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RBP
02-13-2018, 07:41 PM
* The proposal sharply curtails income-based loan repayment plans.
* It would also scratch the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program and embolden the government to go after students who don't pay their loans.

Higher education faces massive changes in President Donald Trump's spending plan.

The proposal unveiled Monday would sharply curtail income-based loan repayment plans, scratch the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program, embolden the government to go after students who don't pay their loans and cut funding for federal work study in half.

Changes to loans would apply to borrowing after July 1, 2019, not including those loans provided to borrowers to finish their current education.

The budget would eliminate subsidized loans. Some 5.7 million students had subsidized loans in the 2016-2017 academic year, according to Mark Kantrowitz, a student loan expert.

The budget plan also would narrow the number of income-driven repayment plans — in which people pay back their loans at a rate that takes into consideration their income — from four to just one. Under that option, students' monthly payments would be capped at 12.5 percent. Students generally pay 10 percent of their discretionary income under current income-based repayment plans.

However, undergraduate students would have their loans forgiven after 15 years, compared with 20 years now. So they'd be paying more per month, but less overall. Graduate students, meanwhile, would not have their loans forgiven for 30 years.

Graduate students pay more

"Graduate students would be paying significantly more," Kantrowitz said.

Pell Grants would be expanded to cover short-term, training programs.

The Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program is eliminated in the proposed budget. This program allows former students who fulfill certain public service positions — such as public school teachers or health researchers — to have their loans erased after 10 years of on-time payments. Nearly two-thirds of student loan borrowers who've shown interest in the Public Service Loan Forgiveness earn less than $50,000 a year.

"You may have fewer people pursuing degrees in areas that will lead to public service occupations," said Kantrowitz. "You won't have as many prosecutors and public defenders. You won't have as many people pursuing law enforcement or becoming EMTs, firemen and members of the military."

People whose loans fall into delinquency would be subject to more stringent enforcement as the proposal also calls to "streamline the Department of Education's ability to verify applicants' income data held by the Internal Revenue Service."

Some 30 programs would also lose funding, including the Supporting Effective Instruction State Grants, 21st Century Community Learning Centers and Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant programs.

The president's proposal is subject to approval by Congress and is likely to be modified by legislators.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-13-2018, 07:45 PM
Good! You shouldn't be able to decide to go to school, apply for government backed and taxpayer financed loans, and then decide that you don't feel like paying them back because you can't find a job in your field of Women's Interpretive Dance During the Renaissance Period.

RBP
02-13-2018, 07:47 PM
Rough example of the forgiveness for government or social service work...

Master's loans: $100,000
Social Services job pays $40,000
Less allowed deductions, the disposable income number is let's say $25,000.

That's $2083 a month, so the income-based payment would be about $208.

Under the forgiveness plan, you pay that for 10 years. 10*12*208 = $24,960.

The other $75k is forgiven.

RBP
02-13-2018, 07:48 PM
Good! You shouldn't be able to decide to go to school, apply for government backed and taxpayer financed loans, and then decide that you don't feel like paying them back because you can't find a job in your field of Women's Interpretive Dance During the Renaissance Period.

Well except that the feds took over the student loan program, so you really don't have an option but to use the government.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-13-2018, 07:49 PM
Well except that the feds took over the student loan program, so you really don't have an option but to use the government.

That's beside the point, once you decide to use taxpayer funded loans, then you should be forced to pay them back, not have them 'forgiven'.

RBP
02-13-2018, 07:55 PM
That's beside the point, once you decide to use taxpayer funded loans, then you should be forced to pay them back, not have them 'forgiven'.

Not arguing, just clarifying...It's not taxpayer funded as far as I know. The program makes billions of dollars a year. That's why Elizabeth Warren was screaming about wanting interest rate cuts.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-13-2018, 07:59 PM
Not arguing, just clarifying...It's not taxpayer funded as far as I know. The program makes billions of dollars a year. That's why Elizabeth Warren was screaming about wanting interest rate cuts.

I just assumed....my bad. Where does the money come from then?

RBP
02-13-2018, 08:05 PM
I just assumed....my bad. Where does the money come from then?

The interest on the loans. But apparently the answer depends on who you ask and what accounting method is used.

Warren: $66 billion profit is predatory. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/oct/01/elizabeth-warren/uncle-sam-track-make-66-billion-profit-6-years-stu/
Forbes: $28 billion profit is actually a $183 billion loss: https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/08/04/why-government-doesnt-profit-from-student-loans/#74149012eb63

:dunno:

Muddy
02-13-2018, 09:19 PM
That's beside the point, once you decide to use taxpayer funded loans, then you should be forced to pay them back, not have them 'forgiven'.

Also! Once you are forced to pay Social Security you should get it all you money back! Lets make this work both ways and not always in favor of the suck ass predatory government!
:cheer:

Teh One Who Knocks
02-14-2018, 11:20 AM
Also! Once you are forced to pay Social Security you should get it all you money back! Lets make this work both ways and not always in favor of the suck ass predatory government!
:cheer:

Did you see in the other thread where I said that exact thing? :slap:

PorkChopSandwiches
02-14-2018, 05:18 PM
You wouldn't need these outrageous loans if you just provided affordable schooling. Why are there people in the UC system making more than the president?

Muddy
02-14-2018, 05:34 PM
You wouldn't need these outrageous loans if you just provided affordable schooling. Why are there people in the UC system making more than the president?

It's completely out of hand...

PorkChopSandwiches
02-14-2018, 05:49 PM
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-university-of-california-administration-1493137774-htmlstory.html


TL;DR

The administration of the University of California system pays top workers salaries and benefits significantly higher than that of similar state employees, and failed to disclose to the Board of Regents and the public that it had $175 million in budget reserve funds while it was seeking to raise tuition,

“Our report concludes that the Office of the President has amassed substantial reserve funds, used misleading budgeting practices, provided its employees with generous salaries and atypical benefits, and failed to satisfactorily justify its spending on system wide initiatives,”

“The reserve included $32 million in unspent funds it received from an annual charge levied on the campuses—funds that campuses could have spent on students,”

Administrative salaries amounted to $2.5 million more than the maximum annual salary ranges for comparable state employees

For instance, an accounting manager’s maximum annual salary is $169,000 at UC compared to $156,000 for other state employees.

An information system manager can make $258,000 with UC, but $150,000 with other state agencies.

“10 executives in the Office of the President whose compensation we analyzed were paid a total of $3.7 million in fiscal year 2014-15 — over $700,000 more than the combined salaries of their highest paid state employee counterparts.”

The Office of the President also spent more than $2 million for its staff’s business meetings and entertainment expenses over the past five years

Office of the President reimbursed questionable travel expenses, including a ticket for a theater performance and limousine services. One person spent $350 per night on hotel rooms

PorkChopSandwiches
02-14-2018, 05:53 PM
In 2016 at the University of Berkley 8 people made more than $500,000. 2 of them making almost $3,000,000 each as coaches :facepalm:

Teh One Who Knocks
02-14-2018, 05:55 PM
In 2016 at the University of Berkley 8 people made more than $500,000. 2 of them making almost $3,000,000 each as coaches :facepalm:

Coaching is different though, major college football programs are revenue generators and make a lot of money for the university. You aren't going to make that kinda money at Podunk U but you will at Alabama or UCLA.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-14-2018, 07:12 PM
Ok, fine. But the college is NOT paying the athletes (In theory) and making tons of money off of the games and merch, why isnt that used to keep tuition low as well?