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Teh One Who Knocks
08-16-2018, 10:48 AM
By Michael Sinkewicz - Pluralist


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A progressive young American couple was killed in an Islamic State-claimed terrorist attack last month while on a bike trip around the world.

Jay Austin and Lauren Geoghegan, who were both in their late 20s, quit their jobs in 2017 to embark on a trip around the world. Austin, a vegan, and Geoghegan, a vegetarian, decided that they're were wasting their lives working.

"I’ve grown tired of spending the best hours of my day in front of a glowing rectangle, of coloring the best years of my life in swaths of grey and beige,” Austin wrote on his blog before he quit. “I’ve missed too many sunsets while my back was turned. Too many thunderstorms went unwatched, too many gentle breezes unnoticed.”

The couple documented their year-long journey on social media until it came to a tragic and gruesome end in Tajikistan, a country with a known terrorist presence.

Austin and Geoghegan were riding their bikes in the country on July 29 when they were rammed by a car, according to CBS News. Five men got out of the car and stabbed them to death along with two other cyclists, one from Switzerland and the other from the Netherlands.

Two days later, ISIS released a video showing the same men sitting in front of the black ISIS flag. They looked at the camera and vowed to kill "disbelievers," according to The New York Times.

Throughout the trip, the couple embraced the kindness of strangers and sought to demonstrate that people are inherently good.

“You read the papers and you’re led to believe that the world is a big, scary place," Austin wrote. “People, the narrative goes, are not to be trusted. People are bad. People are evil."

“I don’t buy it," he continued. "Evil is a make-believe concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own... By and large, humans are kind. Self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes, but kind. Generous and wonderful and kind.”

Some conservatives have framed the tragedy as a cautionary tale about not just the perils of travel but also naivete in general. In their telling, an overly generous understanding of human nature is behind much of today's progressive movement, including calls to radically scale back immigration enforcement and policing and support for socialism.

Some liberals, for their part, might view Austin and Geoghegan as martyrs in the struggle for a better world, or simply as unfortunate.

RBP
08-16-2018, 11:21 AM
He shouldn't have started the conversation with, "I'm a vegan".

Teh One Who Knocks
08-16-2018, 11:30 AM
"I’ve grown tired of spending the best hours of my day in front of a glowing rectangle, of coloring the best years of my life in swaths of grey and beige,” Austin wrote on his blog before he quit. “I’ve missed too many sunsets while my back was turned. Too many thunderstorms went unwatched, too many gentle breezes unnoticed.”

:roll: He was in his twenties.

Play stupid games....


"Evil is a make-believe concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own...

I guess evil isn't a made up thing after all

Goofy
08-16-2018, 12:08 PM
:rofl:

RBP
08-16-2018, 01:10 PM
I guess evil isn't a made up thing after all

It's not evil or religion, it's toxic masculinity. :hand:

Muddy
08-16-2018, 01:12 PM
2 stupid mother fuckers...

RBP
08-16-2018, 01:14 PM
2 stupid mother fuckers...

or that :lol:

Muddy
08-16-2018, 01:22 PM
:dance:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-16-2018, 02:36 PM
It's not evil or religion, it's toxic masculinity. :hand:

Good and evil are social constructs like male and female genders :x

RBP
08-16-2018, 02:53 PM
Good and evil are social constructs like male and female genders :x

I hope they get 40 nonconfirming virgins in heaven.

Pony
08-16-2018, 07:07 PM
It was an act of human kindness to the rest of us.

PorkChopSandwiches
08-16-2018, 07:33 PM
:rofl:

Godfather
08-17-2018, 12:12 AM
I once had a friend tell me she was going to Vietnam to “walk off the beaten path and go where other tourists don’t.” My other buddy and I had to sit her down and show her some articles about land mines that night.

It’s shocking how many people have a sense of adventure that’s significantly louder than their sense of self-preservation and common sense :lol:

Godfather
08-17-2018, 12:14 AM
This article is an embellishment to make anti-millennials and people who are scary of travelling horny though:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/millenial-couple-isis-tajikistan/

RBP
08-17-2018, 02:56 AM
This article is an embellishment to make anti-millennials and people who are scary of travelling horny though:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/millenial-couple-isis-tajikistan/

But even Snopes says that only the headline was an embellishment. Even the quotes about good and evil appear real...

Godfather
08-17-2018, 05:44 AM
Agreed, it's not a total fabrication it's an embellishment, but if the headline an embellishment (https://immagic.com/eLibrary/ARCHIVES/GENERAL/GENPRESS/S130606M.pdf) :lol: ....

Teh One Who Knocks
08-17-2018, 10:39 AM
This article is an embellishment to make anti-millennials and people who are scary of travelling horny though:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/millenial-couple-isis-tajikistan/

You do realize that Snopes is not completely unbiased in their fact checking, right?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/07/18/snopes_and_editorializing_fact_checks_137551.html

RBP
08-17-2018, 12:03 PM
You do realize that Snopes is not completely unbiased in their fact checking, right?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/07/18/snopes_and_editorializing_fact_checks_137551.html

I was thinking the same thing. Even "fact checkers" have become politicized.

Godfather
08-17-2018, 02:56 PM
You two really want this article to be taken at face value eh :lol:

Godfather
08-17-2018, 03:03 PM
The fact is that Tajikistan was a level 1 travel advisory (the lowest possible) and is still only a level 2 now. The article and headline in particular would have you believe they were in “ISIS territory trying to make friends” like they went to Syria or Iraq. Tajikistan is not the heart of ISIS country by any stretch. It’s dishonest, what’s that have to do with Snopes... These kids were naive in their writing but not suicidal.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-17-2018, 03:09 PM
You two really want this article to be taken at face value eh :lol:

No, I'm just saying that Snopes isn't the end all be all that people make it out to be. People pull out Snopes to say, "see, I told you so." Maybe at one point Snopes wasn't biased or maybe they always have been, I don't know. But because they editorialize their 'fact checking', that makes them biased in how they present their facts. It's like their little loophole to get around how they don't fact check opinion as mentioned in the Real Clear Politics story about them, but they get to interject their own opinion/bias into their fact checking.

That's all I'm saying, I don't care if the article is 100% right or not, I didn't write it :lol: It's just funny on a Darwin Award level.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-17-2018, 03:12 PM
The fact is that Tajikistan was a level 1 travel advisory (the lowest possible) and is still only a level 2 now. The article and headline in particular would have you believe they were in “ISIS territory trying to make friends” like they went to Syria or Iraq. Tajikistan is not the heart of ISIS country by any stretch. It’s dishonest, what’s that have to do with Snopes... These kids were naive in their writing but not suicidal.

The headline doesn't state they went through "the heart of ISIS territory" at all. They were killed by terrorists and ISIS took credit for their deaths, so doesn't that make it logical to assume that ISIS has a presence where these numpties were killed? And I'm sorry, but no sane person would suggest that a bike ride through the Tajik backcountry would be a 100% safe vacation :lol:

Godfather
08-17-2018, 03:14 PM
I still see it as dishonest -it says they ‘went to IsIs territory to prove’ something which I see no evidence of. Again: Level 1 travel advisory... probably better than France :lol: ... they had no real reason to believe they’d be in huge danger of terrorism based on that, and that Tajikistan isn’t Isis controlled (just had a scary name and probably poverty). I say this article is click bait

RBP
08-18-2018, 04:10 AM
I still see it as dishonest -it says they ‘went to IsIs territory to prove’ something which I see no evidence of. Again: Level 1 travel advisory... probably better than France :lol: ... they had no real reason to believe they’d be in huge danger of terrorism based on that, and that Tajikistan isn’t Isis controlled (just had a scary name and probably poverty). I say this article is click bait

I will concede "click bait" if you will concede "ironic".

Hikari Kisugi
08-18-2018, 08:13 AM
I laughed. Naughty me. I would be going to hell only it doesn't exist :/
Something about them being vegans seemed to make the article even more amusing.

Griffin
08-18-2018, 10:48 AM
I thought I had accidentally walked into a Vegan restaurant once... turns out it was just a florist shop. :oops: