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Teh One Who Knocks
07-07-2011, 12:18 AM
By Health and Science Correspondent Kate Kelland | Reuters


LONDON (Reuters) - If Aubrey de Grey's predictions are right, the first person who will live to see their 150th birthday has already been born. And the first person to live for 1,000 years could be less than 20 years younger.

A biomedical gerontologist and chief scientist of a foundation dedicated to longevity research, de Grey reckons that within his own lifetime doctors could have all the tools they need to "cure" aging -- banishing diseases that come with it and extending life indefinitely.

"I'd say we have a 50/50 chance of bringing aging under what I'd call a decisive level of medical control within the next 25 years or so," de Grey said in an interview before delivering a lecture at Britain's Royal Institution academy of science.

"And what I mean by decisive is the same sort of medical control that we have over most infectious diseases today."

De Grey sees a time when people will go to their doctors for regular "maintenance," which by then will include gene therapies, stem cell therapies, immune stimulation and a range of other advanced medical techniques to keep them in good shape.

De Grey lives near Cambridge University where he won his doctorate in 2000 and is chief scientific officer of the non-profit California-based SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence) Foundation, which he co-founded in 2009.

He describes aging as the lifelong accumulation of various types of molecular and cellular damage throughout the body.

"The idea is to engage in what you might call preventative geriatrics, where you go in to periodically repair that molecular and cellular damage before it gets to the level of abundance that is pathogenic," he explained.

CHALLENGE

Exactly how far and how fast life expectancy will increase in the future is a subject of some debate, but the trend is clear. An average of three months is being added to life expectancy every year at the moment and experts estimate there could be a million centenarians across the world by 2030.

To date, the world's longest-living person on record lived to 122 and in Japan alone there were more than 44,000 centenarians in 2010.

Some researchers say, however, that the trend toward longer lifespan may falter due to an epidemic of obesity now spilling over from rich nations into the developing world.

De Grey's ideas may seem far-fetched, but $20,000 offered in 2005 by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Technology Review journal for any molecular biologist who showed that de Grey's SENS theory was "so wrong that it was unworthy of learned debate" was never won.

The judges on that panel were prompted into action by an angry put-down of de Grey from a group of nine leading scientists who dismissed his work as "pseudo science."

They concluded that this label was not fair, arguing instead that SENS "exists in a middle ground of yet-to-be-tested ideas that some people may find intriguing but which others are free to doubt."

CELL THERAPY

For some, the prospect of living for hundreds of years is not particularly attractive, either, as it conjures up an image of generations of sick, weak old people and societies increasingly less able to cope.

But de Grey says that's not what he's working for. Keeping the killer diseases of old age at bay is the primary focus.

"This is absolutely not a matter of keeping people alive in a bad state of health," he told Reuters. "This is about preventing people from getting sick as a result of old age. The particular therapies that we are working on will only deliver long life as a side effect of delivering better health."

De Grey divides the damage caused by aging into seven main categories for which repair techniques need to be developed if his prediction for continual maintenance is to come true.

He notes that while for some categories, the science is still in its earliest stages, there are others where it's already almost there.

"Stem cell therapy is a big part of this. It's designed to reverse one type of damage, namely the loss of cells when cells die and are not automatically replaced, and it's already in clinical trials (in humans)," he said.

Stem cell therapies are currently being trialed in people with spinal cord injuries, and de Grey and others say they may one day be used to find ways to repair disease-damaged brains and hearts.

NO AGE LIMIT

Cardiovascular diseases are the world's biggest age-related killers and de Grey says there is a long way to go on these though researchers have figured out the path to follow.

Heart diseases that cause heart failure, heart attacks and strokes are brought about by the accumulation of certain types of what de Grey calls "molecular garbage" -- byproducts of the body's metabolic processes -- which our bodies are not able to break down or excrete.

"The garbage accumulates inside the cell, and eventually it gets in the way of the cell's workings," he said.

De Grey is working with colleagues in the United States to identify enzymes in other species that can break down the garbage and clean out the cells -- and the aim then is to devise genetic therapies to give this capability to humans.

"If we could do that in the case of certain modified forms of cholesterol which accumulate in cells of the artery wall, then we simply would not get cardiovascular disease," he said.

De Grey is reluctant to make firm predictions about how long people will be able to live in future, but he does say that with each major advance in longevity, scientists will buy more time to make yet more scientific progress.

In his view, this means that the first person who will live to 1,000 is likely to be born less than 20 years after the first person to reach 150.

"I call it longevity escape velocity -- where we have a sufficiently comprehensive panel of therapies to enable us to push back the ill health of old age faster than time is passing. And that way, we buy ourselves enough time to develop more therapies further as time goes on," he said.

"What we can actually predict in terms of how long people will live is absolutely nothing, because it will be determined by the risk of death from other causes like accidents," he said.

"But there really shouldn't be any limit imposed by how long ago you were born. The whole point of maintenance is that it works indefinitely."

deebakes
07-07-2011, 02:08 AM
as a researcher in the aging field, i think this person is banking on excluding everyone with any potential health problems. the techniques they are talking about using to reverse aging in humans have been tested (with minimal success) in animal model systems, suggesting the actual implementation of these things is way off.

Hal-9000
07-07-2011, 02:12 AM
gimme some of those stem cells

deebakes
07-07-2011, 02:21 AM
the delivery needs to be right, otherwise they do very little...

Godfather
07-07-2011, 04:35 AM
I've seen some really neat videos on this. There are some brilliant minds out there viewing aging as a disease, and can explain it They can also effectively argue that it wouldn't cause the surface problems for the the planet we worry about if people just stopped dieing. Hopefully this isn't just a dream for the future like flying cars were in the 1910's.

Should would be amazing to see a few centuries... there's a lot of stuff I hope is only a few hundred years off but a natural lifespan won't allow me to see

FBD
07-07-2011, 11:14 AM
how's that telomerase? :D

DemonGeminiX
07-07-2011, 11:30 AM
how's that telomerase? :D

Telomerase. The scientific basis for the division of Ash in Army of Darkness.

:tup:

Goofy
07-07-2011, 11:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWfhopxpPr8

PorkChopSandwiches
07-07-2011, 04:28 PM
as a researcher in the aging field, i think this person is banking on excluding everyone with any potential health problems. the techniques they are talking about using to reverse aging in humans have been tested (with minimal success) in animal model systems, suggesting the actual implementation of these things is way off.

wtf does this have to do with tubgirl?

Deepsepia
07-07-2011, 06:00 PM
I very much doubt this. With each extension of life, we've encountered new things that we previously hadn't seen that'll kill you. When life expectancy was 50, smoking didn't impact it at all . . . you fix a few things, push life expectancy out twenty years, and you find that smoking kills people between 50 and 75.

As more people live to be older, we'll just find things that break that we hadn't noticed before.

Hal-9000
07-07-2011, 06:07 PM
The general wear and tear on organs is what I've read about..after those lungs, those kidneys and that liver filter out contaminants for years, they break down....not to mention the heart.

Seems like a person would have to get very focused organ cell regeneration, rather than replacing the whole thing.

Arteries and veins clog all over the body throughout years of general use.

MrsM
07-07-2011, 06:17 PM
My grandmother lived to be in her late 90's - blind, deaf, had dementia... so unless the quality of life much better - I would say no thanks

Hal-9000
07-07-2011, 06:25 PM
My grandmother lived to be in her late 90's - blind, deaf, had dementia... so unless the quality of life much better - I would say no thanks

My Mom quite smoking over 30 years ago and is on 24 hour oxygen now..she has dementia and can barely function from day to day.

I'm with you, who wants to live to 100 if other people have to constantly take care of you and you're in pain...that's no quality of life.

Godfather
07-08-2011, 02:00 AM
My grandmother lived to be in her late 90's - blind, deaf, had dementia... so unless the quality of life much better - I would say no thanks

Nobody is proposing that.. .It's not intended to be like that at all... if you read the articles and watch the videos, what these scientists are envisioning is curing all the causes of aging.

It's not just about keeping your heart beating in a rotting shell of a body. The idea isn't keeping the engine running in that '87 Corolla while the floor rots out.

It's about slowing the aging of all your organs, skin, mind, bones. Keeping the metabolic functions of your body in tip-top shape.

This guy seems a little nuts but he explains it brilliantly: http://www.ted.com/talks/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging.html

DemonGeminiX
07-08-2011, 02:10 AM
Arteries and veins clog all over the body throughout years of general use.

Nanobots will take care of that in the future.

:tup:

Godfather
07-08-2011, 02:11 AM
Nanobots will take care of that in the future.

:tup:

There was an article not too long ago about nanotechnology going in and targeting cancer cells in a living creature too... that shit should be huge down the road as well :thumbsup:

deebakes
07-08-2011, 04:21 AM
jim jones also explained things brilliantly :lol:

JoeyB
07-08-2011, 05:45 AM
jim jones also explained things brilliantly :lol:

I always drinks lots of Kool-Aid. Oh Yeah!

Teh One Who Knocks
07-08-2011, 11:02 AM
Nanobots will take care of that in the future.

:tup:

That's how the Replicators will take over :|