but...

I'm not going to get into a link war or type my face off :lol: But I do have questions

Out of curiosity, is the ocean is in the same shape it was 100 & 500 years ago or is its state still based on the natural evolution of the world? Is there really nothing to worry about, or no point in discussing this?

And my biggest question: The 'big' science debates (C02, climate change) around this topic seem to get in the way of acknowledging how poorly we're managing our resources and treating the planet, even if you don't believe the acidification tables that show change in the ocean - is that not a factor? The ocean has dive-bombed in 100 years.



I hope the debunkers are right... if I could find literature that made me believe it, I'd be a happy man.

[Hal-9000]

Ask any fisherman, he will tell you.

The oceans are fucked.

most intelligent and reliable post I've read thus far :thumbsup:

[Godfather]

most intelligent and reliable post I've read thus far :thumbsup:

Agreed :lol: :D

[Hal-9000]

well honestly...how can people say that we're NOT affecting the environment in terms of over fishing and the crap we put in the air and dump in the rivers and oceans...daily

it's part of a cycle and the salinity/acidity content in the oceans has already changed...how people can call that a 'chicken little' scenario is pompous and ignorant

[RBP]

I think calling people who disagree with you pompous and ignorant is pompous and ignorant.

[Hal-9000]

not directed at you RBP...just the idea

other folks seem to get rankled in these threads and level their opinion..along with a sarcastic remark or name calling....this is my way

[DemonGeminiX]

If I see any more nameslinging in this thread, I'm banning the offenders for a week.

State your case, but leave the personal insults out.

[Hal-9000]

wow RBP caught and commented on my post within two minutes :lol:

wish I could get followed that quickly in other threads where I post :woot:

[RBP]

not directed at you Hal...just the idea ;)

Love you DGX :D

[FBD]

wow, I can see board members, but random hopelessly indoctrinated shills - that cannot distinguish correlation from causation - who have absolutely nothing to do with any of us here???

Are you going to enforce that across the entire board, or is this one reserved specifically for me?

:hand: go ahead, use it as an excuse to display your authority DGX. You'd make a great cop (that people would call a typical asshole cop behind their back.)

*waits*

[Godfather]

:shock:

[MrsM]

:facepalm:

[Muddy]

:lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

wow, I can see board members, but random hopelessly indoctrinated shills - that cannot distinguish correlation from causation - who have absolutely nothing to do with any of us here???

Are you going to enforce that across the entire board, or is this one reserved specifically for me?

:hand: go ahead, use it as an excuse to display your authority DGX. You'd make a great cop (that people would call a typical asshole cop behind their back.)

*waits*

Your posts are particularly venomous. I don't see anybody else calling people "fucknuts" and, in general, treating people who disagree with them as lesser lifeforms that they would scrape off the bottom of their shoes as a method of winning a debate. As was stated time and time again, it's completely unnecessary and wrong.

[FBD]

Yeah, sorry, that one needed to be said. We rank on all kinds of people all the time here, and all of a sudden its this arbitrary "no personal insults on anyone" out of the blue?

I call bullshit on that.

me & DGX were cool until one day at AS I get a pm from him saying "ok dude, you know way too much, what's your degree in?" And then once I tell him I have no degree, he basically ignored any further PMs in the conversation and has basically been anti-FBD since. Not that I really give a shit, but hey. Dont be such a hypocrite.

Sorry DGX. Your rant about fucknuts was entirely arbitrary.

[Pony]

http://i.imgur.com/kSESw.gif

[Pony]

Yeah, sorry, that one needed to be said. We rank on all kinds of people all the time here, and all of a sudden its this arbitrary "no personal insults on anyone" out of the blue?




It's been a rule here since before the place went public.


8: Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. We take politeness very seriously.

[Muddy]

Im going to lunch.. You fellas play nice now.. :lol:

[Hal-9000]

not directed at you Hal...just the idea ;)

Love you DGX :D

well honestly, I wasn't trying to rankle any nerves but there is a routine here that seems to play out


story is posted

someone comments indicating a concern

others make sarcastic and pointed references implying the first person is crazy, not educated or worse...

first person doesn't feel like contributing to the discussion any further because of the above


Our fishing industry has almost died on both of our coasts from two causes....overfishing and pollution.Both causes are man made and I believe that
rather than saying it's a chicken little scenario and belittling others, it's time we started correcting that for which we are responsible.Or trying at least


and I don't love DGX

[DemonGeminiX]

Yeah, sorry, that one needed to be said. We rank on all kinds of people all the time here, and all of a sudden its this arbitrary "no personal insults on anyone" out of the blue?

I call bullshit on that.

me & DGX were cool until one day at AS I get a pm from him saying "ok dude, you know way too much, what's your degree in?" And then once I tell him I have no degree, he basically ignored any further PMs in the conversation and has basically been anti-FBD since. Not that I really give a shit, but hey. Dont be such a hypocrite.

Sorry DGX. Your rant about fucknuts was entirely arbitrary.

You know, after that pm, I had developed a deep respect for you. I have actually defended you behind closed doors. But time and time again, you tread all over people in these discussions like they're pieces of shit for having an opinion that's different than yours and you don't even see that you're doing it. It's not about your position, it's about your presentation, your delivery. What you are doing is wrong and I will not defend you anymore.

[Hal-9000]

Yeah, sorry, that one needed to be said. We rank on all kinds of people all the time here, and all of a sudden its this arbitrary "no personal insults on anyone" out of the blue?

I call bullshit on that.

me & DGX were cool until one day at AS I get a pm from him saying "ok dude, you know way too much, what's your degree in?" And then once I tell him I have no degree, he basically ignored any further PMs in the conversation and has basically been anti-FBD since. Not that I really give a shit, but hey. Dont be such a hypocrite.

Sorry DGX. Your rant about fucknuts was entirely arbitrary.


Yeah but as much as I respect your intelligence and knowledge about the world around us (and your sense of humor) ...it's very hard to post with someone who knows everything :|


This is only my opinion and not an attack, please don't take it that way - at times if someone posts an idea contrary to yours, you seem to get very agitated and in that response, it feels like you're belittling the persons or people...as if they should know better.Lately you seem more 'pointed' with the odd insult thrown in and that just doesn't seem like you.

anyways my perception could be way off, I love your outlook on things but there needs to be wiggle room for all of us to learn as we go through the progression

[AntZ]

Ask any fisherman, he will tell you.

The oceans are fucked.

What fishermen do we ask?

The ones that stripped all the fish out of the Mediterranean?

The fisherman from all the Asian countries, especially Japan, that have stripped mined the oceans of tuna and other once prosperous species?
Are we going to ask those same Asian fisherman why they dump thousands of tons of damaged or used nets into the water and get carried away to pollute the fish habitats in Hawaiian chain of islands? Should we ask those same fisherman why they continue to kill dolphin and whales?

Or why don't we ask the fisherman from Costa Rica and other parts of the world why they are mass slaughtering sharks, for the Asian market around the world to make shark fin soup?

Even Gordon Ramsey pulled together the top Chinese restaurants of London and asked them to take a stand and STOP serving the soup! Only half agreed!


If people and countries are soooooooooo concerned, deal with those issues first!

[redred]

What fishermen do we ask?

bob nudd :tup:

[MrsM]

What fishermen do we ask?

The ones that stripped all the fish out of the Mediterranean?

The fisherman from all the Asian countries, especially Japan, that have stripped mined the oceans of tuna and other once prosperous species?
Are we going to ask those same Asian fisherman why they dump thousands of tons of damaged or used nets into the water and get carried away to pollute the fish habitats in Hawaiian chain of islands? Should we ask those same fisherman why they continue to kill dolphin and whales?

Or why don't we ask the fisherman from Costa Rica and other parts of the world why they are mass slaughtering sharks, for the Asian market around the world to make shark fin soup?

Even Gordon Ramsey pulled together the top Chinese restaurants of London and asked them to take a stand and STOP serving the soup! Only half agreed!


If people and countries are soooooooooo concerned, deal with those issues first!

I agree with you Antz and I bet most agree with you as well - the oceans have been mis-managed for many years. I strongly believe that we need to deal with these issues - however this should also not stop people from discussing and trying to reduce pollution.

I believe the issues are a combination of many things and taking on one or 2 will help - but not resolve the problems.

[Muddy]

Ask these guys..

http://stalinsmoustache.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/seas07.jpg

[redred]

who are they?

[Muddy]

who are they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) is a non-profit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit), marine conservation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_conservation) organization based in Friday Harbor, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_Harbor,_Washington) in the United States. The group uses direct action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action) tactics to protect sealife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealife).

[AntZ]

who are they?

Douche bags!

Even South Park dedicated a show to point out what publicity whores they are and that they accomplish nothing but a lame reality show! :roll:


http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/254170/are-we-bad-asses

[Hal-9000]

maybe by way of a breather and something that's been on my mind anyways...
I apologize for criticizing you FBD, it's not my place and I'm miles from perfect myself (Lord knows...)

I like this place.I believe we have some intelligent, witty and very knowledgeable posters in our group.There's been many times when I've learned something
from another member who's taken the time to impart their experiences.I for one appreciate that and enjoy the different takes on the various stories here.

[redred]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) is a non-profit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit), marine conservation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_conservation) organization based in Friday Harbor, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_Harbor,_Washington) in the United States. The group uses direct action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action) tactics to protect sealife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealife).

oh thanks for that :tup:

[Muddy]

Douche bags!

Even South Park dedicated a show to point out what publicity whores they are and that they accomplish nothing but a lame reality show! :roll:

Bull Shit..! Paul Watson is one of the greatest protectors of the Ocean life on the planet.

And fuck South Park... They're a joke.

[AntZ]

Bull Shit..! Paul Watson is one of the greatest protectors of the Ocean life on the planet.

And fuck South Park... They're a joke.

Bull Shit..!

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are two of the greatest protectors of people from cheesy pop culture bullshit!

http://i.imgur.com/n4obI.jpg


They just picked up multiple Leftest Homosexual awards! a.k.a. Tony's!


http://www.smilies-and-more.de/pics/smilies/angry/013.gif

[Muddy]

Paul Watson is one of the greatest protectors of the Ocean life on the planet.

Read his Bio.

[Hal-9000]

fook Antz....you made me laugh with that last post :rofl:

[Softdreamer]

What fishermen do we ask?

The ones that stripped all the fish out of the Mediterranean?

The fisherman from all the Asian countries, especially Japan, that have stripped mined the oceans of tuna and other once prosperous species?
Are we going to ask those same Asian fisherman why they dump thousands of tons of damaged or used nets into the water and get carried away to pollute the fish habitats in Hawaiian chain of islands? Should we ask those same fisherman why they continue to kill dolphin and whales?

Or why don't we ask the fisherman from Costa Rica and other parts of the world why they are mass slaughtering sharks, for the Asian market around the world to make shark fin soup?

Even Gordon Ramsey pulled together the top Chinese restaurants of London and asked them to take a stand and STOP serving the soup! Only half agreed!


If people and countries are soooooooooo concerned, deal with those issues first!

Agreed, mostly.
I think you missed the Irony in who I was asking you to ask..

The ocean was an ecosystem, it wasnt a delicate one. But we are turning it into a delicate one.

[FBD]

*upgrades filters*

usually I have to have a few things tick me off for me to rant a bit. I like you guys, somtimes me fingers take off and I'm not mindful of the amount of these things we've already discussed.

what ticks me off about articles like this is that they try to make some legitimate point, but then they turn around and display their insincerity by the PC-requisite tying CO2 into it when the shit's been debunked pretty well, yet for sensationalism's sake, for the sake of their grant funding, for the sake of high profile, for the sake of some dumbass bureaucrat having something to legislatively or regulatorily latch on to no matter how flimsy that implicates CO2 with the peril of the planet, they feel they must include a few mentions of how CO2 is playing a significant role here.

environmentalists, you need to stop following the religion. its heretical, it is against the scientific method. it is abdicating your stated goal of environmental protection by focusing on a lynchpin that holds seemingly perpetual grants and media recognition - to force people to believe in something that is not being backed up by reality, merely backed up by indoctrination and media hype.

dgx, sorry I got the impression after that conversation that you thought I was a google champ or something. water long under the bridge, just another example of how easy it is to misinterpret things over the net.

I'm not here to argue with you guys :D hell I try to avoid any needless secretions of hormones, e.g. getting stressed out - in peeling back layers of the onion ya kinda get more sensitive to certain things - I can taste stress, and its pretty similar to certain poisons :lol:

damn bullshit tactics...like I've said before, focusing on CO2 only serves to detract from real environmental efforts.

[Arkady Renko]

apparently it's not manly to worry about the environment. Real guys with balls drive a gas guzzling SUV, cool their house to 20 degrees celsius in the summer and heat it to 30 in the winter, their preferred food is endangered species, they don't recycle and dirty cheap gas and electricity are their birthright.

[AntZ]

apparently it's not manly to worry about the environment. Real guys with balls drive a gas guzzling SUV, cool their house to 20 degrees celsius in the summer and heat it to 30 in the winter, their preferred food is endangered species, they don't recycle and dirty cheap gas and electricity are their birthright.

Yeah! So!

At least we don't heat our house with an oil fire, like some people! :facepalm:

[Arkady Renko]

Yeah! So!

At least we don't heat our house with an oil fire, like some people! :facepalm:

come september, that's a thing of the past. :nana: Besides, I'm not even trying to claim it's alright, I just needed to save enough money to get it done. [-(

[Muddy]

*upgrades filters*

usually I have to have a few things tick me off for me to rant a bit. I like you guys, somtimes me fingers take off and I'm not mindful of the amount of these things we've already discussed.

what ticks me off about articles like this is that they try to make some legitimate point, but then they turn around and display their insincerity by the PC-requisite tying CO2 into it when the shit's been debunked pretty well, yet for sensationalism's sake, for the sake of their grant funding, for the sake of high profile, for the sake of some dumbass bureaucrat having something to legislatively or regulatorily latch on to no matter how flimsy that implicates CO2 with the peril of the planet, they feel they must include a few mentions of how CO2 is playing a significant role here.

environmentalists, you need to stop following the religion. its heretical, it is against the scientific method. it is abdicating your stated goal of environmental protection by focusing on a lynchpin that holds seemingly perpetual grants and media recognition - to force people to believe in something that is not being backed up by reality, merely backed up by indoctrination and media hype.

dgx, sorry I got the impression after that conversation that you thought I was a google champ or something. water long under the bridge, just another example of how easy it is to misinterpret things over the net.

I'm not here to argue with you guys :D hell I try to avoid any needless secretions of hormones, e.g. getting stressed out - in peeling back layers of the onion ya kinda get more sensitive to certain things - I can taste stress, and its pretty similar to certain poisons :lol:

damn bullshit tactics...like I've said before, focusing on CO2 only serves to detract from real environmental efforts.


Good on you for coming back to the table and admitting you were a dick head... :dance: j/k homie...

[Pony]

*upgrades filters*

usually I have to have a few things tick me off for me to rant a bit. I like you guys, somtimes me fingers take off and I'm not mindful of the amount of these things we've already discussed.

what ticks me off about articles like this is that they try to make some legitimate point, but then they turn around and display their insincerity by the PC-requisite tying CO2 into it when the shit's been debunked pretty well, yet for sensationalism's sake, for the sake of their grant funding, for the sake of high profile, for the sake of some dumbass bureaucrat having something to legislatively or regulatorily latch on to no matter how flimsy that implicates CO2 with the peril of the planet, they feel they must include a few mentions of how CO2 is playing a significant role here.

environmentalists, you need to stop following the religion. its heretical, it is against the scientific method. it is abdicating your stated goal of environmental protection by focusing on a lynchpin that holds seemingly perpetual grants and media recognition - to force people to believe in something that is not being backed up by reality, merely backed up by indoctrination and media hype.

dgx, sorry I got the impression after that conversation that you thought I was a google champ or something. water long under the bridge, just another example of how easy it is to misinterpret things over the net.

I'm not here to argue with you guys :D hell I try to avoid any needless secretions of hormones, e.g. getting stressed out - in peeling back layers of the onion ya kinda get more sensitive to certain things - I can taste stress, and its pretty similar to certain poisons :lol:

damn bullshit tactics...like I've said before, focusing on CO2 only serves to detract from real environmental efforts.

Well done, bud.:tup:

I totally agree with you on the CO2 thing, seems you can't watch the TV or a movie these days without a mention of it. Fooking brainwashing....

[redred]

*upgrades filters*

usually I have to have a few things tick me off for me to rant a bit. I like you guys, somtimes me fingers take off and I'm not mindful of the amount of these things we've already discussed.

what ticks me off about articles like this is that they try to make some legitimate point, but then they turn around and display their insincerity by the PC-requisite tying CO2 into it when the shit's been debunked pretty well, yet for sensationalism's sake, for the sake of their grant funding, for the sake of high profile, for the sake of some dumbass bureaucrat having something to legislatively or regulatorily latch on to no matter how flimsy that implicates CO2 with the peril of the planet, they feel they must include a few mentions of how CO2 is playing a significant role here.

environmentalists, you need to stop following the religion. its heretical, it is against the scientific method. it is abdicating your stated goal of environmental protection by focusing on a lynchpin that holds seemingly perpetual grants and media recognition - to force people to believe in something that is not being backed up by reality, merely backed up by indoctrination and media hype.

dgx, sorry I got the impression after that conversation that you thought I was a google champ or something. water long under the bridge, just another example of how easy it is to misinterpret things over the net.

I'm not here to argue with you guys :D hell I try to avoid any needless secretions of hormones, e.g. getting stressed out - in peeling back layers of the onion ya kinda get more sensitive to certain things - I can taste stress, and its pretty similar to certain poisons :lol:

damn bullshit tactics...like I've said before, focusing on CO2 only serves to detract from real environmental efforts.

i haven't read most of this but i've seen the word sorry and that will do for me as i think it take a lot to say that word, fbd you have a lot of respect here please don't let yourself down with name calling we all know your more than that,you come across as a clever bloke don't let it slip use big words or something :lol:

[Hal-9000]

I peed in the ocean just south of Vancouver Island, so I contributed to global warming and the salinity content of the Pacific ocean :oops:

[Godfather]

I peed in the ocean just south of Vancouver Island, so I contributed to global warming and the salinity content of the Pacific ocean :oops:

Deep lives south of us doesn't he? He gets all Victoria's untreated water flushed into the Pacific :lol:

Shiiiit...

[Acid Trip]

"We have to bring down CO2 emissions to zero within about 20 years," Professor Hoegh-Guldberg told BBC News.

"If we don't do that, we're going to see steady acidification of the seas, heat events that are wiping out things like kelp forests and coral reefs, and we'll see a very different ocean."

It appears we must kill every oxygen breathing creature on this planet because they are producing CO2! Then we must kill ourselves for the same offense!

:machinegun:

It's ridiculous statements like that which make me question anything else they say.