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RBP
01-25-2017, 12:51 AM
By Dave Graham | MEXICO CITY

Under pressure from President Donald Trump, Mexico is preparing to discuss changes to trade rules about a product's country of origin to try to avoid a disruptive fight with the United States over commerce.

As the two countries begin a difficult new relationship, Mexico sees possible common ground with Trump on the "rules of origin" of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) that binds the two countries and Canada, several sources said.

Rules of origin are regulations setting out where trade products are sourced from. Although formal negotiations about NAFTA have not begun, the rules could eventually be altered to favor U.S. industry over competitors from outside North America, particularly in Asia.

Changes to those rules could help align Mexico with Trump's industrial strategy of boosting U.S. manufacturing jobs and dovetail with the Mexican government's calls to strengthen North American competitiveness.

It could also help pave the way for a broader deal with Trump over border security and immigration, Mexican officials believe.

Talks about NAFTA rules of origin will be a "very important" point of discussion between the two countries now that Trump is in office, a Mexican official said.

A White House official said: "As a general rule, it is in the best interests of the U.S. to insist on strong rules of origin provisions in pursuing bilateral negotiations. Lax rules of origin in proposed treaties like the now defunct Trans-Pacific Partnership shrink and weaken our supply chain and contribute to the offshoring of American jobs."

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray and Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo will hold talks with top Trump officials in Washington on Wednesday and Thursday, where security, migration and trade will be discussed.

Fears of economic disaster have haunted Mexico since Trump won the presidency in November threatening to tear up NAFTA, impose protectionist tariffs and build a wall on the United States' southern border to halt illegal immigration.

While Mexico is reluctant to alter the 1994 trade accord, officials concede that some changes may be necessary to help keep trade open with the United States, which absorbs 80 percent of its exports.

"What we want is to maintain free access for Mexican products, without restrictions, without tariffs and quotas," Videgaray, the spearhead of the government's outreach to Trump, said on Monday.

LESSER EVIL

Speaking on condition of anonymity, two Mexican government officials and four other people familiar with ongoing discussions said Mexico saw rules of origin as an important avenue to brokering a deal with Trump, provided a fair compromise can be reached.

In trade agreements, content rules or rules of origin are often used to determine import duties.

Under NAFTA, 62.5 percent of the material in a car or light truck made in Mexico must be from North America to be able to enter the United States tariff free.

If the countries agree in negotiations, that percentage could be increased, potentially giving an advantage to U.S. industry at the expense of Asian competitors.

For Mexico, changing the rules of origin could be a lesser evil than Trump's threat to impose a 35 percent tax on certain goods made by foreign companies in Mexico for sale in the United States.

Trump's pressure on U.S. automakers such as Ford to build more cars at home worries Mexico, where the industry has been one of the main drivers of growth and accounted for 18.5 percent of manufacturing GDP in 2015.

Trump on Tuesday told the chief executives of the Big Three U.S. automakers - General Motors, Ford and Fiat Chrysler - that he wants to see more auto plants in the United States.

Mexico warned it could pull out of NAFTA if a renegotiation of the pact does not benefit it.

Trump's team is behind the push for changes in the origin rules, seeing it as a means of reducing imports from China, two of the Mexican sources familiar with the matter said.

Trump's nominee for Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, spoke of the importance of content rules in protecting the automotive industry during Senate hearings last week, and Canadian media reported that Ross had told Canada rules of origin would be central to NAFTA talks.

U.S. HARD LINE

NAFTA rules of origin apply to goods made in any of the three countries. Two Mexican sources said the Trump administration could push for national content requirements that would ensure that the United States benefits from changes in rules of origin, and not just the NAFTA region as a whole.

However, that would be more complex to manage, they added.

So as not to hurt companies, any changes would need to be phased in gradually, and the more items that were targeted, the trickier negotiations would be, one of the sources said.

Any deal would need to ensure rules changes applied to all countries, not just to Mexico, one Mexican official said.

Of the foreign carmakers in Mexico, Toyota might be able to handle a higher NAFTA content ratio better than others. Its Camry car, for example, has very high North American and U.S. content.

Other Japanese automakers such as Mazda have a larger proportional reliance on Asia-based suppliers.

Kristin Dziczek, a labor analyst at the Center of Automotive Research, said deepening rules of origin could have some impact on U.S. jobs and would hit some foreign automakers harder - especially those that produce more parts and vehicles outside North America.

The NAFTA rules are in place to prevent China or other lower wage countries from being able to produce the majority of content in a vehicle and export it to another country to assemble it without paying tariffs.

U.S. automakers have not backed tougher rules of origin previously because they wanted flexibility on sourcing parts.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-25-2017, 10:57 AM
President Trump has done more for this country when it comes to the economy and jobs in just a few days than that fucking bastard Obama did in 8 years.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-25-2017, 04:55 PM
President Trump has done more for this country when it comes to the economy and jobs in just a few days than that fucking bastard Obama did in 8 years.

He did more after winning / before being sworn in, to help the US than Obama did the entire time

redred
01-25-2017, 05:03 PM
Is it all on paper so far or do you guys know some who is now employed since trump came to power?

Noilly Pratt
01-25-2017, 05:27 PM
It was a bad move to outsource as much as what's occurred, but can the U.S cope with the jobs coming back? Are American industries ready? Are there enough warm bodies willing to fill the positions?

They will have to produce more to have the same output of the jobs that were once done in foreign lands. If they can't then some US industries (Auto industry, I'm looking at you) will fold, unable to withstand the pressure. His efforts to make things more American may destabilize things further than if they weaned off foreign manufacturing instead.

I think the final analysis will be, right idea but wrong execution.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-25-2017, 05:40 PM
It was a bad move to outsource as much as what's occurred, but can the U.S cope with the jobs coming back? Are American industries ready? Are there enough warm bodies willing to fill the positions?

They will have to produce more to have the same output of the jobs that were once done in foreign lands. If they can't then some US industries (Auto industry, I'm looking at you) will fold, unable to withstand the pressure. His efforts to make things more American may destabilize things further than if they weaned off foreign manufacturing instead.

I think the final analysis will be, right idea but wrong execution.

We have around 9% unemployment, dont listen to the BS numbers the Obama admin liked to spew, there are plenty of people who can work.

https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198

Teh One Who Knocks
01-25-2017, 05:47 PM
We have around 9% unemployment, dont listen to the BS numbers the Obama admin liked to spew, there are plenty of people who can work.

https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198

Exactly, plus add in the fact that we also have the lowest labor force participation rate since 1978, there are plenty of people that would kill for stable good paying jobs.

Noilly Pratt
01-25-2017, 06:18 PM
Exactly, plus add in the fact that we also have the lowest labor force participation rate since 1978, there are plenty of people that would kill for stable good paying jobs.

OK - good. Maybe some good can come of this. Maybe I will be impressed by what Trump is putting forth when the results are in.

My perception was that there wasn't many lesser-skilled workers who'd be willing to take up the slack and a lot of the unemployed would find it beneath them to do, say a factory job.

Godfather
01-25-2017, 07:29 PM
Lance I meant to ask you this in the other thread, but have you read the fact-check.org article on the labor force participation rate (and specifically the graph that always gets posted)? Pretty compelling evidence by economists that the U6 participation rate being as bad as it looks has some natural causes, and it's expected to continue to rise another 10 years. Curious to know your thoughts:

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/declining-labor-participation-rates/

perrhaps
01-25-2017, 07:33 PM
He did more after winning / before being sworn in, to help the US than Obama did the entire time

Isn't it funny what a President can do if he's born with a spine?

PorkChopSandwiches
01-25-2017, 07:40 PM
Its HUUUUUUUGE

Goofy
01-25-2017, 07:47 PM
Its HUUUUUUUGE

*zips up trousers* :oops:

RBP
01-26-2017, 01:22 AM
Lance I meant to ask you this in the other thread, but have you read the fact-check.org article on the labor force participation rate (and specifically the graph that always gets posted)? Pretty compelling evidence by economists that the U6 participation rate being as bad as it looks has some natural causes, and it's expected to continue to rise another 10 years. Curious to know your thoughts:

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/declining-labor-participation-rates/
That explanation makes no sense, but I will read it again. You cannot say those who do not want to work are excluded then use retirees and college students to justify the numbers. I am also curious why all those high powered analysts can't actually explain the data behind the numbers. All estimate and supposition. Why?

I have been looking for hard numbers but that "fact" check doesn't answer the question.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-26-2017, 04:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/lUC1UN8.png

Muddy
01-26-2017, 06:24 PM
Mexico cancelled the meeting.. :lol:

redred
01-26-2017, 06:29 PM
He was worried that he wouldn't get home what with all the water boarding and talks of a wall :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
01-26-2017, 07:22 PM
I dont stop people from going that way across the border

redred
01-26-2017, 07:47 PM
can't have it both ways :lol: no more spring breaks in mexico

PorkChopSandwiches
01-26-2017, 08:02 PM
Trust me, they want us their spending money. The peso keeps dropping daily. Its a great time to visit :)

redred
01-26-2017, 08:32 PM
Your coke prices will go up :lol:

Godfather
01-26-2017, 08:37 PM
Trust me, they want us their spending money. The peso keeps dropping daily. Its a great time to visit :)

I've been to Mexico every year for the past 4-5 years, even with our shitty dollar it's dirt cheap :lol: I'm not complaining

PorkChopSandwiches
01-26-2017, 08:43 PM
Your coke prices will go up :lol:

:lol:

DemonGeminiX
01-27-2017, 01:51 AM
Your coke prices will go up :lol:


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