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Teh One Who Knocks
07-27-2017, 12:22 PM
Joseph R. Murray II, Opinion contributor - USA Today


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"There is always inequity in life," President John F. Kennedy said in a 1962 press conference. "It's very hard in military or personal life to assure complete equality. Life is unfair."

Almost six decades later, President Trump made the unfair but correct decision to refuse applications of transgender individuals from the military. He tweeted that "our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail."

How is Trump wrong? Unlike being gay or lesbian, transgender individuals face a whole array of social and logistical hurdles.

The plight of the transgender people, though very real, is extremely fluid. Some in the transgender communities are still struggling with their own identities. Look at Harvard swimmer Schuyler Bailar.

In 2016, CBS's 60 Minutes did a segment detailing Bailar's struggle. Bailar won a scholarship to Harvard's female swim team but identifies as male. During the interview, Bailar - who had top surgery removing his breasts - was asked if he would forgo the ability to have children. Bailer would not rule out childbirth. Thus, Bailer wants the world to accept him as male, but does not want to surrender his female identity.

This is not a dig at Bailar, as he should be applauded for his courage, but merely an example of the many issues presented by transgenderism. These issues are emotional and difficult to solve, thus making the U.S. military an improper forum for their exploration. With North Korea, Syria, and ISIS posing serious threats, the U.S. military needs to be focused on defeating these enemies and not locker rooms, restrooms, and re-assignment surgeries.

Opposition to Trump's decision centers around fairness, for in a culture conditioned by political correctness, it seems unfair to single out transgender service members just because of who they are. And frankly the argument is correct; it is unfair.

As JFK noted, however, the military (like life) is never fair. It is the nature of the beast. The military is about success and preparedness; it is about national security and uniformity. The idea that the military can be part of a grand egalitarian utopia is not only pie-in-the-sky, it is a dangerous proposition that does little to keep America safe.

Trump foes, especially on the LGBT Left, are unwilling to even consider Trump's reasoning. On the website for the Human Rights Campaign, a leading LGBT rights group, it read: "Trump launches an all-out assault on service members." HRC President Chad Griffin said the president has "put a target on the backs" of transgender active duty personnel.

Such violent metaphors are inaccurate. They are also dangerous in light of what happened last month at a congressional baseball practice, when James T. Hodgkinson put actual targets on the backs of GOP lawmakers.

Griffin also said Trump was trying to "drag LGBTQ people back into the closet." Was President Barack Obama trying to drag gays back into the closet when he campaigned against marriage equality in 2008? Was Bill Clinton putting a padlock on the closet when he instituted don't ask, don't tell?

Trump was the first U.S. president to enter 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue supporting marriage equality. When Hillary Clinton was backing her husband's decision to sign the Defense of Marriage Act that limited gay rights, Trump was an LGBT trailblazer in opening his Mar-a-Lago club to gay couples.

It is short-sighted to call Trump anti-LGBT. Supporting LGBT rights does not mean that you have to be an LGBT Santa Claus who continually stuffs the stockings and leaves presents under the tree. Trump has to make decisions for the nation, not one group, and sometimes that means you don't get what you want.

When it comes to LGBT politics it is sexuality first, country second. It is just the opposite when you are POTUS. Trump's decision may be unfair, but it was not incorrect.

redred
07-27-2017, 01:56 PM
gays and lezzers will be next

Muddy
07-27-2017, 01:57 PM
We'll see.. They have become more mainstream these days.

The Monk
07-27-2017, 02:08 PM
gays and lezzers will be next

followed by Hispanics, blacks, Muslims..... :?:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-27-2017, 03:01 PM
This is a financial decision, gays and lesbians dont cost any more than straight people

Teh One Who Knocks
07-27-2017, 03:04 PM
This is a financial decision, gays and lesbians dont cost any more than straight people

I dunno, have you seen what some of those flaming gays wear? They like high end fashion stuff...pretty soon they'll demand that the US Army get their uniforms from Gucci or Versace :-k

Muddy
07-27-2017, 03:06 PM
This is a financial decision, gays and lesbians dont cost any more than straight people

Possibly. It may also be a smoke screen. I personally think he just committed political suicide.

redred
07-27-2017, 03:55 PM
Can't he get sued for discrimination?

PorkChopSandwiches
07-27-2017, 04:00 PM
Possibly. It may also be a smoke screen. I personally think he just committed political suicide.

He may just being saying it to get the (D) off track. Now they have to focus on this instead :lol:

Griffin
07-27-2017, 09:09 PM
I'm sure the frutcakes can find their own back alley doctor willing to do an erectile removal or an addadicktome surgery.

The Monk
07-28-2017, 02:57 AM
In his typical wankerish manner he announced it via Twitter taking three tweets to complete his statement. The first just left people hanging..... to the final Tweet 9 minutes later.

This is not the sort of news that should be announced via Twitter!!

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RBP
07-28-2017, 03:52 AM
Possibly. It may also be a smoke screen. I personally think he just committed political suicide.

How so? Most of his base will love this.

RBP
07-28-2017, 03:53 AM
In his typical wankerish manner he announced it via Twitter taking three tweets to complete his statement. The first just left people hanging..... to the final Tweet 9 minutes later.

This is not the sort of news that should be announced via Twitter!!

This is example A. All the resistance cares about is form, not substance.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-28-2017, 02:59 PM
This is example A. All the resistance cares about is form, not substance.

:qft:

Why care about the substance, it's more important that he was mean and some people had their widdle feewings hurted. :sad:

Godfather
07-28-2017, 03:12 PM
Sorry, but I'd bet anything if Obama had tweeted a controversial policy like this, the other side would lose their minds about both the form and the substance too :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-28-2017, 03:53 PM
Where were the daily marches or sit-ins or protests or anything like that by conservatives and/or republicans for the 8 years Dear Leader was in office? There weren't any. Sure, the conservative media would complain and there would be a few minor things that happened, but nothing that even begins to compare in the scale is what has happened since Trump won the election. They have been non-stop and in your face. They haven't stopped bitching and moaning and crying and whining for 5 minutes. And they are whining about bullshit things for no reason that to throw a temper tantrum.

Muddy
07-28-2017, 06:15 PM
How so? Most of his base will love this.

Maybe his hard core, right wing, Christian hate anybody that's different than them base... I can tell you though.. The normal people like myself that don't buy into all the religious mumbo jumbo make believe shit that apparently drives these wackos minds, we dont love it.. We understand some of its reasoning but we also don't think these people should be thrown out in the streets and all their career work to be thrown in the trash..


I'm sure the frutcakes can find their own back alley doctor willing to do an erectile removal or an addadicktome surgery.

And for you Griffin, I think you are fucked up guy. I hope one day you do some actual research and recognize these people aren't "fruitcakes" They have a condition called gender dysphoria.

Here's a link if you give a shit.. If you don't, then you and I have nothing further to say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

Griffin
07-29-2017, 12:31 AM
So I believe that cock = male and that vagina = female. I also think that being gay is a personal preference and choice therefore having nothing to do with being trapped in the wrong body.

Excuse the fuck out of me for having an opinion. I guess next I'll be chastised for owning guns and believing in the death sentence.

Griffin
07-29-2017, 02:10 AM
And as far as normal people like yourself... Fuck you and your self serving perception.

Pony
07-29-2017, 05:25 AM
Heads up: if this escalates I'm locking the thread.

The Monk
07-29-2017, 08:17 AM
How so? Most of his base will love this.

That base is constantly decreasing - even his own party have chided him for the manner in which this was handled...

I love his comment - "MY GENERALS" - I thought they were America's.

The Monk
07-29-2017, 08:18 AM
Heads up: if this escalates I'm locking the thread.

Like if we start likening him to Hitler? :lol:

redred
07-29-2017, 09:11 AM
:slap: he does not want all his followers to be blue eyed blonde haired yet

Hikari Kisugi
07-29-2017, 11:28 AM
I did find it odd, that they reported the medical additional bills and needs at around $8M per year, yet the military spends many times that already on Viagra.
Weird.

RBP
07-29-2017, 12:49 PM
And so everyone argues about cocks and vaginas, nature versus nurture... gets mad, screams about Trump, sends me texts about Scaramucci sounding like Joe Pesci... or whatever... nobody is paying any attention to anything real, it's all cult of personality and social issue bullshit.

If the subterfuge is intentional, it's pretty effective.

I continue to ignore everything.

Muddy
07-29-2017, 03:09 PM
So I believe that cock = male and that vagina = female. I also think that being gay is a personal preference and choice therefore having nothing to do with being trapped in the wrong body.

Excuse the fuck out of me for having an opinion.

We do have a fundamental difference in that regard.. With that difference it pissed me off when you call them names. We see eye to eye on most things but this subject we seem to have hit a brick wall.

Griffin
07-29-2017, 04:40 PM
alls cool. I haven't started drinking yet today. :beer: