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Teh One Who Knocks
11-06-2017, 08:55 PM
Doyle Rice, USA TODAY


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There’s old, then there’s Big Bang old.

Using one of the world’s most powerful telescopes, scientists Monday announced the discovery of a distant galaxy that’s about 12.8 billion years old.

It’s “only” about 1 billion years younger than the Big Bang, making it the second-oldest celestial object ever discovered.

“This new object is very close to being one of the first galaxies ever to form,” said astrophysicist Min Yun of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, who was a co-author of a new study published Monday in Nature Astronomy, a peer-reviewed British journal.

At present there is only one other, slightly older and more distant object like this that is known, the study said.

"The Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago, and now we are seeing this galaxy from 12.8 billion years ago, so it was forming within the first billion years after the Big Bang," Yun said in a statement.

"Seeing an object within the first billion years is remarkable because the universe was too hot and too uniform to form anything for the first 400 million years," he said. "So our best guess is that the first stars and galaxies and black holes all formed within the first half a billion to 1 billion years."

The galaxy, named G09 83808, was spotted with the powerful Large Millimeter Telescope (LMT), which is located in Mexico and described as a high-precision time machine that can see images of galaxies born billions of years ago. It provides insight into the birth and evolution of the universe, according to UMass.

The galaxy is also the oldest object ever detected by the LMT, which is operated jointly by UMass and Mexico's National Institute of Astrophysics, Optics and Electronics.

"This result is not a surprise, because this is what the LMT was built to do, but we are very excited," Yun said.

With the telescope coming fully online in the next few months, Yun said its higher resolution and sensitivity mean "we can find really, really faint things. They are essentially at the very edge of the universe."

Oldest spiral galaxy also discovered

Meanwhile, in other news from the early universe, a separate study recently identified the oldest spiral galaxy (like our Milky Way) ever discovered. This galaxy, known as A1689B11, existed 11 billion years in the past, just 2.6 billion years after the Big Bang.

“Spiral galaxies are exceptionally rare in the early universe, and this discovery opens the door to investigating how galaxies transition from highly chaotic, turbulent discs to tranquil, thin discs like those of our own Milky Way galaxy," said study co-author Renyue Cen of Princeton University.

The galaxy was spotted from a telescope in Hawaii. That study has been accepted for publication in The Astrophysical Journal.

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 09:09 PM
There's something about the timing of a star's light reaching Earth millions of years after it dies that is bothering me right now :-k

For now, I say - Astronomers, shove it up Uranus. We remember Pluto and you lied to us then too :x

Teh One Who Knocks
11-06-2017, 09:10 PM
:facepalm:

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 09:13 PM
So they look through the fancy telescope and it tells them the creation and expiry date on the bottom of the star?



[-( I think not

DemonGeminiX
11-06-2017, 09:41 PM
When you're looking far enough into space through a telescope, you're looking back through time. Light's not instantaneous. It can only travel so fast.

Muddy
11-06-2017, 09:50 PM
What is this load of crap?

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 09:56 PM
When you're looking far enough into space through a telescope, you're looking back through time. Light's not instantaneous. It can only travel so fast.

Kind of like it travels at the speed of light? :-s

who knew...

oh yeah, me! :)

DemonGeminiX
11-06-2017, 09:57 PM
:-s

Relativity?

DemonGeminiX
11-06-2017, 09:58 PM
Kind of like it travels at the speed of light? :-s

who knew...

oh yeah, me! :)

Sorry. I failed to detect the sarcasm in your voice. :oops:










8-[

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 09:59 PM
It saddens me to look into the night sky, see handfuls of stars and to know that they're so far away, no one will ever get there :(

plus, they may have died out a billion years ago and we're seeing the time machine image

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 10:00 PM
Sorry. I failed to detect the sarcasm in your voice. :oops:










8-[

preachin to the choir bro when talkin space stuff :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 10:05 PM
My entire take when I read anything new from the astronomy world is my own little thing called the Galileo Syndrome*

*where the world believed one thing for hundreds of years and it took someone like Galileo to change minds

Observational data has grown complex and much of it can be proven, but it's essentially theory so I tend to mistrust...almost all of it :lol:

DemonGeminiX
11-06-2017, 10:09 PM
That's understandable. They're constantly revising shit, and constantly discovering new things that turn current theory on its head. 3 or 4 generations after we're dead will probably have wildly different theories than what exists today... and still won't have the full story.

But I bet the cars will be really cool.

Hal-9000
11-06-2017, 10:16 PM
I joke a little, it's the revisions and the unprovable theories that cause me to give the side eye.

I like hearing all of the conjecture, then they land a unit on the surface of Mars, take a sample and say - it's dirt with only four types of minerals, pretty non distinct really :lol:

deebakes
11-09-2017, 03:25 AM
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Godfather
11-09-2017, 03:28 AM
When you're looking far enough into space through a telescope, you're looking back through time. Light's not instantaneous. It can only travel so fast.

I'm sure I've read this before, but how do they derive from looking at it how old this galaxy is? I mean, you can't just look at it and say well it's X distance away because we can calculate the speed of light from there to here. How do they then take the next step to say, ok it's X distance away buy it's been there for Y-billions of years??