Trump speech

[Muddy]

Beautiful!

[RBP]

Agreed. He did really well.

[RBP]

So I am seeing comments such as "anyone could have read that speech" and "give credit to his speechwriters". That's good! It means that even some Trump haters are having to admit they thought he did well.

Edit:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2j4sw01.png

[RBP]

https://i.imgur.com/YhdUfzt.jpg

[lost in melb.]

So I am seeing comments such as "anyone could have read that speech" and "give credit to his speechwriters". That's good! It means that even some Trump haters are having to admit they thought he did well.

Edit:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2j4sw01.png

A preemptive strike, Sir! :x


Said with great restraint...glad he made you proud :)


:willie:

[Muddy]

I wonder if Pelosi ever dug out what was in her teeth? She worked at it all evening..

http://i68.tinypic.com/k4utn5.jpg

[Pony]

Very strong speech. The Dems made total fools of themselves, I can't believe the left just keeps digging their heels in. They are committed to fight Trump on everything and will continue to further isolate themselves from their voters. What an embarrassment.

[Muddy]

What was all that Kunta Kinte stuff the blacks were wearing?

[The Monk]

He got some favourable reports in our papers. :lol:

[Pony]

He got some favourable reports in our papers. :lol:

:shock:

90% of our media continues to twist everything to a negative spin.

Poll numbers were showing that 70%+ thought it was a strong speech.

[The Monk]

To be fair, Trump has baited your media so much I'm not surprised they have such a stance. If he was a bit more conciliatory.... who knows?

[PorkChopSandwiches]

To be fair, Trump has baited your media so much I'm not surprised they have such a stance. If he was a bit more conciliatory.... who knows?

You do realize they (MSM) started all of this while he was on the campaign trail, all lies and fake stats. Accorder to MSM Hillary had a 90% chance of winning the presidency

[RBP]

You do realize they (MSM) started all of this while he was on the campaign trail, all lies and fake stats. Accorder to MSM Hillary had a 90% chance of winning the presidency

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[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://i63.tinypic.com/k2infp.png

https://i.imgur.com/8Psmkmm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Vfaj7Nm.jpg

[RBP]

:lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:lol:

I never get tired of those pictures :banana: :lol:

[PorkChopSandwiches]

https://i.imgur.com/8Psmkmm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Vfaj7Nm.jpg

That was such a joyous moment at my house. I was laughing hysterically at everyone crying

[Teh One Who Knocks]

https://i.imgur.com/v3huOL6.jpg

[Teh One Who Knocks]

That was such a joyous moment at my house. I was laughing hysterically at everyone crying

It was glorious :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArqJF6P7Gg4

[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://i63.tinypic.com/k2infp.png

Hell, looking back on it, they pretty much had ME convinced that there was no way that Trump could win.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

I had a hard time believing those numbers, but I was sure she would win fraudulently . But she believed her own bullshit and didnt think she needed to commit another crime

[Hal-9000]

We're all moving to Canada if Trump wins, for realz :x

*Trump wins*
*Canada Waits*
*We don't need to build a wall after all*

:-k

[Pony]

We're all moving to Canada if Trump wins, for realz :x

*Trump wins*
*Canada Waits*
*We don't need to build a wall after all*

:-k

Everyone who tried was rejected by Canada, your immigration laws are much more strict than ours.

[Muddy]

Hell, looking back on it, they pretty much had ME convinced that there was no way that Trump could win.
I was always skeptical, I believed that the crazy Libs had driven the silent majority off of social media so we were going to do our talking where it mattered. With VOTES..

[The Monk]

You do realize they (MSM) started all of this while he was on the campaign trail, all lies and fake stats. Accorder to MSM Hillary had a 90% chance of winning the presidency


http://i63.tinypic.com/k2infp.png



If you're honest... on the campaign trail Trump made so many blunders and told lies, was racist plus a host of other things that yes, Hilary should have won from that point but when that revisiting of the FBI matter came up in the final stretch, that blew it.

But remember, she still won the popular vote and Trump's ratings have never been good from the outset. He even lies to himself.

[DemonGeminiX]

If you're honest... on the campaign trail Trump made so many blunders and told lies, was racist plus a host of other things that yes, Hilary should have won from that point but when that revisiting of the FBI matter came up in the final stretch, that blew it.

But remember, she still won the popular vote and Trump's ratings have never been good from the outset. He even lies to himself.

What blunders and what lies? How was he racist? Keep in mind, anything you dig up from the media can be, and most likely is, skewed. Furthermore, she never should have even ran. If there was absolutely no corruption in Obama's administration, and they followed the law to the letter, Hillary's ass would be rotting in a jail cell right now.

What ratings? Haven't you learned anything by now? Polls mean absolutely nothing when it comes to American politics. The media cherry picks and inflates the numbers to sell the narrative that they want the American people to buy, hook, line, and sinker.

The popular vote means absolutely nothing in our Presidential elections. If it did, whoever won California, Illinois, New York, and New Jersey would always win the Presidency. 4 states shouldn't be the sole deciding factor when there are 46 other states to consider. The Founding Fathers, even with only 13 states in the beginning, saw that coming from a mile away, so they nipped it in the bud and created the Electoral College and the Electoral voting process. And thank God these men were as brilliant as they were.

What does he lie to himself about?

[lost in melb.]

What blunders and what lies? How was he racist? Keep in mind, anything you dig up from the media can be, and most likely is, skewed. Furthermore, she never should have even ran. If there was absolutely no corruption in Obama's administration, and they followed the law to the letter, Hillary's ass would be rotting in a jail cell right now.

What ratings? Haven't you learned anything by now? Polls mean absolutely nothing when it comes to American politics. The media cherry picks and inflates the numbers to sell the narrative that they want the American people to buy, hook, line, and sinker.

The popular vote means absolutely nothing in our Presidential elections. If it did, whoever won California, Illinois, New York, and New Jersey would always win the Presidency. 4 states shouldn't be the sole deciding factor when there are 46 other states to consider. The Founding Fathers, even with only 13 states in the beginning, saw that coming from a mile away, so they nipped it in the bud and created the Electoral College and the Electoral voting process. And thank God these men were as brilliant as they were.

What does he lie to himself about?

A good one would be his assertion that the tax cuts won't benefit him and his pals.

Here's a couple more lists...maybe some are plain ignorance or 'colourful' fancies. Some appear to be genuine documented falsehoods.

My favourite was when he came on stage with a bunch of meat and magazines, and boldly said 'Trump meats and Trump magazine- alive and kicking', or words to that effect (it wasn't Trump meats and it wasn't Trump magazine - both were non-existent at that stage).

Maybe he's what your country needs, but it doesn't lessen the kind of person he is by nature and at heart. Fill in blank

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

[RBP]

I have generally avoided the cult of personality stuff, but it's hard not to get dragged in some times. I really don't care. Don't read his tweets, don't give a shit if he misspeaks.

I am going to try to only discuss policy initiatives going forward, the rest is unproductive finger-pointing crap that serves no purpose but to get under people's skin on both sides.

[RBP]

That was such a joyous moment at my house. I was laughing hysterically at everyone crying

I laughed at these tears too. Equal opportunity asshole.

https://i.imgur.com/hAFqLUF.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/cfYtcIQ.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/V9WVkmF.png?1https://i.imgur.com/xzIr6Yd.jpg

[lost in melb.]

Dude...

[RBP]

Dude...

What? The emotional hype was so over the top in both cases.

[The Monk]

You do realize they (MSM) started all of this while he was on the campaign trail, all lies and fake stats. Accorder to MSM Hillary had a 90% chance of winning the presidency


What blunders and what lies? How was he racist? Keep in mind, anything you dig up from the media can be, and most likely is, skewed. Furthermore, she never should have even ran. If there was absolutely no corruption in Obama's administration, and they followed the law to the letter, Hillary's ass would be rotting in a jail cell right now.

What ratings? Haven't you learned anything by now? Polls mean absolutely nothing when it comes to American politics. The media cherry picks and inflates the numbers to sell the narrative that they want the American people to buy, hook, line, and sinker.

The popular vote means absolutely nothing in our Presidential elections. If it did, whoever won California, Illinois, New York, and New Jersey would always win the Presidency. 4 states shouldn't be the sole deciding factor when there are 46 other states to consider. The Founding Fathers, even with only 13 states in the beginning, saw that coming from a mile away, so they nipped it in the bud and created the Electoral College and the Electoral voting process. And thank God these men were as brilliant as they were.

What does he lie to himself about?

He has lied about the women.....

He has lied about the conversation on the bus....

He has boasted of his poll numbers....

The popular vote still means individuals are having their say....

You ask about ratings?

https://i.imgur.com/HpMclFn.jpg (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/)


https://i.imgur.com/PlzNele.jpg

He hasn't even got close to any other president except Gerald Ford!!

https://i.imgur.com/crDb3XV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9M67SAg.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/03lwGZm.jpg


He even has you believing that if it isn't pro-Trump then it has to be Fake News!!

[The Monk]

A good one would be his assertion that the tax cuts won't benefit him and his pals.

Here's a couple more lists...maybe some are plain ignorance or 'colourful' fancies. Some appear to be genuine documented falsehoods.

My favourite was when he came on stage with a bunch of meat and magazines, and boldly said 'Trump meats and Trump magazine- alive and kicking', or words to that effect (it wasn't Trump meats and it wasn't Trump magazine - both were non-existent at that stage).

Maybe he's what your country needs, but it doesn't lessen the kind of person he is by nature and at heart. Fill in blank

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html





I'm not sure if he was boasting about how many times he had been on the cover of "TIME" magazine or lying about it! ::?:

[lost in melb.]

What? The emotional hype was so over the top in both cases.

I dunno RBP. In the 2008 case I was just about crying along with them. Imagine ....living as a minority in a US that is dominated by black people. Only a few generations back your parent and great-grandparents were their servants and slaves, subject to in many cases unimaginable deprivations, cruelty and the deliberate prevention of personal excellence relegating people with your coloured skin to third class citizens.

Imagine in this world (now 'mended') explicit and implicit discrimination (private nasty stuff) and racism are still more common than Star Trek makes us believe....

Leaving this mind experiment, you can say, as you have articulated before ( my paraphrasing) : the past is past, reparations have been made, we (hard-working competent whites) have had enough of indulging extra handouts, compensatory leg-ups and had enough of tolerating post-generational post-traumatic hysteria. This I get. But I don't think until you've lived in those shoes, heard the intimate stories and experienced what this race went through that you can suggest how they should feel about having a black elected as president.

At least that's how I feel. I don't and will never fully understand what it means to be a black american - or an Aboriginee, closer to home.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I dunno RBP. In the 2008 case I was just about crying along with them. Imagine ....living as a minority in a US that is dominated by black people. Only a few generations back your parent and great-grandparents were their servants and slaves, subject to in many cases unimaginable deprivations, cruelty and the deliberate prevention of personal excellence relegating people with your coloured skin to third class citizens.

Imagine in this world (now 'mended') explicit and implicit discrimination (private nasty stuff) and racism are still more common than Star Trek makes us believe....

Leaving this mind experiment, you can say, as you have articulated before ( my paraphrasing) : the past is past, reparations have been made, we (hard-working competent whites) have had enough of indulging extra handouts, compensatory leg-ups and had enough of tolerating post-generational post-traumatic hysteria. This I get. But I don't think until you've lived in those shoes, heard the intimate stories and experienced what this race went through that you can suggest how they should feel about having a black elected as president.

At least that's how I feel. I don't and will never fully understand what it means to be a black american - or an Aboriginee, closer to home.

:|

You know who benefits from racism? Blacks do. That's why they never stop talking about it and never stop playing the race card.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRnTovm26I4

[RBP]

I dunno RBP. In the 2008 case I was just about crying along with them. Imagine ....living as a minority in a US that is dominated by black people. Only a few generations back your parent and great-grandparents were their servants and slaves, subject to in many cases unimaginable deprivations, cruelty and the deliberate prevention of personal excellence relegating people with your coloured skin to third class citizens.

Imagine in this world (now 'mended') explicit and implicit discrimination (private nasty stuff) and racism are still more common than Star Trek makes us believe....

Leaving this mind experiment, you can say, as you have articulated before ( my paraphrasing) : the past is past, reparations have been made, we (hard-working competent whites) have had enough of indulging extra handouts, compensatory leg-ups and had enough of tolerating post-generational post-traumatic hysteria. This I get. But I don't think until you've lived in those shoes, heard the intimate stories and experienced what this race went through that you can suggest how they should feel about having a black elected as president.

At least that's how I feel. I don't and will never fully understand what it means to be a black american - or an Aboriginee, closer to home.

Yes, I get all that. On a purely emotional level. But that's all it was, pure emotion - which was my point in drawing the comparison. They was no substance behind it that would actually benefit the black community. My comment at the time was, "there is going to be the biggest post-election hangover in US history" because it was exactly that. Pure emotion. I'll always shake my head at symbolism over substance. I don't apologize for that.

[Hal-9000]

I'm gonna plant my flag right here and say that in the future, we'll find out that this election was rigged! :x

Whether polls are completely accurate or not, Hillary had over 300 electoral votes locked up and mysteriously lost.

It's too hard to believe that all of those liberals didn't turn out to vote. They had some real support and momentum.

The truth is out there...


Mulder-9000

[lost in melb.]

I'm gonna plant my flag right here and say that in the future, we'll find out that this election was rigged! :x

Whether polls are completely accurate or not, Hillary had over 300 electoral votes locked up and mysteriously lost.

It's too hard to believe that all of those liberals didn't turn out to vote. They had some real support and momentum.

The truth is out there...


Mulder-9000


You can lead the prison-break, Hal. We'll get her back in :lol:

[lost in melb.]

Yes, I get all that. On a purely emotional level. But that's all it was, pure emotion - which was my point in drawing the comparison. They was no substance behind it that would actually benefit the black community. My comment at the time was, "there is going to be the biggest post-election hangover in US history" because it was exactly that. Pure emotion. I'll always shake my head at symbolism over substance. I don't apologize for that.

Yeah, cus he wus half-white!

Just kidding...but they will still chant his hallowed name in the black community, forever. I don't know enough to say that he wasn't helpful. Perhaps symbolically he provided an extra motivation and inspiration for some blacks, and that's a good thing. But for many blacks I suspect he would be far too aloof and, well... academic to be a direct or prolonged inspiration.

Technically, of course, the colour of the US presidents skin should not benefit any community.

[lost in melb.]

For education purposes only! (warning, scary)

https://i.imgur.com/sJWvL.jpg

[RBP]

Yeah, cus he wus half-white!

Just kidding...but they will still chant his hallowed name in the black community, forever. I don't know enough to say that he wasn't helpful. Perhaps symbolically he provided an extra motivation and inspiration for some blacks, and that's a good thing. But for many blacks I suspect he would be far too aloof and, well... academic to be a direct or prolonged inspiration.

Technically, of course, the colour of the US presidents skin should not benefit any community.

If you have examples, I will read them. My impression is a net negative based on the highly inflamed racial tensions we saw during his administration. I'm not opposed to lancing the boil, but you damn well better have some salve ready.

[DemonGeminiX]

I'm gonna plant my flag right here and say that in the future, we'll find out that this election was rigged! :x

Whether polls are completely accurate or not, Hillary had over 300 electoral votes locked up and mysteriously lost.

It's too hard to believe that all of those liberals didn't turn out to vote. They had some real support and momentum.

The truth is out there...


Mulder-9000

In light of allegations, it appears that the DNC and the Clinton camp tried to rig it, but look what happened. Personally, I know a few Dems that refused to vote because they hate Hillary's guts.

[Hal-9000]

In light of allegations, it appears that the DNC and the Clinton camp tried to rig it, but look what happened. Personally, I know a few Dems that refused to vote because they hate Hillary's guts.

Being fairly neutral and fearing both candidates for various reasons, the result was shocking.

All of the publicity preamble we saw up here really pointed to Clinton winning, and winning by a lot.

It also makes a weird sort of speculative sense that a lot of these vocal liberals while being prevalent on the net, never went out to actually vote.

[DemonGeminiX]

There just wasn't as many as the media portrayed. They're not the vast majority in this country. The silent majority got off their asses this time around and went out and voted.

[Hal-9000]

It's too bad they couldn't make voting an easier process. Not that it's hard now, just make it a legit, in-home thing where people don't have to use a smartphone or PC to do it.

:-k

Maybe give your fingerprint on the ballot, drop it in the mailbox?

[DemonGeminiX]

And trust the people in the chain? The mail people, the receivers, the sorters, the talliers? Too many people in the chain. Too many chances to usurp the process. If it was completely digital and we could do it at home, but then again, coders can be biased too.

[Hal-9000]

Yeah, my utopian thoughts often run into logistical brick walls :lol:

One year I didn't vote because it was blizzarding out and the roads were horrible. I only had to go to a school in my neighborhood.

[Hal-9000]

We just had a civic election and there were so many spammy recorded phone messages, like 10 a day from various candidates, I didn't vote out of sheer spite.

[DemonGeminiX]

My Representative calls the house every once in a while with recorded messages. I stopped answering because if he can't talk to me personally, then fuck him and his PAC... but I still vote for the bastard. :lol:

[Hal-9000]

:lol:


Current mayor did his own messages and starts with - Hey this is mayor ____. Yeah I know, not another recorded message about the mayoralty race...

And I try hanging up before I hear his name :lol:

[The Monk]

Never before in US history has an election and a result caused such major polarisation of an electorate......

[lost in melb.]

If you have examples, I will read them. My impression is a net negative based on the highly inflamed racial tensions we saw during his administration. I'm not opposed to lancing the boil, but you damn well better have some salve ready.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/346647-opinion-the-real-record-on-black-america-under-trump-vs
http://www.blackenterprise.com/president-obamas-positive-track-record-for-helping-african-americans/

I actually think the best thing would be to go out and speak to your black friends and ask them.

I think most of this stuff is psychological. The fear of whites further repressing blacks and the fear of blacks becoming 'dangerous'. I think it's more dangerous to repress this stuff, and better anger than rage. Perhaps this whole unpleasant churning process (with extremes that get magnified by the media) has to happen. We're seeing the backlash now, right, with the Trump administration hitting back as a proxy from competent whites (more or less) who are hitting back because they can endure no more. I think it's part of an angry cycle that will oscillate for a while. Peace and respect needs an honest secure foundation, doesn't work with hidden resentments.

[RBP]

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/346647-opinion-the-real-record-on-black-america-under-trump-vs
http://www.blackenterprise.com/president-obamas-positive-track-record-for-helping-african-americans/

I actually think the best thing would be to go out and speak to your black friends and ask them.

I think most of this stuff is psychological. The fear of whites further repressing blacks and the fear of blacks becoming 'dangerous'. I think it's more dangerous to repress this stuff, and better anger than rage. Perhaps this whole unpleasant churning process (with extremes that get magnified by the media) has to happen. We're seeing the backlash now, right, with the Trump administration hitting back as a proxy from competent whites (more or less) who are hitting back because they can endure no more. I think it's part of an angry cycle that will oscillate for a while. Peace and respect needs an honest secure foundation, doesn't work with hidden resentments.

Those articles are interesting, thanks, but neither answers the question posed about levels of racial tension. Obama tried to use more government funded programs to provide more direct assistance versus Trump trying to change the overall economic structure for long term benefit. I would squarely support the latter as the right answer. At least the pro-Obama article admits that the expansion of health insurance was not "the Obamacare marketplace" as we hear over and over, but an expansion of the government social welfare program medicaid.

I can't argue your point on the vacillating tensions but let me add something. The black community will take no ZERO responsibility for fixing their issues (there are admittedly a few voices, but largely ignored). They simply don't have a problem, sans systemic racism. Um. Okay? That ends the conversation for me. Full stop. If you want to negotiate, okay, but screeching demands almost always meet deaf ears. And they have.

[The Monk]

Here's one for you Americans that should make you happy... :lol:



https://i.imgur.com/QKsUF1F.jpg

[Teh One Who Knocks]

It's too bad they couldn't make voting an easier process. Not that it's hard now, just make it a legit, in-home thing where people don't have to use a smartphone or PC to do it.

:-k

Maybe give your fingerprint on the ballot, drop it in the mailbox?


And trust the people in the chain? The mail people, the receivers, the sorters, the talliers? Too many people in the chain. Too many chances to usurp the process. If it was completely digital and we could do it at home, but then again, coders can be biased too.

Colorado is a mail-in ballot state. You can still go and stand in line at the polls like it's 1984 still or you can drop your ballot in the mail or at any number of ballot collection boxes in your precinct. I haven't physically gone to vote at a polling station in many years.

:dunno:

[DemonGeminiX]

:nono:

They're lulling you into a false sense of security.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

You can track your ballot online and see when it's been received and accepted :dunno:

[Godfather]

You can track your ballot online and see when it's been received and accepted :dunno:

But you had no clue Porky intercepted it and changed your vote to Waka Flocka Flame :datass:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

But you had no clue Porky intercepted it and changed your vote to Waka Flocka Flame :datass:

Get outta here with your ol' parliamentary system of government :hand:

[Godfather]

Get outta here with your ol' parliamentary system of government :hand:

We just asked the Brits nicely and that's what they gave us :daisy:

[DemonGeminiX]

Generally speaking, when parents have hell with their first child, they often will ease up on the second to avoid the stress.

[lost in melb.]

Those articles are interesting, thanks, but neither answers the question posed about levels of racial tension. Obama tried to use more government funded programs to provide more direct assistance versus Trump trying to change the overall economic structure for long term benefit. I would squarely support the latter as the right answer. At least the pro-Obama article admits that the expansion of health insurance was not "the Obamacare marketplace" as we hear over and over, but an expansion of the government social welfare program medicaid.

I can't argue your point on the vacillating tensions but let me add something. The black community will take no ZERO responsibility for fixing their issues (there are admittedly a few voices, but largely ignored). They simply don't have a problem, sans systemic racism. Um. Okay? That ends the conversation for me. Full stop. If you want to negotiate, okay, but screeching demands almost always meet deaf ears. And they have.

Understand your last point - if they won't converse then there can't be a conversation. I guess what I'm implying, or adding, is they might just want to screech at this stage.

[RBP]

We just asked the Brits nicely and that's what they gave us :daisy:

And the same seems to apply to this day, Canadians say please...

Americans on the other hand...

https://i.imgur.com/hbMVCir.jpg?1

say fuck you.

[Muddy]

I like the Canadians though.. All I have met have been solid peeps.. I consider them to be brothers..