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Teh One Who Knocks
09-07-2017, 11:05 AM
Lenore Skenazy - reason.com


https://i.imgur.com/lNQmMTs.jpg

Adrian Crook, the dad behind the blog 5Kids1Condo, taught his four oldest kids—ages 7, 8, 9, and 11—how to ride the city bus to and from school for the past two years in Vancouver.

The result? Fantastic. The kids love it, and became friends with the bus drivers. Once Adrian even received an email from a random bus passenger saying what a pleasure his well-behaved kids were.

But (you knew there had to be a but) recently someone reported these "unsupervised" kids to the Ministry of Children and Family Development—the Canadian equivalent of Child Protective Services—and the agency opened an inquiry. They came to Adrian's house and interviewed each child separately. Aware of the stakes, Adrian tried to be cordial. He provided character references. And, adds Crook:


I even suggested the Ministry shadow the kids on a bus ride, but they declined.

While the Ministry conducted their weeks-long investigation, they had me sign a "Safety Plan" stating that the kids wouldn't take the bus alone until the investigation was completed. I returned to spending several hours a day transiting the kids back and forth from school, a reduction in freedom the kids didn't understand.

Then decision day finally came.

Can you guess what happened? My guess is that you can:


It started off in a favourable way, with the supervisor insisting that I'd gone "above and beyond" what any parent should have to do to train their kids to be responsible and conscious transit riders….

Ultimately, however, For the Ministry had checked with their lawyers "across the country" and the Attorney General, and determined that children under 10 years old could not be unsupervised in or outside the home, for any amount of time. That included not just the bus, but even trips across the street to our corner store, a route I can survey in its entirety from my living room window.

That bizarre and benighted decision was based on a British Columbia case we've discussed here, in which a judge ruled that no child under 10 can stay home alone. As terrible as that decision was, it was irrelevant to Crook's situation. That was about one 8-year-old, home alone, not four kids together, on the bus.

So what? Crook continues:


The Ministry also said that in other provinces, the legal age to be unsupervised is much higher. In fact, only three provinces have legislated minimum ages at which kids can be left home alone (and BC isn't one of them): Ontario (16), New Brunswick (12) and Manitoba (12). Only Quebec has a statutory minimum age for being left alone in a vehicle, and that's 7 years old.

Does anyone really think there are no children under 16 being left unsupervised in Ontario?

Of course not. But does anyone really think common sense is what we're talking about here? The social workers gave every made-up reason for grounding the kids:

[They] stated that the comparatively wide-ranging freedoms we enjoyed in our childhood were, "before we knew better" – despite widely available crime statistics that demonstrate our kids live in a safer world today than the one we grew up in. ….

Anyone who knows me can tell you I'm a firm believer in evidence-based policy-making, so this fear-driven assertion rung hollow for me.

What's more, the kids already had been taking the bus for two years—safely! So clearly this investigation "safety" plan was only in reaction to the busybody's call, for that is all it takes:


It's a "Cover Your Ass" culture, where even if a trivial issue is reported the Ministry cannot condone it, lest they be responsible for future issues. The Ministry has no incentive or ability to dismiss a report or allow a situation to continue – regardless of how many steps a parent has taken to ensure the safety and well-being of their children.

Our family's freedom of mobility has been dramatically restricted for little reason beyond the complaint of an anonymous person.

The dad is running a GoFundMe page to pay for the legal case he hopes to make against the government. In the meantime, he reminds us all that when the state insists that the only acceptable parenting is helicopter parenting, it is committing a serious crime of its own: robbery. It "robs our children of agency, independence, and responsibility."

Muddy
09-07-2017, 02:24 PM
I can't read all that.. I tried but I couldn't do it.. :d

Teh One Who Knocks
09-07-2017, 03:51 PM
Yeah, that takes all of 3 minutes to read, it's like a freaking novel ffs


:facepalm:

Muddy
09-07-2017, 03:59 PM
I tried man...

Muddy
09-07-2017, 04:00 PM
Can I just comment based on the thread title now?

Teh One Who Knocks
09-07-2017, 04:20 PM
Don't you usually? :rofl:

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:02 PM
Rather have my kids on the bus than walking miles along city streets :shrug:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-07-2017, 06:04 PM
Rather have my kids on the bus than walking miles along city streets :shrug:

They can't walk the city streets by themselves either :nono:

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:07 PM
They can't walk the city streets by themselves either :nono:

Sure they can. We just buy them The Lil American School Outfit (tm) that consists of a kevlar onesie and 9mm in the lunchbox.

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:08 PM
:lol: sorry about that one

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:09 PM
:dance:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcv5NhiVSbI

Muddy
09-07-2017, 06:13 PM
Id like to finger Demi Lovato.

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:17 PM
RBP lives for her thighs.

Muddy
09-07-2017, 06:20 PM
He's just being a catty female..

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:21 PM
he's jealous because her ass looks just like his

Muddy
09-07-2017, 06:22 PM
I dont know if you have seen her lately but she is in pretty good shape.. :lol:

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:24 PM
I wouldn't say no...it's still nice to fire shots at the celebs...

She won't read her social media now because people like RBP were fat shaming her in posts :lol:

Muddy
09-07-2017, 06:25 PM
He should stick to sending 'Pink' love letters and begging her for clippings of her hair..

Muddy
09-07-2017, 06:33 PM
She looks great here..

http://i63.tinypic.com/rqvvxg.jpg

Hal-9000
09-07-2017, 06:40 PM
whenever I see thighs like that I think - chicken parts on sale :yumyum: