Mass shooting at music festival on the Las Vegas strip

[Godfather]

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A gunman opened fire during a country music festival in Las Vegas on Sunday night — shooting multiple people with a high-powered assault rifle before fleeing the scene, according to reports.

At least 24 people were shot, including two fatally, according to Reuters.

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Las Vegas police responded to the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino at around 10 p.m. after receiving calls about an active shooter targeting concertgoers at the Route 91 country music fest.

About an hour later police confirmed at least one suspect is down.

“This is an active investigation,” they added.

Cops were urging people to avoid the area as SWAT teams searched for the gunman.

Witnesses reported seeing a police officer down, but authorities couldn’t immediately confirm this.

University Medical Center spokeswoman Danita Cohen said the local hospital had taken in “several” people with gunshot wounds. She didn’t offer any more details.

One Las Vegas hospital reported treating at least 20 victims with gunshot wounds, according to KABC.

Professional poker player and Instagram star Dan Bilzerian, who was at the concert, said on his IG story that he saw the shooting unfold and witnessed a girl getting shot right in front of him.

“Holy f–k this girl just got shot in the f–king head,” Bilzerian said. “So f–king crazy…So I had to go grab a gun, I’m f–king heading back…Some kind of mass shooting…Guy had a heavy caliber weapon for sure…Saw a girl f–king get shot in the face right next to me, her brains f–king hanging out.”

Another witness, who spoke to News3LV, recalled how “bullets were flying everywhere” and concertgoers were running.

“They were firing from somewhere high and they were unloading clip after clip after clip after clip,” the man said.

A female concertgoer added, “we all got on the floor, crawling out, rushing.”

Witnesses reported seeing muzzle flashes coming from the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay casino — across from where the convert venue was — and the sound of automatic gunfire.

Video footage captured at the concert showed festivalgoers cowering in fear and running for their lives as gunshots continue to ring out all around them.

The gunman reportedly opened fire during country music star Jason Aldean’s set, sparking chaos in the crowd.

“The band ran off stage and it was pandemonium,” attendee Jon Bessette told NBC News. “Everyone was running, people were getting trampled.”

Authorities were forced to shut down Las Vegas Blvd and divert lights on Sunday night as they hunted for the shooter.

Cops were reportedly descending on several casinos and businesses along the strip during the search.

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[Teh One Who Knocks]

FOX News and The Associated Press


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A gunman turned a Las Vegas concert into a killing field Sunday night, murdering at least 50 people and injuring more than 200 others in the deadliest mass shooting in modern United States history.

The suspect, who was killed, was identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, a local resident. Authorities also said they were "confident" Paddock's roommate, Marilou Danley, had been located. Officials previously described Danley as a person of interest.
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Officials did not immediately reveal a motive.

Authorities said one on-duty officer was in critical condition and another was wounded in the shooting. Two off-duty police officers attending the concert were killed.

The gunman, who fired down on the concert from a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, was killed by police.

Authorities first received calls about an active shooting at about 10:08 p.m.

Country music star Jason Aldean was performing at the Route 91 Harvest Festival when the gunfire erupted.

Aldean was performing his last song of the night. Initially, those in attendance said they thought the sound was firecrackers. But as the shots continued, Aldean stopped singing and some concertgoers could be heard yelling to each other to get down.

One witness told KSVN that he heard “hundreds of shots.” The gunfire was rapid and reportedly confused with firecrackers.

"It sounded like a machine gun," one vendor told Fox News. "It sounded like more than one machine gun."

Authorities said law enforcement swarmed the hotel and killed the gunman in a room on the 32nd floor. Responding officers used an explosive device to force the door open into the room to shoot Paddock dead, law enforcement officials told Fox News.

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Some concertgoers stayed behind to offer help to those around them.

“Everybody I saw breathing, I helped.” a concertgoer told Fox News.

Kodiak Yazzi, 36, said the music stopped temporarily and started up again before another round of pops sent the performers ducking for cover and fleeing the stage.

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As the 40,000 fans in the crowd began to flee, Yazzi took cover and said he saw flashes of light coming from the Mandalay Bay hotel tower high above.
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"This was obviously well-planned, they waited for a major, open air event, and obtained a room facing it,” retired FBI special agent and former national FBI spokesman John Iannarelli, who drove past the scene of the event just moments before the shooting took place, told Fox News. “I can see the flashing blue police lights from my hotel window.”

Iannarelli added that the suspect “probably had inside help” from the girlfriend in the room, making her a “criminal accomplice.”

“They were well-trained,” Iannarelli said, noting the use of automatic weapons. “That’s not an easy task.”
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Iannarelli added that the two used “expensive guns and ammunition.”

“It is too early to tell,” Iannarelli said of what their motivation could have been. “Is this a lone wolf inspired by others? This is exactly the type of attack the U.S. has been fearing would come to our shores.”

Iannarelli noted that FBI and police are going to speak with every friend and relative, and are conducting forensic review of the suspects’ computers and phones.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

FOX News


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The suspected gunman behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history was a 64-year-old Nevada resident who stocked his hotel room with weapons before unleashing the carnage outside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, police said.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said Stephen Paddock, from Mesquite, was confronted and killed on the 32nd floor of the facility, across the street from the Route 91 Harvest Festival concert.

Paddock is believed to have checked in as a hotel guest before the attack, which left at least 50 people dead and more than 200 injured, The Associated Press reported.

"We've located numerous firearms within the room that he occupied," Lombardo told the media.

"We have no idea what his belief system was," he added. "Right now, we believe he was the sole aggressor and the scene is static."

Responding officers used an explosive device to force the door open into the room to shoot Paddock dead, law enforcement officials told Fox News.

Federal law enforcement sources told Fox News that Paddock "was known to local authorities," in Las Vegas. But police in Mesquite, where Paddock lived, said he never had any run-ins with officers, the Desert Valley Times reported.

Authorities also said they were "confident" Paddock's roommate, Marilou Danley, had been located. Officials previously described Danley as a person of interest.

The pair lived in a retirement community in Mesquite, about an hour northeast of Las Vegas.

Paddock apparently was the manager of the apartment complex -- which was being searched early Monday morning -- Fox 5 News reported.

[Goofy]

:rip:

[RBP]

:shock:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Reports now saying more than 400 people injured and sent to the hospitals

[Muddy]

A friend of mine is there.

[Goofy]

:wha:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

A friend of mine is there.

In Vegas in general or were they at this concert? And are they okay?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

58 dead and 515 wounded now :|

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Crazy

[Muddy]

In Vegas in general or were they at this concert? And are they okay?

He was there for the event but was in his hotel room... He live streamed some of the craziness last night.. pop pop pop pop pop pop.. Sounded like Iraq..

(Porky, this is my buddy I texted you the song the other day) Tony.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Brian Flood, Fox News


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A top lawyer for CBS said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.

Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.

“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.

Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”

Geftman-Gold is presumably referring to Sandy Hook, which occurred in Newtown, Connecticut back in 2012. A 20-year-old gunman, Adam Lanza, killed 20 children and six adults during the tragic event that sparked intense political debates regarding gun control.

Geftman-Gold does not work directly with the network’s news division. According to her LinkedIn bio, Geftman-Gold has worked at CBS since September 2016 and graduated from Columbia University law school in 2000.

“CBS is looking into the matter,” a company spokeswoman told Fox News.

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[Hal-9000]

"“So f–king crazy…So I had to go grab a gun, I’m f–king heading back..."

I'm not saying you shouldn't defend yourself...hell if you have a clear visual on the shooter by all means take the shot...but is this the best thing to do in the chaotic initial moments?

what a horrible situation, Christ

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Listening to the audio of when the gunman (not going to type his name even tho it's in the stories above, he doesn't deserve it) opened fire. Sure sounded like fully automatic weaponry to me, not semi-auto.

[Hal-9000]

Listening to the audio of when the gunman (not going to type his name even tho it's in the stories above, he doesn't deserve it) opened fire. Sure sounded like fully automatic weaponry to me, not semi-auto.

With 50 people dead and over 200 people injured...not sure what the time frame was...from an elevated position...this POS made sure the carnage level was extreme. You almost want to hear an insane ISIS terrorist was behind it, rather than the alternative we're reading here.

[Hal-9000]

58 dead and 515 wounded now :|

those poor fucking people :|

[Hal-9000]

I'm a little sensitive today admittedly... I'm sincerely grateful none of you guys are down there near this horror show.

[DemonGeminiX]

Listening to the audio of when the gunman (not going to type his name even tho it's in the stories above, he doesn't deserve it) opened fire. Sure sounded like fully automatic weaponry to me, not semi-auto.

They were talking about that on the news. When they got to him, they found several full auto rifles.

It's not easy to get those.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

They were talking about that on the news. When they got to him, they found several full auto rifles.

It's not easy to get those.

Not legally, but if you have access to a milling machine or similar, it can be converted. Highly illegal, but it's not really that difficult.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

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I'm thinking he had this planned for a long time...

[Pony]

Not legally, but if you have access to a milling machine or similar, it can be converted. Highly illegal, but it's not really that difficult.

The vast majority don't have the skill level. It would be easier to build a bomb.

One of the news sources said that he obtained them legally? I'm taking everything with a grain of salt right now but with a clean record it's possible.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

The vast majority don't have the skill level. It would be easier to build a bomb.

One of the news sources said that he obtained them legally? I'm taking everything with a grain of salt right now but with a clean record it's possible.

Have you seen the price of Class 3 firearms? No way he spent 10's of thousands of dollars to acquire these legally. Plus you need a special license and need to be vetted by ATF/FBI before you can even get a permit to own one. Plus, the transfer time from dealer to individual averages somewhere around 3 to 4 months for every transaction. Plus, no civilian can possess a machine gun manufactured AFTER May 1986 except for law enforcement and military so there is a finite quantity available.

It really isn't that hard to switch one over (semi to full) and you can find the instructions online.

Not saying that's what happened and maybe you're right, they were obtained legally, but I find that really hard to believe. Like you said, we have to take every little bit of news coming out this soon with a grain of salt.

[DemonGeminiX]

By Brian Flood, Fox News


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A top lawyer for CBS said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.

Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.

“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.

Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”

Geftman-Gold is presumably referring to Sandy Hook, which occurred in Newtown, Connecticut back in 2012. A 20-year-old gunman, Adam Lanza, killed 20 children and six adults during the tragic event that sparked intense political debates regarding gun control.

Geftman-Gold does not work directly with the network’s news division. According to her LinkedIn bio, Geftman-Gold has worked at CBS since September 2016 and graduated from Columbia University law school in 2000.

“CBS is looking into the matter,” a company spokeswoman told Fox News.

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CBS fired her.

[Griffin]

CBS fired her.

Good! She may have the right to free speech but she also has the responsibility to face the consequences for her ignorance.

[lost in melb.]

Listening to the audio of when the gunman (not going to type his name even tho it's in the stories above, he doesn't deserve it) opened fire. Sure sounded like fully automatic weaponry to me, not semi-auto.

"Earlier reports, from firearms expert Massad Ayoob, raised the possibility that Paddock had fitted his gun with a special device to fire at a rate “faster than almost any human being is able to pull a trigger”.

Ahoob said he may have fitted a semi-automatic gun with a “Hellfire or a bump-fire device”, which are legal to obtain."

[lost in melb.]

From the guitarist

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[lost in melb.]

59 dead so far. Plus who knows how many life-long injuries. Condolences from Aus :(

[DemonGeminiX]

From the guitarist

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Sorry, but this guy never really understood what the second amendment is really for. Anyone saying that they're switching their position and demanding gun control after this senseless tragedy has never really understood what the second amendment is for. I'm sorry for all those that died. My heart is broken for them, their families, and their friends. It's a terrible, unimaginable loss. You may find this abhorrent, tone deaf, or whatever...but this is absolutely true: this is the cost we pay for freedom. That's just the way it is. Anyone from another country that argues with that doesn't live in a free society, nor understands what it truly means to be free. Anyone from this nation that argues with that has lost the plot.

This is the last post I allow on this board regarding the USA and our guns. I don't care what anybody else says. I will delete any and every other post and/or thread dedicated to pushing gun control in the USA. This is not a discussion we are going to have anymore. I'm done.

And Lost, fuck you for using this as an opportunity to bring it up. Anyone who uses a tragedy to push their political agenda is fucking scum.

[lost in melb.]

Sorry, but this guy never really understood what the second amendment is really for. Anyone saying that they're switching their position and demanding gun control after this senseless tragedy has never really understood what the second amendment is for. I'm sorry for all those that died. My heart is broken for them, their families, and their friends. It's a terrible, unimaginable loss. You may find this abhorrent, tone deaf, or whatever...but this is absolutely true: this is the cost we pay for freedom. That's just the way it is. Anyone from another country that argues with that doesn't live in a free society, nor understands what it truly means to be free. Anyone from this nation that argues with that has lost the plot.

This is the last post I allow on this board regarding the USA and our guns. I don't care what anybody else says. I will delete any and every other post and/or thread dedicated to pushing gun control in the USA. This is not a discussion we are going to have anymore. I'm done.

And Lost, fuck you for using this as an opportunity to bring it up. Anyone who uses a tragedy to push their political agenda is fucking scum.

Oh, take it easy. It was the guitarist from the band, and I believe he could have a bit of perspective and validity to his points that armchair enthusiasts of the second amendment don't have. There are further points, but it seems that you have taken over as moral arbitrator, judge, jury and executioner/CEO for this board so why bother. I'm really surprised actually - even though you might be upset I thought you had greater maturity and tolerance to behave like this. You must feel really personally threatened so as to ruin your good points and quite frankly put a sour note on my evening with your strong-arm tactics.

Thanks for the fuck you as well. Have a great day :hi:

[PorkChopSandwiches]

They were talking about that on the news. When they got to him, they found several full auto rifles.

It's not easy to get those.

Doesn't sound like full auto, but bump stocks

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Doesn't sound like full auto, but bump stocks

Listen again, it's definitely full auto and law enforcement told the Associated Press that at least 2 of the weapons had been modified (illegally) from semi to full.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Im not talking about hearing the shots. Im talking about hearing the latest news

https://apnews.com/e74a33083fb84b1b94c1ce3da986fd4f

[Teh One Who Knocks]

That story is completely wrong. A bump stock doesn't magically convert a semi-auto into a full-auto, it mimics it closely, but it's still not the same thing. Sorry, but whoever wrote that story has it full of #FakeNews

[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-fully-automatic-guns-found-in-shooter-s-1506974803-htmlstory.html

[PorkChopSandwiches]

:hand: LA Times is dumb as shit, they know nothing when speaking about guns. Notice they didn't even mention they gun type.

Here is anoither
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/03/what-gun-used-las-vegas-shooting/726743001/#

Nobody else seems to be claiming fully auto except the liberals ;) And multiple sources are saying bump stock

I guess we will see tomorrow when they release the rest of the info

[Muddy]

I heard some tapes and it sounded full auto to me..

[PorkChopSandwiches]

A bump stock would give you that. My point being the media always wants to throw around automatic weapons when it almost never is. That being said fully auto is LEGAL in NV

[Teh One Who Knocks]

A bump stock would give you that. My point being the media always wants to throw around automatic weapons when it almost never is. That being said fully auto is LEGAL in NV

Full auto is legal in almost every state, however, you need to pass a background check by ATF/FBI and the transfer of EACH automatic weapon takes anywhere from 3 to 4 months on average. Plus, civilians can only own automatic weapons that were made PRIOR to 1986. Any automatic weapon made after 1986 can only be possessed by the police or the military, no exceptions.

[Hal-9000]

...but this is absolutely true: this is the cost we pay for freedom. That's just the way it is...

This is the last post I allow on this board regarding the USA and our guns. I don't care what anybody else says. I will delete any and every other post and/or thread dedicated to pushing gun control in the USA. This is not a discussion we are going to have anymore. I'm done.

And Lost, fuck you for...


Wow. I don't have a political agenda to push but this post doesn't even allow a discussion to occur. This may illustrate part of the problem. Just because people live outside of America, it shouldn't mean their observations or opinions have less value. Something needs to change in the US and if you don't agree, perhaps just say that? Constantly associating a potential discussion of change with a political agenda is a narrow viewpoint, to be polite.

I'm going to hit the road now. Ban me, delete the post, do whatever you need to satisfy the emotion I felt in your post DGX. But know that we are your friends and sometimes people who live at ground zero can be wrong for whatever reason. I think you're way off here.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Full auto is legal in almost every state, however, you need to pass a background check by ATF/FBI and the transfer of EACH automatic weapon takes anywhere from 3 to 4 months on average. Plus, civilians can only own automatic weapons that were made PRIOR to 1986. Any automatic weapon made after 1986 can only be possessed by the police or the military, no exceptions.

I understand that

[Muddy]

I sometimes don't even discuss politics outside of this forum with my friends. It's become such a hot topic and I don't want to go to deep there. I like to enjoy my time and not conflict with them over it. Anyway.. Sometimes I tread lightly around here too If I know someone is personally sensitive to a subject.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

I sometimes don't even discuss politics outside of this forum with my friends. It's become such a hot topic and I don't want to go to deep there. I like to enjoy my time and not conflict with them over it. Anyway.. Sometimes I tread lightly around here too If I know someone is personally sensitive to a subject.

Yeah, around my friends I can't even discuss politics anymore. I'm one of maybe 3 Trump supporters, and just like you see on TV these opposers are all snowflakes even at 40,50 and 60 years old. And they lose their fucking minds when you try to have a conversation

[Muddy]

Yeah, around my friends I can't even discuss politics anymore. I'm one of maybe 3 Trump supporters, and just like you see on TV these opposers are all snowflakes even at 40,50 and 60 years old. And they lose their fucking minds when you try to have a conversation

The reality is none us us will change each others minds, so why bother even going there and destroying the friendship.. All you can do is let Trump keep doing the good work he's doing and let the results speak for themselves. :lol:

[Hugh_Janus]

Wow. I don't have a political agenda to push but this post doesn't even allow a discussion to occur. This may illustrate part of the problem. Just because people live outside of America, it shouldn't mean their observations or opinions have less value. Something needs to change in the US and if you don't agree, perhaps just say that? Constantly associating a potential discussion of change with a political agenda is a narrow viewpoint, to be polite.

I'm going to hit the road now. Ban me, delete the post, do whatever you need to satisfy the emotion I felt in your post DGX. But know that we are your friends and sometimes people who live at ground zero can be wrong for whatever reason. I think you're way off here.

I wish I could be arsed to find the post that essentially said something along the lines of "free speech doesn't exist here, you're not entitled to air your opinion and if I don't like it, I'll ban you" tread carefully, bro :lol:

[PorkChopSandwiches]

The reality is none us us will change each others minds, so why bother even going there and destroying the friendship.. All you can do is let Trump keep doing the good work he's doing and let the results speak for themselves. :lol:

Which is exactly why I dont have the conversations :)

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yeah, around my friends I can't even discuss politics anymore. I'm one of maybe 3 Trump supporters, and just like you see on TV these opposers are all snowflakes even at 40,50 and 60 years old. And they lose their fucking minds when you try to have a conversation

Crazy, isn't it? Yet those same people were the same ones that were telling everyone else to just STFU because elections have consequences when ol' Barry was winning his two terms.

[Muddy]

My river guests last weekend are at the other end of the political spectrum.. Nothing was lost on our fun by not dredging through that shit over the weekend. :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

My river guests last weekend are at the other end of the political spectrum.. Nothing was lost on our fun by not dredging through that shit this weekend. :lol:

There's one guy here at work that is an uber liberal, it's fun to get him wound up sometimes, he HATES Trump :lol:

[RBP]

This happened less than 48 hours ago. Everyone, on all sides, needs to shut the fuck up about the political bullshit for now. God knows it will rage later. Does it have to rage immediately every fucking time?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

This happened less than 48 hours ago. Everyone, on all sides, needs to shut the fuck up about the political bullshit for now. God knows it will rage later. Does it have to rage immediately every fucking time?

Yes, Lena Dunham said so :nono:

[Muddy]

Im not raging.. Im just wondering if Kapearnik and Lynch want to get up off their knees and run to stop the shooters the next time something like this happens or will they just take a knee against the heros again..?

[RBP]

Im not raging.. Im just wondering if Kapearnik and Lynch want to get up off their knees and run to stop the shooters the next time something like this happens or will they just take a knee against the heros again..?

Nor will I get off sorrowful knees to engage this.

Pretend it was international terrorism for a week. The flowers, the condolences, the vigils... the rest can wait.

[Muddy]

Nor will I get off sorrowful knees to engage this.

Pretend it was international terrorism for a week. The flowers, the condolences, the vigils... the rest can wait.

https://i.imgur.com/5XArJrb.gif

[lost in melb.]

The reality is none us us will change each others minds, so why bother even going there and destroying the friendship.. All you can do is let Trump keep doing the good work he's doing and let the results speak for themselves. :lol:

Sorry, I gave that post a thanks by mistake :fu:

[Muddy]

No takebacks! :lol:

[Godfather]

Does anyone else get super pissed at he conspiracy theorist? I know they'll always be out there making up bullshit and every tragedy is followed by a dozen absolutely unfounded 'theories' but it really gets under my skin. I just want to slap them all.

[RBP]

Does anyone else get super pissed at he conspiracy theorist? I know they'll always be out there making up bullshit and every tragedy is followed by a dozen absolutely unfounded 'theories' but it really gets under my skin. I just want to slap them all.

Your "conspiracy theory" is another man's "logic and reason".

[Godfather]

Your "conspiracy theory" is another man's "logic and reason".

I'm all for looking at things critically but you know these types. Everything is a conspiracy to them. I've got a friend like that. Watch two youtube videos and he's an expert on the illuminati, chem trails, scared to eat sushi and 7/11 was a part time job. Drives me mental, I can't even talk to him about serious issues. I talked to him briefly about the Vegas shooting and he said "I haven't seen any actual videos of anyone getting shot, and how did it take 15 minutes to stop the shooter." .... Wut... I can already see he's on the hunt for a conspiracy here too.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Does anyone else get super pissed at he conspiracy theorist? I know they'll always be out there making up bullshit and every tragedy is followed by a dozen absolutely unfounded 'theories' but it really gets under my skin. I just want to slap them all.

But what if it isn't a conspiracy? :-k


Emerging from the conspiracy-theory fever swamps Monday to exploit the massacre in Las Vegas, Alex Jones, blamed Sunday night’s mass shooting on an unholy alliance of Muslims, Bolsheviks and “Deep-State Democrats”—with a cameo appearance by O.J. Simpson.

“It’s the 100-year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution, and the literal grandchildren of the folks that financed the Bolshevik revolution out of New York and London are now bragging and saying ‘Bolshevik Two’ is launching,” the InfoWars founder told his 3 million-odd fans. “On Saturday night-Sunday morning, they released O.J., just 20 hours before the attack took place, so all the media would come and be in place to cover this event.”

“The whole thing has the hallmarks of being scripted by Deep-State Democrats and their Islamic allies using mental-patient cutouts,” he said.

[Griffin]

He had slide fire bump stocks (http://www.slidefire.com/products/ar-platform) on at least 12 of the weapons. They are still checking if any of the others had been modified for full auto fire. http://www.latimes.com/sd-las-vegas-gunman-bump-stock-how-does-it-work-20171003-htmlstory.html

[Muddy]

Infowars is reporting antifa and muslim shit found in the room..

https://www.infowars.com/breaking-sheriff-says-las-vegas-shooter-could-have-been-radicalized/

[Teh One Who Knocks]

FOX News and The Associated Press


The Las Vegas gunman behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history spent decades stockpiling guns and living a “secret life” that investigators may never be able to fully understand, police say.

Clark County, Nev., Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said Wednesday that it was only logical to “make the assumption” that Stephen Paddock had “some help at some point” in pulling off Sunday's massacre.

As evidence, Lombardo pointed to gunman Paddock’s huge arsenal, explosive materials found in his car and his meticulous planning.

“What we know is Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood,” the sheriff said.

Authorities also revealed that they believe Paddock had an escape plan, even though he turned the gun on himself as police closed in on his luxury suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. Paddock killed 58 people and injured hundreds in the attack as he fired from his room on the 32nd floor.

Authorities were still searching for a motive.

"Anything that would indicate this individual’s trigger point, that would cause him to do such harm, we haven’t understood it yet," Lombardo told reporters Wednesday. "Don't you think the concealment of his history of his life was well thought out?"

Lombardo said Paddock had 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive commonly used in target shooting that totaled 50 pounds in his car. But it wasn't clear what, if anything, Paddock planned with the explosives, he said.

Authorities also revealed that the weekend before the shooting, Paddock, 64, had rented a high-rise condo in a building that overlooked the Life is Beautiful alternative music festival featuring Chance the Rapper, Muse, Lorde and Blink-182. Lombardo offered no other details on what led Paddock there.

Eric Paddock called his 64-year-old multimillionaire brother a "private guy." As for what triggered the massacre, Eric Paddock said, "Something happened that drove him into the pit of hell."

Marilou Danley, Paddock's girlfriend, returned to the U.S. from the Philippines on Tuesday and was interviewed Wednesday by FBI agents in Los Angeles.

The 62-year-old said in a statement read by her lawyer that Paddock had sent her to see family in her native Philippines weeks earlier, and she was still overseas at the time of the attack. She said he wired her money so she could buy a house for her family, and she was initially pleased but later feared it was a way to break up with her.

Paddock led such a low-key, private life that no one seemed to know him well, and those who did had no sense he was capable of the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.

Where other mass killers have left behind a trail of plain-sight clues that help investigators quickly understand what drove them to violence, Paddock had nearly no close friends, social media presence or other clear connections to the broader world.

Even the No. 2 official in the FBI said Wednesday he was surprised investigators have not uncovered more about why a man with no obvious criminal record would cause so much bloodshed.

"There's all kinds of things that surprise us in each one of these events. That's the one in this one, and we are not there yet," FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe said. "We have a lot of work to do."

They wonder if he had some sort of mental break at the time that drove him to start making plans for mass murder.

Authorities were looking for hints in those details of the kind of life he lived, and the kind of victims and venue he targeted, said David Gomez, a former FBI national security and criminal profiler.

"We may never know to 100 percent certainty," he said. "But they will find out."

[Teh One Who Knocks]

FOX News and The Associated Press


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Stephen Paddock, the gunman who killed 58 people and injured more than 500 during Sunday’s massacre on the Las Vegas Strip, reportedly also took aim at nearby aviation fuel tanks during the rampage.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal, citing an unnamed source, reported late Wednesday that two holes were found in one of the two jet fuel tanks near the site of the Route 91 Harvest concert. One of the bullets penetrated a tank, but did not cause an explosion, the report said.

The report said FBI agents inspected the tanks and considered the bullet’s trajectory from where Paddock opened fire on 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

FoxNews.com could not immediately confirm the report. The paper reported that both the company that operates the tanks and the FBI did not comment for its report.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said it's difficult to believe Paddock acted alone in the attack on the audience of an outdoor concert.

Lombardo said that items confiscated from Paddock included 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive commonly used in target shooting that totaled 50 pounds. But it wasn't clear what, if anything, Paddock planned to do with the explosives, the sheriff said.

On Sept. 28, the 64-year-old high-stakes gambler and real estate investor checked into Mandalay Bay and specifically requested an upper-floor room with a view of the Route 91 Harvest music festival, according to a person who has seen hotel records turned over to investigators.

Paddock wasn't able to move into the room until Saturday, said the source, who was not authorized to speak publicly and disclosed the information on condition of anonymity.

Mike Boyd, an aviation consultant, in the meantime, told the Review-Journal that “a machine gun is not going to blow up a tank of fuel.”

“Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that.”

[PorkChopSandwiches]

“Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite.

#911

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Matt Finn, Fox News


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Chicago police told Fox News on Thursday that they believe Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas gunman who committed the biggest mass shooting in American history, booked rooms at Chicago's Blackstone hotel, overlooking the massive music festival Lollapalooza this past summer.

The CPD's findings come following a report by TMZ alleging Paddock booked one room at the Blackstone Hotel on Michigan Avenue for Aug. 1, two days before the festival began on Aug. 3. Paddock then booked a second room for an Aug. 3 arrival. Both rooms had a checkout date of Aug. 6, which is when the festival ended. Paddock specifically requested that both rooms be a "view room" overlooking Grant Park, site of the annual concert.

The CPD's conclusion was based on information it says it "can't reveal right now."

“We are aware of the media reports and have been in communication with our federal partners,” Chicago Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi wrote in a statement. “As you saw earlier this week, the city conducts extensive public safety planning and training around major events, in close coordination with our law enforcement partners, to ensure public safety.”

Chicago police told Fox News that the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department remains the lead agency in the investigation and would be pursuing the Chicago leads.

Lollapalooza is Chicago’s premier music festival, held every summer. It attracts tens of thousands of concertgoers who travel from around the world to see dozens of major artists and performers. It’s been attended by celebrities and even Malia Obama, a daughter of former President Barack Obama.

This report comes as other information indicates that Paddock might have also booked rooms overlooking another major music festival in Las Vegas in September, called Life Is Beautiful, which attracts about 50,000 people to that city.

Media outlets also reported Thursday that Paddock may have scouted sites in Boston as well.

“We are aware of the media reports referencing a Boston connection to the Las Vegas mass shooting incident that occurred on Sunday, October 1, 2017,” the city’s police department said in a statement. “The Boston Regional Intelligence Center is in contact with our local and federal law enforcement partners here and in Las Vegas and continues to monitor the situation. There is currently no known threat to the Metro Boston Homeland Security Region related to this incident.”

[RBP]

Love the headlines.

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Ridiculous article, uses Mother Jones as the source data, ignores total gun violence entirely.

The best part was saying that the 54% of mass shootings committed by white males is explained in part by the fact the whites make up 63% of the population. They note that blacks are second but dismiss it as "only 16%".

Okay, so, by their own numbers, whites commit 54% of mass shootings and are 63% of the population. Blacks commit 16% of mass shootings and are 13% of the population. But they explain this white male phenomenon as based in privilege because white males become disgruntled about having a good job as a "birthright".

It's so devoid of any logic, it's completely laughable.

http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602

punditfact analysis: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/oct/06/newsweek/are-white-males-responsible-more-mass-shootings-an/

[Hikari Kisugi]

Yeah, but the US does seem to be the only first world western nation capable of producing 'mass shootings' in ten past ten years.
NRA can look at Honduras and say more homicides take place there but really? come on guys.
If something is wrong you need to change something.
If nothing is wrong, then fine.

In UK acid attacks have sparks new laws to prevent drain cleaner being bought by under18s.
In the US, mass shooting enable more purchasing of firearms.

Truth is, there is nothing wrong with firearms. I live in the UK, I own a firearm when most don't.
You are just so embittered, so unwilling to change, to resilient to anything that might make you reconcile or make you safer that your lobby group protest to stringently against any change that you can't see what is in front of you.

If nothing is wrong with 50 people getting killed and 500 being injured, then change nothing.
If something is wrong. Work out what is wrong. Change it. Matter sorted
Lobby groups resigned.

[Griffin]

I agree. We must do a better job of weeding out defective people at birth thus preventing the monsters they will turn into.

[Griffin]

pardon me for my previous statement. My train of thought derailed and for some reason took a typical liberal stance of twisting anothers words to suit my own.
We of course couldn't blame an individual when it is much easier to blame an inanimate object.

[lost in melb.]

pardon me for my previous statement. My train of thought derailed and for some reason took a typical liberal stance of twisting anothers words to suit my own.
We of course couldn't blame an individual when it is much easier to blame an inanimate object.

You are wearing a psychopathic mask... ;)