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Pony
12-30-2016, 11:46 AM
PITTSBURGH - There’s a push in western Pennsylvania to remove the question from job applications that asks about prior criminal convictions.

Pittsburgh natives Darrick Currington and Krishaun Davis are both eager to be part of the local workforce. They have applied for jobs, and in some cases been hired. But, they said, the job opportunities vanish when employers learn both are ex-felons.

"There were some situations where I told employers I'd work two weeks for free, just to prove myself,” Davis said.

Numbers from the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections show about 18,000 inmates are released every year. Each one is faced with the challenge of finding work.

"My criminal record just, it just kept coming up as an issue regardless of the fact that I had gained some credentials with the vocational school,” Davis said.

These men, and many others, have served their time behind bars and are ready to move on with their lives.

"Some of those mistakes are not, or should not prevent them from creating a new life,” said Tim Stevens, chairman of the Black Political Empowerment Project, or B-PEP.

That’s why organizations including the B-PEP, the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County are encouraging employers to “ban the box,” or remove from job applications the questions asking about prior convictions.

“If I check 'no' and the background check comes back 'yes,' then I'm labeled dishonest,” Davis said. “And if I check 'yes,' I'm disqualified."

Supporters say banning the box increases the pool of job candidates, can help diversify the workforce and gives ex-offenders a fair shot at an interview.

"You also have an opportunity to find out who they are otherwise, and what else they have done on the positive side of life,” Stevens said.

Supporters said it can also help address the roots of violence in our communities.

"I see on the news all of these shootings every day,” Currington said. “That comes from people getting out and trying to jump back in and because they don't have any opportunity to do anything different, so they come back to the same thing."

Both Currington and Davis are pressing on with their job searches, and they hope they can help others avoid the hard lessons life has taught them.

"Just don't close the door on us,” Davis said. “Give us a chance. You'd be surprised by what you get. It'll be something great."

Goofy
12-30-2016, 11:52 AM
Maybe they should have thought about that before breaking the law :)

Pony
12-30-2016, 12:12 PM
I think this is pointless. Even if they remove the "felony" box on applications, employers will still do a background check and find out they are felons and not hire them. All this would do is force companies to do background checks on every applicant instead of just those that check "no".

On the other hand there really are a lot of crimes that should not be felonies but are. For example one of the comments on the thread was from a guy who got a DUI 15 years ago after a car accident, his passenger was injured and they charged him with a felony because he was responsible for his passenger getting hurt. Was what he did stupid and illegal? yes. Should it haunt him for the rest of his life? maybe. Should a mistake cause him to never find gainful employment ever again? IMO, no.

RBP
12-30-2016, 12:15 PM
Maybe they should have thought about that before breaking the law :)

I held the same opinion, but I am not so sure any more. The cycle that is created by this is terrible. And the fact is, we all pay for it.

The problem is there is no liability protection. If an employee harms someone, the employer is liable.

I am not sure what the solution is. Maybe have a re-employment program with liability carried through a victims compensation fund with liability protection for the employer?

It seems easier to get a job if you are an illegal alien than an ex-con. That's perpetuating two disasters.

Pony
12-30-2016, 12:43 PM
I am not sure what the solution is.
It seems easier to get a job if you are an illegal alien than an ex-con. That's perpetuating two disasters.

Part of the problem is that most employers automatically disqualify any felon regardless of how long ago and the specific charge. If they would look at everyone on a case by case basis instead of a no hire policy it would help.

Another problem is that some minor crimes are felonies and should not be like having some weed in your pocket and IMO even minor drug dealing. Wipe the felonies from the records for minor offenses and put time limits for others. Major crimes have permanent felony records.

RBP
12-30-2016, 01:29 PM
Part of the problem is that most employers automatically disqualify any felon regardless of how long ago and the specific charge. If they would look at everyone on a case by case basis instead of a no hire policy it would help.

Another problem is that some minor crimes are felonies and should not be like having some weed in your pocket and IMO even minor drug dealing. Wipe the felonies from the records for minor offenses and put time limits for others. Major crimes have permanent felony records.

That seems reasonable.

Most states restrict professional licenses also. So you eliminate a large swath of job opportunities forever.

redred
12-30-2016, 03:45 PM
is ban the box like grab the pussy ?