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Teh One Who Knocks
12-29-2017, 11:58 AM
Joe Palca - NPR


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This 1793 grave is an early version of the kilogram. It is possible this object, now owned by the National Institute of
Standards and Technology museum, was once pirate treasure.

If the United States were more like the rest of the world, a McDonald's Quarter Pounder might be known as the McDonald's 113-Grammer, John Henry's 9-pound hammer would be 4.08 kilograms, and any 800-pound gorillas in the room would likely weigh 362 kilos.

One reason this country never adopted the metric system might be pirates. Here's what happened:

In 1793, the brand new United States of America needed a standard measuring system because the states were using a hodgepodge of systems.

"For example, in New York, they were using Dutch systems, and in New England, they were using English systems," says Keith Martin, of the research library at the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

This made interstate commerce difficult.

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French scientist Joseph Dombey (shown in a bust at left) was dispatched to the U.S. in the mid-1790s to share the early metric system, at the
request of Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson.

The secretary of state at the time was Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson knew about a new French system and thought it was just what America needed. He wrote to his pals in France, and the French sent a scientist named Joseph Dombey off to Jefferson carrying a small copper cylinder with a little handle on top. It was about 3 inches tall and about the same wide.

This object was intended to be a standard for weighing things, part of a weights and measure system being developed in France, now known as the metric system. The object's weight was 1 kilogram.

Crossing the Atlantic, Dombey ran into a giant storm.

"It blew his ship quite far south into the Caribbean Sea," says Martin.

And you know who was lurking in Caribbean waters in the late 1700s? Pirates.

"These pirates were British privateers, to be exact," says Martin. "They were basically water-borne criminals tacitly supported by the British government, and they were tasked with harassing enemy shipping."

The pirates took Joseph Dombey prisoner on the island of Montserrat, hoping to obtain a ransom for him. Unfortunately for the pirates, and for Dombey as well, he died in captivity.

The pirates weren't interested in the objects Dombey was carrying. They were auctioned off along with the rest of the contents of his ship.

Ultimately, the kilogram made it into the hands of an American land surveyor at the time named Andrew Ellicott. It was passed down in the Ellicott family until 1952, when Andrew Ellicott Douglas, an astronomer, gave it to the agency that was the precursor of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

It's worth mentioning that the kilogram has been redefined over the years, so the version Dombey was carrying probably isn't exactly the same mass as the modern kilogram, which is a platinum-iridium artifact stored in France. Even that object will likely become obsolete next year when the kilogram is expected to be redefined again — not as a physical artifact but instead as something related to a fundamental constant in nature.

Would it really have made any difference if Dombey had been able to deliver his kilogram to Jefferson?

"We don't know for sure, but it seems like there was a missed opportunity there," says Martin.

This wasn't the only occasion the United States could have gone metric. According to Toward a Metric America, a document on the NIST website, in 1866, "Congress authorized the use of the metric system in this country and supplied each state with a set of standard metric weights and measures."

In 1875, the United States signed the Convention du Mètre, establishing an international body to maintain metric standards. In 1893, all weights and measures used in this country were defined with respect to metric standards. So, 1 pound is officially defined as 0.45359237 kilograms, and 1 yard is 0.9144 meters.

The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 declared that it was the policy of the United States "to designate the metric system of measurement as the preferred system of weights and measures for United States trade and commerce."

This act was later amended by the Omnibus Foreign Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988, the Savings in Construction Act of 1996 and the Department of Energy High-End Computing Revitalization Act of 2004, all aimed at pushing the routine use of the metric system — so far, without much success.

So for now, we're stuck with Quarter Pounders and 9-pound hammers.

Hal-9000
12-29-2017, 06:20 PM
As we entered grade 7, almost exactly halfway through our schooling, they introduced the metric system

I know the States is one of about only four countries that still use the imperial system.

But I still think in imperial first and have to convert back and forth for everything. Distance, weight, volume.

Metric is easier on paper using multiples of 10's, yet my mind knows imperial instantly. I wish they wouldn't have programmed us and then tried to deprogram us :|

Teh One Who Knocks
12-29-2017, 06:28 PM
That's exactly my problem too. I deal with metric a lot in the prints I see to quote and parts to build. And it's definitely easier to work with because multiple of 10 system. But even as they were trying to teach us metric in school, they didn't push it that hard. And like you mentioned, Canada switched, but the US did not, so everything here is still in the imperial system and we weren't really forced to have to deal with metric. So when I'm quoting parts that are drawn in metric, I have to convert everything over into imerial because it's easier for me, even though the imperial system makes very little sense. :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
12-29-2017, 06:29 PM
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Hal-9000
12-29-2017, 06:40 PM
That's exactly my problem too. I deal with metric a lot in the prints I see to quote and parts to build. And it's definitely easier to work with because multiple of 10 system. But even as they were trying to teach us metric in school, they didn't push it that hard. And like you mentioned, Canada switched, but the US did not, so everything here is still in the imperial system and we weren't really forced to have to deal with metric. So when I'm quoting parts that are drawn in metric, I have to convert everything over into imerial because it's easier for me, even though the imperial system makes very little sense. :lol:

Growing up, city driving was 30 mph and highway driving was 60 mph in Canada usually.

So how do you think I feel when a sign goes by and says 110?

In that brief instant of time I think...ALLRIIIGHT :lol:

I'm good with weights, 2.2 pounds in a kilo...but my mind still knows what a pound should be and will latch onto that.
Distance still takes me a few moments. City is 300 kms away. I have to think...is that still three hours of driving (180 miles) or will it take longer? :-s
Length is tough because a yard is 3 feet, yet if someone says they are 2 meters tall, I have to stop and think...is a meter longer or shorter than a yard and go from there.

Teh One Who Knocks
12-29-2017, 06:49 PM
Yeah, I know the basic stuff too, like the 2.2 lbs per kilo and a kilometer is .62 miles and a liter is slightly more than a quart...but if someone throws out metric, I really need to think about it :lol:

Hal-9000
12-29-2017, 07:03 PM
You know how I learned the most about measurements and weight?

doing drugs :lol:

7 grams in a quarter of pot, 14 grams in a half, 28 grams per ounce, 2.2 pounds per kilo...

How Miami Vice helped me learn metric

Teh One Who Knocks
12-29-2017, 07:08 PM
To really mess things up, use the obsolete forms of measurement :lol:

How many square feet in an oxgang? :confused:

Noilly Pratt
12-29-2017, 08:26 PM
As we entered grade 7, almost exactly halfway through our schooling, they introduced the metric system

I know the States is one of about only four countries that still use the imperial system.

But I still think in imperial first and have to convert back and forth for everything. Distance, weight, volume.

Metric is easier on paper using multiples of 10's, yet my mind knows imperial instantly. I wish they wouldn't have programmed us and then tried to deprogram us :|

Yep - exactly. I'm the same age as you and had the same indoctrination. I measure in metric, and often don't know what each line on an imperial ruler is for. I think in Kilometers for speed, but still feel Miles Per Gallon is more a thing for me than Kilometers per Litre. I think of weight in pounds not kilos.

Godfather
12-30-2017, 01:56 AM
Yeah, I know the basic stuff too, like the 2.2 lbs per kilo and a kilometer is .62 miles and a liter is slightly more than a quart...but if someone throws out metric, I really need to think about it :lol:

I feel like being raised by parents who know imperial really made my generation confused. I think of far distances in KM, medium distances in yard (because of years of playing golf) and short distances in feet. I also only know body weight in pounds, but measure small amounts in liters :lol:

lost in melb.
12-30-2017, 12:03 PM
I still use miles and inches/feet. Height in cm is daft

Hal-9000
12-30-2017, 06:17 PM
I feel like being raised by parents who know imperial really made my generation confused. I think of far distances in KM, medium distances in yard (because of years of playing golf) and short distances in feet. I also only know body weight in pounds, but measure small amounts in liters :lol:


I still use miles and inches/feet. Height in cm is daft

Seems we all cross pollinate a little :lol:

Height and weight is always in imperial for me.

deebakes
12-30-2017, 06:50 PM
everything at work is metric, everything outside of work is 'merican' :shrug:

Pony
12-30-2017, 07:02 PM
everything at work is metric, everything outside of work is 'merican' :shrug:

Pretty much. A few years ago I went looking for a metric tape measure. Could not find anything locally that was 100% metric.

Hal-9000
12-31-2017, 06:07 PM
everything at work is metric, everything outside of work is 'merican' :shrug:

That's the whole problem (outside of America being stuck in the dark ages)

Depending on the vocation, we keep seeing crossovers. Carpenters and floor guys still use imperial, mechanics use both, and some trades use metric only.

thankfully I only need one tool for porn :wank:

Pony
12-31-2017, 08:21 PM
Depending on the vocation, we keep seeing crossovers. Carpenters and floor guys still use imperial, mechanics use both, and some trades use metric only.

thankfully I only need one tool for porn :wank:

99.99% of everything automotive is metric now, it's only the old cars and the very rare occasion you find anything imperial on any car these days.

Hal-9000
01-02-2018, 10:42 PM
99.99% of everything automotive is metric now, it's only the old cars and the very rare occasion you find anything imperial on any car these days.

I was chatting with two buds both in the biz during the past couple of months. Both alluded to having two sets of tools and wanting to use one or the other.

Not sure whether the car parts themselves are in imperial or metric, but both did say they preferred 5/8ths over the metric equivalent :-s

deebakes
01-03-2018, 02:33 AM
kg, g, mg, ug, ng - it all makes total sense. i couldn't imagine figuring out converting mg/kg doses to oz/lb :lol: