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Teh One Who Knocks
03-18-2017, 11:24 AM
Ashitha Nagesh for Metro.co.uk


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A man who admitted raping a 12-year-old girl has escaped jail after the judge said she ‘looks older than 16’.

Maggie Scott QC granted Daniel Cieslak an absolute discharge at the High Court in Glasgow on Friday.

Cieslak, 21, was 19 years old when he met the victim and her friend – who were aged 12 and 13 – while waiting in a taxi queue in Edinburgh after a night out in 2015.

After meeting them there, he took them both back to a party with them thinking they were 16 and 17, a statement on the Judiciary of Scotland website said.

‘You understood from chatting in the taxi that the victim was 16 years old, and her friend was 17 years old,’ Lady Scott said.

‘Once at the flat, after some time, you paired off and you and the victim engaged in sexual intercourse. She left the next morning. She had no concerns and there was no suggestion of her being distressed.’

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Maggie Scott QC ruled handed Cieslak an absolute discharge (Picture: PA)

Although the judge said Cieslak was culpable under ‘strict liability’, because victims under 13 are deemed by law to be incapable of consenting to sex, she added that there were ‘a number of exceptional circumstances’ which applied.

She said: ‘The statutory offence for girls aged over 13 to 16 years provides for a defence based on reasonable grounds of belief by the accused that the victim was above the age of consent.’

The judge then said that, had the victim been ‘a few months older’, Cieslak would have had a clearer defence – and cited witnesses who said they all thought the girl was over 16.

She then announced her decision to hand Cieslak an absolute discharge, meaning he would not go to jail or have to sign the sex offenders register.

RBP
03-18-2017, 11:36 AM
Obviously the law is different in the colonies.

redred
03-18-2017, 11:46 AM
I think this was an extreme case with lots of factors

RBP
03-18-2017, 12:04 PM
I think this was an extreme case with lots of factors

There's no exception in US for the perpetrator's belief about age. The underage person can even be in a bar drinking or produce a fake ID, doesn't matter.

Pony
03-18-2017, 12:21 PM
There's no exception in US for the perpetrator's belief about age. The underage person can even be in a bar drinking or produce a fake ID, doesn't matter.

Yup. It's always the guys fault regardless of the circumstances.

deebakes
03-18-2017, 12:47 PM
have there ever been any cases in the reverse like that (underage dude goes to bar with fake id and has sex with older woman)? :?

RBP
03-18-2017, 01:07 PM
have there ever been any cases in the reverse like that (underage dude goes to bar with fake id and has sex with older woman)? :?

http://news.jammedup.com/2017/01/21/canadian-mother-of-3-arrested-in-bahamas-for-having-sex-with-15-year-old/

Hikari Kisugi
03-18-2017, 01:39 PM
I think this was an extreme case with lots of factors

This is exactly it.
She said she was 16, she said it in front of the taxi driver who brought them to the guys party.
She said it again later.
She stayed the night , she left happy.
It was reported later as she was worried she might be pregnant.
She wasn't.

The guy who was 19 at the time, cried his eyes out when told her age.
He had no idea.
He had to be prosecuted due to the age, thus auto prosecution, with complete discharge at the end

deebakes
03-18-2017, 03:03 PM
http://news.jammedup.com/2017/01/21/canadian-mother-of-3-arrested-in-bahamas-for-having-sex-with-15-year-old/

so not in the u.s. then :-k

RBP
03-18-2017, 03:10 PM
so not in the u.s. then :-k

I haven't seen one

Teh One Who Knocks
03-18-2017, 03:14 PM
This is exactly it.
She said she was 16, she said it in front of the taxi driver who brought them to the guys party.
She said it again later.
She stayed the night , she left happy.
It was reported later as she was worried she might be pregnant.
She wasn't.

I can tell everyone that i'm Batman, doesn't make me Batman.

RBP
03-18-2017, 03:43 PM
I can tell everyone that i'm Batman, doesn't make me Batman.

But isn't that exactly what made Batman batman? He was just some dude until he said "I'm Batman". :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-18-2017, 04:28 PM
But isn't that exactly what made Batman batman? He was just some dude until he said "I'm Batman". :lol:
:slap:

RBP
03-18-2017, 07:19 PM
:dance:

Muddy
03-18-2017, 07:30 PM
There's no exception in US for the perpetrator's belief about age. The underage person can even be in a bar drinking or produce a fake ID, doesn't matter.

Fake id, still guilty.. thats fucked up..

RBP
03-18-2017, 07:35 PM
Fake id, still guilty.. thats fucked up..

I don't disagree. Guys do time after sleeping with women they've been partying with at a bar.

redred
03-18-2017, 08:57 PM
still a tough call imo

Griffin
03-18-2017, 09:32 PM
is that her in the black pantsuit and white tie?

redred
03-18-2017, 09:40 PM
is that her in the black pantsuit and white tie?

yes :lol:

Griffin
03-18-2017, 09:46 PM
I can see the confusion about her age then.

redred
03-18-2017, 09:47 PM
:lol: your very old