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lost in melb.
10-03-2017, 04:56 PM
The man charged with selling Australia's tough gun laws to regional Australia, former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer, says US President Donald Trump needs to "get real" about the country's gun problem.

"The White House will produce slick statements saying now is not the time to enter any conversation on gun control," Mr Fischer said on Tuesday.

"When is the time? After another Orlando, after another Las Vegas? Get real President Trump."

Mr Fischer said he could not rule out any future Australian massacre after the death of at least 59 people in a shooting massacre in Las Vegas on Monday.

"But we have had 21 years since Port Arthur without a mass shooting," he told Sky News.


"We must be doing something right and the US must be doing something massively wrong."

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When 35 people were killed at Port Arthur in 1996, former prime minister John Howard introduced tough new laws that restricted the ownership of high capacity semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic shotguns and uniform licensing.

The decision caused deep division across the country, particularly in rural Australia, where Mr Howard was advised to wear a bulletproof vest and Mr Fischer faced prolonged voter backlash.

There were 13 gun massacres in Australia between 1979 and 1996, but since the push by Mr Howard and Fischer there have not been any, earning the policy bipartisan support.

Mr Howard increased the Medicare levy to pay for the buy-back of nearly 700,000 guns.

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Former prime minister John Howard with deputy prime minister Tim Fischer. Photo: Paul Harris PRH

"Thank God we live in Australia," Labor leader Bill Shorten said on Tuesday.


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The front pages of Australian newspapers Monday April 29, 1996, headlining the worst massacre in Australia's history. Photo: AP

"Thank God for our gun laws and heaven help anyone who wants to weaken these gun laws because they will have to come through me and the Labor Party.

"There is a lot of very good things about America but we don't want their gun laws."

The acting US ambassador Jim Carouso also praised Australia's record on gun control on Tuesday.

It's a very, very difficult problem that we've been wrestling with for years and years … Every time one of these things happens, US analysts always point to what happened in Australia," he said in Sydney on Tuesday.

"So I think certainly a lot of observers in the US look to the Australian example."

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Australia had developed some of the strictest gun control laws in the world and we must "remain ever vigilant to maintain them."

Mr Turnbull said he would be convening a special summit of state and territory leaders this week to discuss how to further strengthen and harmonise national security against the threat of terrorism and attacks on crowded places.

"Another national gun amnesty has just concluded, and in the first two months, over 25,000 weapons were handed in," he said.

The national amnesty allowed gun owners to submit their weapons to authorities without fear of being penalised.

Australian Federal Police Commissioner Andrew Colvin said the amnesty may have finished, but gun owners can always hand in their firearms.

"Contact your local police, less guns in the community is a good thing," he said.

lost in melb.
10-03-2017, 04:57 PM
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Ol' Tim, one of our most conservative parliamentarians ever...

Hugh_Janus
10-03-2017, 04:57 PM
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RBP
10-03-2017, 05:10 PM
Good for Australia. Maybe you should put him in charge of the auto industry, or now lack thereof.

Muddy
10-03-2017, 06:06 PM
We dont trust our government or more so the big businesses that really run it to give up the right. If we need to take this bitch back over, we will. Also, I want my guns so the day Tyreek and the boys feel like they want to rob my house because they cant feed their kids I want to be able to defend myself.

fin.

RBP
10-03-2017, 06:38 PM
Good for Australia. Maybe you should put him in charge of the auto industry, or now lack thereof.

For what it's worth, I was pointing out the cheap nature of both the article's, and my, shot at the other nation.

lost in melb.
10-03-2017, 07:03 PM
Good for Australia. Maybe you should put him in charge of the auto industry, or now lack thereof.

Yes, we are digging ourselves into a manufacturing hole. I loathe our governance. Thanks for the reminder!

lost in melb.
10-03-2017, 07:06 PM
We dont trust our government or more so the big businesses that really run it to give up the right. If we need to take this bitch back over, we will. Also, I want my guns so the day Tyreek and the boys feel like they want to rob my house because they cant feed their kids I want to be able to defend myself.

fin.

Bah, Just stockpile a few of those tricky-dicky semi-to-full thingies. But for heaven's sake, don't loan one to a depressed neighbour!

Muddy
10-03-2017, 07:54 PM
Bah, Just stockpile a few of those tricky-dicky semi-to-full thingies. But for heaven's sake, don't loan one to a depressed neighbour!

Agreed.

Griffin
10-03-2017, 10:10 PM
Surely outlawing guns in the US will stop the thugs from driving vehicles into people in Canada and France, or maybe stop machete attacks in the UK and China...or maybe even the bombing of markets and subways across the planet!

When will these tools realize that a gun is just a tool used by someone set on mayhem. Oh that's right, because these tools need a tool to push their agenda.

Noilly Pratt
10-03-2017, 10:15 PM
Surely outlawing guns in the US will stop the thugs from driving vehicles into people in Canada and France, or maybe stop machete attacks in the UK and China...or maybe even the bombing of markets and subways across the planet!

When will these tools realize that a gun is just a tool used by someone set on mayhem. Oh that's right, because these tools need a tool to push their agenda.

I agree with you, but a machete can only stab in close quarters as the quick as the person who's wielding it can do it. A gun that can spray hundreds of bullets a second can do a lot more harm in a shorter amount of time from a greater distance away.

But back to the OP -- getting political mileage by saying "SEE what can happen....it happened to THEM - didn't we do good?" is crass, self congratulatory politics and will do them more harm than good probably.