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redred
03-24-2017, 09:12 PM
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A vote on US President Donald Trump's healthcare bill has been withdrawn at the last minute after it failed to gain enough support to pass in Congress.
House Speaker Paul Ryan said he and Mr Trump agreed to pull the vote, after it became apparent it would not get the minimum of 215 Republican votes needed.
The withdrawal is seen as a huge blow to Mr Trump.
Repealing and replacing the programme known as Obamacare was one of his major election pledges.
Earlier on Friday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said that the vote would go ahead at 15:30 (19:30 GMT).
Mr Trump had reportedly warned Republicans that if they did not vote for his bill then they would be stuck with Barack Obama's healthcare programme for good.
However, multiple reports suggested that between 28 and 35 Republicans were opposed to his draft American Health Care Act.
The vote was withdrawn shortly after 15:30, and the House is now in recess.

Republicans currently have a majority in both the House and the Senate.
However, some Republicans were unhappy that the bill cut health coverage too severely, while others felt the changes did not go far enough.
Mr Trump blamed the Democrats for not supporting the bill and predicted that Obamacare would "explode".
He said the Republicans would probably focus on tax reform for now.
"We have to let Obamacare go its own way for a little while," he said, predicting that the Democrats would "reach out when they're ready".

Earlier, Mr Ryan told reporters: "We came really close today, but we came up short."
"I will not sugar coat this. This is a disappointing day for us. Doing big things is hard.
"We are going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future," he added - but vowed that it was "not the end of the story".
Meanwhile, Democrat and House minority leader Nancy Pelosi described it as "a victory for the American people".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

redred
03-24-2017, 09:16 PM
Republicans currently have a majority in both the House and the Senate.

i thought this meant that anything trump came up with would be passed but what with this and the travel ban thing it's not the case , why isn't he getting the support from what should be his own side ?

DemonGeminiX
03-24-2017, 10:03 PM
Presidents don't write laws, Congress (the House and Senate) does. It was up to Congress to write the bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. There are factions in both parties that demand different things. The different factions of the Republicans in the House of Representatives couldn't come to a consensus on what should be in the bill. Trump tried to negotiate with them but couldn't get them to agree on terms. They'll come back to it later.

lost in melb.
03-24-2017, 10:17 PM
They need to get this puppy right first time

redred
03-24-2017, 10:32 PM
Presidents don't write laws, Congress (the House and Senate) does. It was up to Congress to write the bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. There are factions in both parties that demand different things. The different factions of the Republicans in the House of Representatives couldn't come to a consensus on what should be in the bill. Trump tried to negotiate with them but couldn't get them to agree on terms. They'll come back to it later.
Thanks

DemonGeminiX
03-24-2017, 10:51 PM
They need to get this puppy right first time

It's gonna be wicked hard to do. It always was going to be hard. When the Democrats passed Obamacare, they did it without ever seeing it first (Nancy Pelosi's infamous "if you want to know what's in it, you have to pass it to see it"). That's not how our government is supposed to work and a lot of people feel that the Dems got away with murder by doing that. If they had stopped to look at what was in Obamacare, it never would have passed and those responsible for writing it knew it. At the very least, the Republicans are doing it the right way: They're not passing shit blindly and they're fighting like cats and dogs over every last detail. It's inefficient, but it's the way it's supposed to be.

Personally, I think they're going about it all wrong. They shouldn't be passing a huge omnibus bill. They should make separate individual bills out of each item of the huge bill and fight over the individual items as they deal with them. They probably would get some stuff done and passed. Maybe not all of it, and definitely not all at once, but a lot of it will get through in time.

lost in melb.
03-24-2017, 10:58 PM
They probably think that an Omnibus Bill is necessary as they think it will only work as a coherent packaged whole with smooth running connected parts.

Perhaps this is a foresight and they should try just getting through as much good legislation as they can, bit by bit

DemonGeminiX
03-24-2017, 11:03 PM
That's the excuse, but when you look at some of the individual parts, they could stand on their own without everything else. One example: Preexisting conditions. Telling insurance companies that they can't discriminate against those with preexisting conditions and creating the legal framework for dealing with those that violate that condition certainly isn't dependent on anything else.

KevinD
03-25-2017, 11:21 PM
Title is a bit misleading imho. Trump as far as I know, didn't have anything to do with creating the bill. Before you say it, Obama, on the other hand did in fact work hand in hand with the Democrats in framing the ACA. Wiki actually has a decent cover of the AHCA.

PorkChopSandwiches
03-27-2017, 03:45 PM
Repeal and start over

KevinD
03-27-2017, 09:33 PM
Repeal and start over

Agreed. Ryan and company started the "repeal & replace" years ago. Pissed me off then and still does.