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Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 08:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PCtB5OM.jpg




When someone has a different view than mine, I try to never say they are stupid or ignorant of facts. Their available facts may be different than my available facts.

I've seen some intricate and long debates on this subject and will say that the Flat Earth believers get a little deep into the weeds with their explanations.


My main question - If every space mission, every picture taken of Earth, every science text book featuring our solar system is false...Why?

What do we gain by perpetrating this huge complicated lie to the people of the world?

The estimated cost of altering/faking every photo taken and the level of conspiracy necessary in terms of the sheer number of people involved over the decades is staggering.

:-k

Teh One Who Knocks
01-07-2019, 08:11 PM
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3941/36WQ6y.jpg

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 08:16 PM
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, read about gravity.

The theories on what causes it and what effect it has can remove years of your life.

Basically, it's agreed that gravitational force will cause objects to become round over time.

When comparing two planets, it's not the size of the planet that determines gravitational force. It's the density and mass of the planet.

So theoretically there can be a planet that's 20 times bigger and it may have less gravity than a smaller planet.


All that to say smaller objects with less density like asteroids and comets, end up being odd shaped and not round.

So riddle me this Flat Earthers - If Earth is shaped like a pie, where does all of our gravity come from?

Teh One Who Knocks
01-07-2019, 08:19 PM
https://i.imgur.com/XVG6vIf.png

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 08:31 PM
https://i.imgur.com/XVG6vIf.png

Interesting. I just read something from NASA saying gravity is the contributing force behind the shape of planetary objects.

That...piece of writing states that Earth is constantly accelerating up, at a rate of 32 feet per second squared and that causes the effect we know as gravity.

Up from where? To determine up you need to start at a stasis point or motion antithetical to up. And we've been traveling up since the beginning of time?

I wonder how our entire solar system of round planets and objects follows us up, while somehow spiraling around the sun simultaneously ? :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
01-07-2019, 08:40 PM
https://i.imgur.com/BmpJrkh.png

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 08:44 PM
The other planets and sun revolve around the Earth? It sits at the center of the solar system?

*ring ring*

It's the 1500's calling and they want to speak to you! :)

Teh One Who Knocks
01-07-2019, 08:48 PM
Typical globehead response :rolleyes:

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 08:59 PM
Typical Fat Earther insult! :x

oops, darn that autocorrect

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 09:05 PM
Well Mr Opposing Viewpoint you still haven't answered my question.

If the Earth is not round, why the cover up? Who benefits and why?

Pony
01-07-2019, 09:20 PM
I was up on a ladder today and I can say with 100% certainty that the Earth is flat.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-07-2019, 09:30 PM
Well Mr Opposing Viewpoint you still haven't answered my question.

If the Earth is not round, why the cover up? Who benefits and why?

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 09:33 PM
I was up on a ladder today and I can say with 100% certainty that the Earth is flat.

Aw jeez you just made me realize something. The Flat Earth people DO think the sun revolves around the Earth.

Seasons in another interesting conversation :lol:

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 09:38 PM
https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy

:-k

That page says it's not really the shape of Earth that's the lie, the lie is the idea of space travel in general.

Okay I'll ask again. Why? Why lie about space travel, what is the benefit?

Hal-9000
01-07-2019, 09:43 PM
I wonder what the FE's think of satellites? None of them exist, not even the telecommunications satellites?

So according to the Nasa hoax, we've never even put a satellite in orbit?

That's weird, because a friend and I watched one travel the entire arc of the sky one night. It was too high up to be plane and the news told us where to watch for it.

Hal-9000
01-09-2019, 08:24 PM
I wonder how insulted real astronauts feel when they read some of these theories?

There are actually groups of people who believe Clem_069 from Kentucky, over pilots that risked their lives in vehicles that flew higher than 40000 feet.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-09-2019, 08:44 PM
Because they're part of the cover-up, duh :rolleyes:

Hal-9000
01-09-2019, 09:08 PM
Because they're part of the cover-up, duh :rolleyes:

Cover this Clem! :beatdown:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-09-2019, 11:07 PM
Always violence with you Globeheads :roll:

Hal-9000
01-09-2019, 11:12 PM
Riddle me this Batman. If the world is flat, how do boats sail around the world?

Hal-9000
01-09-2019, 11:16 PM
*let's all take a refreshing break while Lance consults the Idiotic Response to Logical Questions Guide* :)

Hal-9000
01-10-2019, 06:04 PM
:waiting:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-10-2019, 06:13 PM
https://i.imgur.com/r7NNPt2.png

Hal-9000
01-10-2019, 06:14 PM
south is rimwards


:rofl: indeed it is

Hal-9000
01-10-2019, 06:17 PM
So using that map and theory, what is on the underside of the flat Earth? :shock:

Is that unmapped territory?

Pony
01-10-2019, 11:13 PM
https://i.imgur.com/aJ0bFdJ.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
01-11-2019, 12:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/b0UZUUeh.jpg

:woot:

Hal-9000
01-11-2019, 05:54 PM
My city has had a bitter rivalry with that city for decades. Those northerners are strange and do some strange things. The conference doesn't surprise me.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-11-2019, 06:02 PM
But it means it's close enough for you to go this year :tup:

Hal-9000
01-14-2019, 09:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/9Qc03XP.jpg

Hal-9000
01-15-2019, 07:36 PM
Just found a list of eight simple ways to prove to idiots that the Earth is round :thumbsup:


Made you look, idiot! :bye:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-15-2019, 08:15 PM
:wrong:

Hal-9000
01-15-2019, 08:33 PM
So that Flat Earth believer attempted to fly his rocket up to 1800 feet to have a look around. He made it to 1875 feet before plummeting back down :tup:

The entire exercise was performed so he could view the horizon and either confirm or deny the roundness of the Earth.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Commercial airline flights travel about 38000 feet higher than his attempt.

These are your people Lance, help them :rofl:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-15-2019, 09:00 PM
It was sabotaged.

Hal-9000
01-15-2019, 09:05 PM
His thinking or the result?

Oh yeah, same thing :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-15-2019, 09:07 PM
His thinking or the result?

Oh yeah, same thing :lol:

:hater:

Hal-9000
01-15-2019, 09:14 PM
The Flat Earthers are like the people who think the Moon landings are fake.

You ask them why and get nonsensical responses like - Because we were in a competition with the Russians or NASA needed funding. If they didn't actually go to the moon or have a space flight program, what would they need additional money for? :lol:

It becomes a circular conversation where their main point...has no main point. It's just a cobbled together list of really bad science and even worse reasoning.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-18-2019, 02:48 PM
https://i.imgur.com/p6CRBUz.png

Hal-9000
01-18-2019, 05:09 PM
:lol:

I was okay until that very last statement about the sun's spotlight.

then the dam burst :rofl:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-18-2019, 05:25 PM
Because you fear the truth? :-s

Hal-9000
01-18-2019, 05:49 PM
Because you fear the truth? :-s

No, now I fear my camera! :shock:

Hal-9000
01-20-2019, 06:38 PM
Hey flat earthers...tonight is going to be a total lunar eclipse. Wanna know what happens during a lunar eclipse?

The Earth is between the Sun and the moon and casts its shadow onto the moon. A ROUND shadow.


check it out :thumbsup:

Pony
01-20-2019, 10:00 PM
That's because as the sun revolves around the earth it dips below the edge casting a curved shadow on the moon.





:huh:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-21-2019, 12:10 PM
https://i.imgur.com/FytOCbQ.png

Pony
01-21-2019, 12:14 PM
"A lunar eclipse occurs about twice a year when a satellite of the sun passes between the sun and moon. This satellite is called Earth."

FTFY

Hal-9000
01-21-2019, 04:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/FytOCbQ.png

So they believe in a shadow object they've NEVER seen that causes eclipse shadows but not the curvature of the planet they live on? :lol:

Hal-9000
01-21-2019, 04:29 PM
That's because as the sun revolves around the earth it dips below the edge casting a curved shadow on the moon.





:huh:

:beatdown: Let me beat the medieval thinking out of you. It will only take a few hours.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-21-2019, 04:30 PM
So they believe in a shadow object they've NEVER seen that causes eclipse shadows but not the curvature of the planet they live on? :lol:

It's explained perfectly :shakehead:

Hal-9000
01-21-2019, 04:33 PM
I may need an elaborate drawing :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
01-23-2019, 04:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/GDaPFISl.jpg

:-k

Hal-9000
01-23-2019, 05:35 PM
Sunrise and sunset would be a more abrupt thing :-k

Godfather
01-24-2019, 07:00 AM
https://i.redd.it/z9ayyne15ac21.jpg

:-k

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 06:48 PM
GF? You know they're going to say that the disk is somehow sideways and that's what causes the round shadow :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 07:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtHuTVXZGFw

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 07:19 PM
Yes, and? :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 07:21 PM
Globeheads :roll:

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 07:26 PM
Explain the video please. Was it trying to imply that the moon was covered by the sun to create the eclipse?

I have read some flat earth theories that say the moon is a LOT closer than we think and the sun is a LOT smaller than we think.

?

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 07:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/bEh93Gb.png

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 07:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/jet6QZi.png

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 07:33 PM
https://i.imgur.com/bEh93Gb.png

IT HAS A DIAMETER OF 32 MILES

:lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::lol::lol::lol::lo l:

stop, stop, close the thread....you're hurting me :lol:

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 07:35 PM
The moon and the sun are the same size and both are only 3000 miles above Earth.

Since space travel is a lie according to flat earth people, did they use a tape measure?


ffs :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 07:41 PM
It's called science :rolleyes:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 07:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/8CQVE13.png
https://i.imgur.com/neLIHav.png

Teh One Who Knocks
01-25-2019, 03:20 AM
:tumble:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-25-2019, 03:14 PM
The following is a verbatim copy of A Hundred Proofs the Earth Is Not a Globe by William Carpenter (1885).


The aeronaut can see for himself that Earth is a Plane. The appearance presented to him, even at the highest elevation he has ever attained, is that of a concave surface - this being exactly what is to be expected of a surface that is truly level, since it is the nature of level surfaces to appear to rise to a level with the eye of the observer. This is ocular demonstration and proof that Earth is not a globe.
Whenever experiments have been tried on the surface of standing water, this surface has always been found to be level. If the Earth were a globe, the surface of all standing water would be convex. This is an experimental proof that Earth is not a globe.
Surveyors' operations in the construction of railroads, tunnels, or canals are conducted without the slightest "allowance" being made for "curvature," although it is taught that this so-called allowance is absolutely necessary! This is a cutting proof that Earth is not a globe.
There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity." It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe.
The lights which are exhibited in lighthouses are seen by navigators at distances at which, according to the scale of the supposed "curvature" given by astronomers, they ought to be many hundreds of feet, in some cases, down below the line of sight! For instance: the light at Cape Hatteras is seen at such a distance (40 miles) that, according. to theory, it ought to be nine-hundred feet higher above the level of the sea than it absolutely is, in order to be visible! This is a conclusive proof that there is no "curvature," on the surface of the sea - "the level of the sea,"- ridiculous though it is to be under the necessity of proving it at all: but it is, nevertheless, a conclusive proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If we stand on the sands of the sea-shore and watch a ship approach us, we shall find that she will apparently "rise" - to the extent, of her own height, nothing more. If we stand upon an eminence, the same law operates still; and it is but the law of perspective, which causes objects, as they approach us, to appear to increase in size until we see them, close to us, the size they are in fact. That there is no other "rise" than the one spoken of is plain from the fact that, no matter how high we ascend above the level of the sea, the horizon rises on and still on as we rise, so that it is always on a level with the eye, though it be two-hundred miles away, as seen by Mr. J. Glaisher, of England, from Mr. Coxwell's balloon. So that a ship five miles away may be imagined to be "coming up" the imaginary downward curve of the Earth's surface, but if we merely ascend a hill such as Federal Hill, Baltimore, we may see twenty-!five miles away, on a level with the eye - that is, twenty miles level distance beyond the ship that we vainly imagined to be " rounding the curve," and "coming up!" This is a plain proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If we take a trip down the Chesapeake Bay, in the day-time, we may see for ourselves the utter fallacy of the idea that when a vessel appears "hull down," as it is called, it is because the hull is "behind the water:" for, vessels, have been seen, and may often be seen - again, presenting the appearance spoken of, and away - far away - beyond those vessels, and, at the same moment, the level shore line, with its accompanying complement of tall trees towering up, in perspective, over the heads of the "hull-down" ships! Since, then, the idea will not stand its ground when the facts rise up against it, and it is a piece of the popular theory, the theory is a contemptible piece of business, and we may easily wring from it a proof that Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, a small model globe would be the very best - because the truest - thing for the. navigator to take to sea with him. But such a thing as that is not known: with such a toy as a guide, the mariner would wreck his ship, of a certainty!, This is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
As mariners take to sea with them charts constructed as though the sea were a level surface, however these charts may err as to the true form of this level surface taken as a whole, it is clear, as they find them answer their purpose tolerably well - and only tolerably for many ships are wrecked owing to the error of which we speak - that the surface of the sea is as it is taken to be, whether the captain of the ship "supposes" the Earth to be a globe or anything else. Thus, then, we draw, from the common system of "plane sailing," a practical proof that Earth is not a globe.
That the mariners' compass points north and south at the same time is a fact as indisputable as that two and two makes four; but that this would be impossible if the thing, were placed on a globe with "north" and "south' at the centre of opposite hemispheres is a fact that does not figure in the school-books, though very easily seen: and it requires no lengthy train of reasoning to bring out of it a pointed proof that the Earth is not a globe.
As the mariners' compass points north and south at one time, and as the North, to which it is attracted is that part of the Earth situated where the North Star is in the zenith, it follows that there is no south "point" or "pole" but that, while the centre is North, a vast circumference must be South in its whole extent. This is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
As we have seen that there is, really no south point (or pole) but an infinity of points forming, together, a vast circumference -- the boundary of the known world, with its battlements of icebergs which bid defiance to man's onward course, in a southerly direction - so there can be no east or west "points,' just as there is no "yesterday," and no "tomorrow." In fact, as there is one point that is fixed (the North), it is impossible for any other point to be fixed likewise. East and west are, therefore, merely directions at right angles with a north and south line: and as the south point of the compass shifts round to all parts of the circular boundary, (as it may be carried round the central North) so the directions east and west, crossing this line, continued to form a circle at any latitude. A westerly circumnavigation, is going around with the North Star continually on the right hand, and an easterly circumnavigation is performed only when the reverse condition of things is maintained, the North Star being on the left hand as the journey is made. These facts, taken together, form a beautiful proof that the Earth is not a globe.
As the mariners' compass points north and south at one and the same time, and a meridian is a north and south line, it follows that meridians can be no other than straight lines. But, since all meridians on a globe are semicircles, it is an incontrovertible proof that the Earth is not a globe.
"Parallels of latitude" only - of all imaginary lines on the surface of the Earth - are circles, which increase, progressively, from the northern centre to the southern circumference. The mariner's course in the direction of any one of these concentric circles is his longitude, the degrees of which INCREASE to such an extent beyond the equator (going southwards) that hundreds of vessels have been wrecked because of the false idea created by the untruthfulness of the charts and the globular theory together, causing the sailor to be continually getting out of his reckoning. With a map of the Earth in its true form all difficulty is done away with, and ships may be conducted anywhere with perfect safety. This, then, is a very important practical proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The idea that, instead of sailing horizontally round the Earth, ships are taken down one side of a globe, then underneath, and are brought up on the other side to get home again, is, except as a mere dream, impossible and absurd! And, since there are neither impossibilities nor absurdities in the simple matter of circumnavigation, it stands without argument, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If the, Earth were a globe, the distance round its surface at, say, 45 "degrees" south latitude, could not possibly be any greater than it is at the same latitude north; but, since it is found by navigators to be twice the distance -- to say the least of it -- or, double the distance it ought to be according to the globular theory, it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Human beings require a surface on which to live that, in its general character, shall be LEVEL; and since the Omniscient Creator must have been perfectly acquainted with the requirements of His creatures, it follows that, being an All-wise Creator, He has met them thoroughly. This is a theological proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The best possessions of man are his senses; and, when he uses them all, he will not be deceived in his survey of nature. It is only when some one faculty or other is neglected or abused that he is deluded. Every man in full command of his senses knows that a level surface is a flat or horizontal one; but astronomers tell us that the true level is the curved surface of a globe! They know that man requires a level surface on which to live, so they give him one in name which is not one in fact! Since this is the best that astronomers, with their theoretical science, can do for their fellow creatures - deceive them - it is clear that things are not as they say they are; and, in short, it is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
Every man in his senses goes the most reasonable way to work to do a thing. Now, astronomers (one after another - following a leader), while they are telling us that Earth is a globe, are cutting off the upper half of this suppositious globe in their books, and, in this way, forming the level surface on which they describe man as living and moving! Now, if the Earth were really a globe, this would be just the most unreasonable and suicidal mode of endeavoring to show it. So that, unless theoretical astronomers are all out of their senses together, it is, clearly, a, proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The common sense of man tells him - if nothing else told him - that there is an "up" and a "down" in -nature, even as regards the heavens and the earth; but the theory of modern astronomers necessitates the conclusion that there is not: therefore, 'the theory of the astronomers is opposed to common sense - yes, and to inspiration - and this is a common sense proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Man's experience tells him that he is not constructed like the flies that can live said move upon the ceiling of a room with as much safety as on the floor: - and since the modern theory of a planetary earth necessitates a crowd of theories to keep company with it, and one of them is that men are really bound to. the earth by a force which fastens them to it "like needles round a spherical loadstone," a theory perfectly outrageous and opposed to all human experience, it follows that, unless we can trample upon common sense ane ignore the teachings of experience, we have an evident proof that the Earth is not a globe.
God's Truth never - no, never - requires a falsehood to help it along. Mr. Proctor, in his " Lessons," says: Men " have been able to go round and round the Earth in several directions." Now, in this case, the word " several will imply more than two, unquestionably: whereas, it is utterly impossible to circumnavigate the Earth in any other than an easterly or a westerly direction; and the fact is perfectly consistent and clear in its relation to Earth as a Plane.. Now, since astronomers would not be so foolish as to damage a good cause by misrepresentation, it is presumptive evidence that their cause is a bad one, and - a proof that Earth is not a globe.
If astronomical works be searched through and through, there will not be found a single instance of a bold, unhesitating, or manly ,statement respecting a proof of the Earth's " rotundity." Proctor speaks of "proofs which serve to show ... that the Earth is not flat," and says that man "finds reason to think that the Earth is not flat," and speaks of certain matters being "explained by supposing" that the Earth is a, globe; and says that people have "assured themselves that it is a globe;" but he says, also, that there is a " most complete proof that the Earth is a globe:" just as though anything in the world could possibly be wanted but a proof - a proof that proves and settles the whole question. This, however, all the money in the United States Treasury would not buy; and, unless the astronomers are all so rich that they don't want the cash, it is a sterling proof that the Earth is not a globe.
When a man speaks of a "most complete" thing amongst several other things which claim to be what that thing is, it is evident that they must fall short of something which the "most complete" thing possesses. And when it is known that the "most complete" thing is an entire failure, it is plain that the others, all and sundry, are worthless. Proctor's "most complete proof that the Earth is a globe" lies in what he calls "the fact" that distances from place to place agree with calculation. But, since the distance round the Earth at 45 " degrees" south of the equator is twice the distance it would be on a globe, it follows that what the greatest astronomer of the age calls "a fact" is NOT a fact; that his "most complete proof' is a most complete failure; and that be might as well have told us, at once, that he has NO PROOF to give us at all. Now, since, if the Earth be a globe, there would, necessarily, be piles of proofs of it all round us, it follows that when astronomers, with all their ingenuity, are utterly unable to point one out - to say nothing about picking one up - that they give us a proof that Earth is not a globe.
The surveyor's plans in relation to the laying of the first Atlantic Telegraph cable, show that in 1665 miles - from Valentia, Ireland, to St . John's, Newfoundland - the surface of the Atlantic Ocean is a LEVEL surface - not the astronomers' "level," either! The authoritative drawings, published at the time, are a standing evidence of the fact, and form a practical proof that Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, it would, if we take Valentia to be the place of departure, curvate downwards, in the 1665 miles across the Atlantic to Newfoundland, according to the astronomers' own tables, more than three hundred miles; but, as the surface of the Atlantic does not do so - the fact of its levelness having been clearly demonstrated by Telegraph Cable surveyors, - it follows that we have a grand proof that Earth is not a globe.
Astronomers, in their consideration of the supposed "curvature" of the Earth, have carefully avoided the taking of that view of the question which - if anything were needed to do so -would show its utter absurdity. It is this: - if, instead of taking our ideal point of departure to be at Valentia, we consider ourselves at St. John's, the 1665 miles of water between us and Valentia would just as well "curvate" downwards as it did in the other case! Now, since the direction in which the Earth is said to "curvate" is interchangeable - depending, indeed, upon the position occupied by a man upon its surface - the thing is utterly absurd; and it follows that the theory is an outrage , and that the Earth does not "curvate" at all: - an evident proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Astronomers are in the habit of considering two points on the Earth's surface, without, it seems, any limit as to the distance that lies between them, as being on a level, and the intervening section, even though it be an ocean, as a vast "hill"-of water!" The Atlantic ocean, in taking this view of the matter, would form a "hill of water" more than a hundred miles high! The idea is simply monstrous, and could only be entertained by scientists whose whole business is made up of materials of the same description: and it certainly requires no argument to deduce, from such "science" as this, a satisfactory proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics - no matter its size - as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one - no matter how large it be. But, as the Earth, which is "supposed" to be a large globe, bas no sides or bottom as the small globe has, the conclusion is irresistible that it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, an observer who should ascend above its surface would have to took downwards at the horizon (if it be possible to conceive of a horizon at all under such circumstances) even as astronomical diagrams indicate that angles - varying from ten to nearly fifty degrees below the "horizontal" line of sight! (It is just as absurd as it would be to be taught that when we look at a man full in the face we are looking down at his feet!) But, as no observer in the clouds, or upon any eminence on the earth, has ever had to do so, it follows that the diagrams spoken of are imaginary and false; that the theory which requires such things to prop it up is equally airy and untrue; and that we have a substantial proof that Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, it would certainly have to be as large as it is said to be - twenty-five thousand miles in circumference. Now, the thing which I have called a "proof" of the Earth's roundness, and which is presented to children at school, is, that if we stand on the seashore we may see the ships, as they approach us, absolutely "coming up," and that, as we are able to see the highest parts of these ships first, it is because the lower parts are "behind the earth's curve."Now since if this were the case - that is, if the lower parts of these ships were behind a "hill of water" - the size of the Earth, indicated by such a curve as this, would be so small that it would only be big enough to hold the people of a parish, if they could get all round it, instead of the nations of the world, it follows that the idea is preposterous; that the appearance is due to another and to some reasonable cause; and that, instead of being a proof of the globular form of the Earth, it is a proof that at Earth is not a globe.
It is often said that, if the Earth were flat, we could see all over it! This is the result of ignorance. If we stand on the level surface a plain or a prairie, and take notice, we shall find that the horizon is formed at about three miles all around us: that is, the ground appears to rise up until, at that distance, it seems on a level with the eye-line or line of sight. Consequently, objects no higher than we stand - say, six feet - and which are at that distance (three miles), have reached the "vanishing point," and are beyond the sphere of our unaided vision. This is the reason why the hull of a ship disappears (in going away from us) before the sails; and, instead of there being about it the faintest shadow of evidence of the, Earth's rotundity, it is a clear proof that Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, people - except those on the top - would, certainly, have to be "fastened" to its surface by some means or other, whether by the "attraction" of astronomers or by some other undiscovered and undiscoverable process! But, as we know that we simply walk on its surface without any other aid than that which is necessary for locomotion on a plane, it follows that we have, herein, a conclusive proof that Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, there certainly would be - if we could imagine the thing to be peopled all round - "antipodes:" "people who," says the dictionary, "living exactly on the opposite side of the globe to ourselves, have their feet opposite to ours: - people who are hanging heads downwards whilst we are standing heads up! But, since the theory allows us to travel to those parts of the Earth where the people are said to be heads downwards, and still to fancy ourselves to be heads upwards and our friends whom we have left behind - us to be heads downwards, it follows that the whole thing is a myth - a dream - a delusion - and a snare; and, instead of there being any evidence at all in this direction to substantiate the popular theory, it is a plain proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If we examine a true picture of the distant horizon, or the thing itself, we shall find that it coincides exactly with a perfectly straight and level line. Now, since there could be nothing of the kind on a globe, and we find it to be the case all over the Earth, it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If we take a journey down the Chesapeake Bay, by night, we shall see the "light" exhibited at Sharpe's Island for an hour before the steamer gets to it. We may take up a position on the deck so that the rail of the vessel's side will be in a line with the "light" and in the line of sight; and we shall find that in the whole journey the light will won't vary in the slightest degree in its apparent elevation. But, say that a distance of thirteen miles has been traversed, the astronomers' theory of "curvature" demands a difference (one way or the other!) in the apparent elevation of the light, of 112 feet 8 inches! Since, however, there is not a difference of 100 hair's breadths, we have a plain proof that the water of the Chesapeake Bay is not curved, which is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, there would, very likely, be (for nobody knows) six months day and six months night at the arctic and antarctic regions, as astronomers dare to assert there is: - for their theory demands it! But, as this fact - the six months day and six months night - is; nowhere found but in the arctic regions, it agrees perfectly with everything else that we know about the Earth as a plane, and, whilst it overthrows the "accepted theory," it furnishes a striking proof that Earth is not a globe.
When the Sun crosses the equator, in March, and begins to circle round the heavens in north latitude, the inhabitants of high northern latitudes see him slimming round their horizon and forming the break of their long day, in a horizontal course, not disappearing again for six months, as he rises higher and higher in the heavens whilst he makes his twenty-four hour circle until June, when he begins to descend and goes on until he disappears beyond the horizon in September. Thus, in the northern regions, they have that which the traveler calls the "midnight Sun," as he sees that luminary at a time when, in his more southern latitude, it is always midnight. If, for one-half the year, we may see for ourselves the Sun making horizontal circles round the heavens, it is presumptive evidence that, for the other half-year, he is doing the same, although beyond the boundary of our vision. This, being a proof that Earth is a plane, is, therefore, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
We have abundance of evidence that the Sun moves daily round and over the Earth in circles concentric with the northern region over which hangs the North Star; but, since the theory of the Earth being a globe is necessarily connected with the theory of its motion round the Sun in a yearly orbit, it falls to the ground when we bring forward the evidence of which we speak, and, in so doing, forms a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Suez canal, which joins the Red Sea with the Mediterranean, is about one hundred miles long; it forms a straight and level surface of water from one end to the other; and no allowance for any supposed "curvature" was made in its construction. It is a clear proof that the Earth is not a globe.
When astronomers assert that it is "necessary" to make "allowance for curvature" in canal construction, it is, of course, in order that, in their idea, a level cutting may be had, for the water. How flagrantly, then, do they contradict themselves when the curved surface of the Earth is a "true level!" What more can they want for a canal than a true level? Since they contradict themselves in such an elementary point as this, it is an evidence that the whole thing is a delusion, and we have a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
It is certain that the theory of the Earth's rotundity and that of its mobility must stand or fall together. A proof, then, of its immobility is virtually a proof of its non-rotundity. Now, that the Earth does not move, either on an axis, or in an orbit round the Sun or anything else, is easily proven. If the Earth went through space at the rate of eleven-hundred miles in a minute of time, as astronomers teach us, in a particular direction, there would unquestionably be a, difference in the result of firing off a projectile in that direction and in a direction the opposite of that one. But as, in fact, there is not the slightest difference in any such case, it is clear that any alleged motion of the Earth is disproved, and that, therefore, we have a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The circumstances which attend bodies which are caused merely to fall from a great height prove nothing as to the motion or stability of the Earth, since the object, if it be on a thing that is in motion, will participate in that motion; but, if an object be thrown, upwards from a body at rest, and, again, from a body in motion, the circumstances attending its descent will be very different. In the former case, it will fall, if thrown vertically upwards, at the place from whence it was projected; in the latter case, it will fall behind the moving body from which it is thrown will leave it in the rear. Now, fix a gun, muzzle upwards, accurately, in the ground; fire off a projectile; and it will fall by the gun. If the Earth traveled eleven hundred miles a minute, the projectile would fall behind the gun, in the opposite direction to that of the supposed motion. Since, then, this is NOT the case, in fact, the Earth's fancied motion is negatived and we have a proof that the Earth is not a, globe.
It is in evidence that, if a projectile be fired from a rapidly moving body in an opposite direction to that in which the body is going, it will fall short of the distance at which it would reach the ground if fired in the direction of motion. Now, since the Earth is said to move at the rate of nineteen miles in, a second of time, "from west to east," it would make all the difference imaginable if the gun were fired in an opposite direction. But, as, in practice, there is not the slightest difference, whichever way the thing may be done, we have a forcible overthrow of all fancies relative to the motion of the Earth, and a striking proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Astronomer Royal, of England, George B. Airy, in his celebrated work on Astronomy, the "Ipswich Lectures," says - "Jupiter is a large planet that turns on his axis, and why do not we turn?" Of course, the common sense reply is: Because the Earth is not a planet! When, therefore, an astronomer royal puts words into our mouth wherewith we may overthrow the supposed planetary nature of the Earth, we have not far to go to pick up a proof that Earth is not a globe.
It has been shown that an easterly or a westerly motion is necessarily a circular course round the central North, The only north point or centre of motion of the heavenly bodies known to man is that formed by the North Star, which is over the central portion of the outstretched Earth. When, therefore, astronomers tell us of a planet taking a westerly course round the Sun, the thing is as meaningless to them as it is to us, unless they make the Sun the northern centre of the motion, which they cannot do! Since, then, the motion which they tell us the planets have is, on the face of it, absurd; and since, as a matter of fact, the Earth can have no absurd motion at all, it is clear that it cannot be what astronomers say it is - a planet; and, if not a planet, it is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
In consequence of the fact being so plainly seen, by everyone who visits the seashore, that the line of the horizon is a perfectly straight line, it becomes impossible for astronomers, when they attempt to convey, pictorially, an idea of the Earth's "convexity," to do so with even a shadow of consistency: for they dare not represent this horizon as a curved line, so well known is it that it is a straight one! The greatest astronomer of the age, in page 15 of his "Lessons," gives an illustration of a ship sailing away, "as though she were rounding the top of a great hill of water;" and there - of a truth - is the straight and level line of the horizon clear along the top of the "hill" from one side of the picture to the other! Now, if this picture were true in all its parts - and it is outrageously false in several - it would show that Earth is a cylinder; for the "hill" shown is simply up one side of the level, horizontal line, and, we are led to suppose, down the other! Since, then, we have such high authority as Professor Richard A. Proctor that the Earth is a cylinder, it is, certainly, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
In Mr. Proctor's "Lessons in Astronomy," page 15, a ship is represented as sailing away from the observer, and it is given in five positions or distances away on its journey. Now, in its first position, its mast appears above the horizon, and, consequently, higher than the observer's line of vision. But, in its second and third positions, representing the ship as further and further away, it is drawn higher and still higher up above the line of the horizon! Now, it is utterly impossible for a ship to sail away from an observer, under the, conditions indicated, and to appear as given in the picture. Consequently, the picture is a misrepresentation, a fraud, and a disgrace. A ship starting to sail away from an observer with her masts above his line of sight would appear, indisputably, to go down and still lower down towards the horizon line, and could not possibly appear - to anyone with his vision undistorted - as going in any other direction, curved or straight. Since, then the design of the astronomer-artist is to show the Earth to be a globe, and the points in the picture, which would only prove the Earth to be cylindrical if true, are NOT true, it follows that the astronomer-artist fails to prove, pictorially, either that the Earth is a globe or a cylinder, and that we have, therefore, a reasonable proof that the Earth is not. a globe.
It is a well-known fact that clouds are continually seen moving in all manner of directions - yes, and frequently, in different directions at the same time - from west to east being as frequent a direction as any other. . Now, if the Earth were a globe, revolving through space from west to east at the rate of nineteen miles in a second, the clouds appearing to us to move towards the east would have to move quicker than nineteen miles in a second to be thus seen; whilst those which appear to be moving in the opposite direction would have no necessity to be moving at all, since the motion of the Earth would be more than sufficient to cause the appearance. But it only takes a little common sense to show us that it is the clouds that move just as they appear to do, and that, therefore, the Earth is motionless. We have, then a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
We read in the inspired book, or collection of books, called THE BIBLE, nothing at all about the Earth being a globe or a planet, from beginning to end, but hundreds of allusions there are in its pages which could not be made if the Earth were a globe, and which are, therefore, said by the astronomer to be absurd and contrary to what he knows to be true! This is the groundwork of modern infidelity. But, since every one of many, many allusions to the Earth and the heavenly bodies in the Scriptures can be demonstrated to be absolutely true to nature, and we read of the Earth being "stretched out" "above the waters," as "standing in the water and out of the water," of its being "established that it cannot be moved," we have a store from which to take all the proofs we need, but we will just put down one proof - the Scriptural proof - that Earth is not a globe.
A "Standing Order" exists in the English Houses of Parliament that in the cutting of canals, &c., the datum line employed shall be a "horizontal line, which shall be the same throughout the whole length of the work." Now if the Earth were a globe, this "Order" could not be carried out: but, it is carried out: therefore it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
It is a well-known and indisputable fact that there is a far greater accumulation of ice south of the equator than is to be found at an equal latitude north: and it is said that at Kerguelen, 50 degrees south, 18 kinds of plants exist, whilst, in Iceland, 15 degrees nearer the northern centre, there are 870 species; and, indeed, all the facts in the case show that the Sun's power is less intense at places in the southern region than it is in corresponding latitudes north. Now, on the Newtonian hypothesis, all this is inexplicable, whilst it is strictly in accordance with the facts brought to light by the carrying out of the principles involved in the Zetetic Philosophy of "Parallax." This is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Every year the Sun is as long south of the equator as he is north; and if the Earth were not "stretched out" as it is, in fact, but turned under, as the Newtonian theory suggests it would certainly get as intensive a share of the Sun's rays south as north; but the Southern region being, in consequence of the fact stated, - far more extensive than the region North, the Sun, having to complete his journey round every twenty-four hours, travels quicker as he goes further south, from September to December, and his influence has less time in which to accumulate at any given point. Since, then the facts could not be as they are if the Earth were a globe, it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The aeronaut is able to start in his balloon and remain for hours in the air, at an elevation of several miles, and come down again in the same county or parish from which he ascended. Now, unless the Earth drag the balloon along with it in its nineteen-miles-a-second motion, it must be left far behind, in space: but, since balloons have never been known thus to be left it is a proof that the Earth does not move, and, therefore, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Newtonian theory of astronomy requires that the Moon "borrow" her light from the Sun. Now, since the Sun's rays are hot and the Moon's light sends with it no heat at all, it follows that the Sun and Moon are "two great lights," as we somewhere read; that the Newtonian theory is a mistake; and that, therefore, we have a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Sun and Moon may often be seen high in the heavens at the same time - the Sun rising in the east and the Moon setting in the west - the Sun's light positively putting the Moon's light out by sheer contrast! If the Newtonian theory were correct, and the moon had her light from the Sun, she ought to be getting more of it when face to face with that luminary - if it were possible for a sphere to act as a reflector all over its face! But as the Moon's light pales before the rising Sun, it is a proof that the theory fails; and is gives us a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Newtonian hypothesis involves the necessity of. the Sun, in the case of a lunar eclipse, being on the opposite side of a globular earth, to cast its shadow on the Moon: but, since eclipses of the Moon have taken place with both the Sun and the Moon above the horizon, it follows that it cannot be the shadow of the Earth that eclipses the Moon; that the theory is a blunder; and that it is nothing less than a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Astronomers have never agreed amongst themselves about a rotating Moon revolving round a rotating and revolving Earth - this Earth, Moon, planets and their satellites all, at the same time dashing through space, around the rotating and revolving Sun, towards the constellation Hercules, at the rate of four millions of miles a day! And they never will: agreement is impossible! With the a Earth a plane and without motion, the whole thing is clear. And if a straw will show which way the wind blows, this may be taken as a pretty strong proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Mr. Proctor says.- "The Sun is so far off that even moving from one side of the Earth to the other does not cause him to be seen in a different direction - at least the difference is too small to be measured." Now, since we know that north of the equator, say 45 degrees, we see the Sun at mid-day to the south, and that at the same distance south of the equator we see the Sun at mid-day to the north, our very shadows on the round cry aloud against the delusion of the day and give us a proof that Earth is not a globe.
There is no problem more important to the astronomer than that of the Sun's distance from the Earth. Every change in the estimate changes everything. NOW, since modern astronomers, in their estimate of this distance, have gone all the way along the line of figures from three millions of miles to a hundred and four millions - today, the distance being something over 91,000,000; it matters not how much: for, not many years ago, Mr. Hind gave the distance, "accurately," as 95,370,000! - it follows that they don't know, and that it is foolish for anyone to expect that they ever will know, the Sun's distance! And since all this speculation and absurdity is caused by the primary assumption that Earth is a wandering, heavenly body, and is all swept away by a knowledge of the fact that Earth is a, plane, it is a clear proof that Earth is not a globe.
It is plain that a theory of measurements without a measuring-rod is like a ship without a rudder; that a measure that is not fixed, not likely to be fixed, and never has been fixed, forms no measuring-rod at all; and that as modern theoretical astronomy depends upon the Sun's distance from the Earth as its measuring-rod, and the distance is not known, it is a system of measurements without a measuring-rod - a ship without a rudder. Now, since it is not difficult to foresee the dashing of this thing upon the rock on which Zetetic astronomy is founded, it is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
It is commonly asserted that "the Earth must be a globe because people have sailed round it." Now, since this implies that we can sail round nothing unless it be a globe, and the fact is well known that we can sail round the Earth as a plane, the assertion is ridiculous, and we have another proof that Earth is not a globe.
It is a fact not so well known as it ought to be that when a ship, in sailing away from us, has reached the point at which her hull is lost to our unaided vision, a good telescope will restore to our view this portion of the vessel. Now, since telescopes are not made to enable people to see through a "hill of water," it is clear that the hulls of ships are not behind a hill of water when they can be seen through a telescope though lost to our unaided vision. This is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
Mr. Glaisher, in speaking of his balloon ascents, says: "The horizon always appears to be on a level with the car." Now, since we may search among the laws of optics in vain for any principle that would cause the surface of a globe to turn its face upwards instead of downwards, it is a clear proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Rev. D. Olmsted, in describing a diagram whish is supposed to represent the Earth as a globe, with a figure of a man sticking out at each side and one hanging head downwards, says "We should dwell on this point until it appears to us as truly up," In the direction given to these figures as it does with regard to a figure which he has placed on the top! Now, a system of philosophy which requires us to do something which is, really, the going out of our minds, by dwelling on an absurdity until we think it is a fact, Cannot be a system based on God's truth, which never requires anything of the kind. Since, then, the popular theoretical astronomy of the day requires this, it is evident that it is the wrong thing, and that this conclusion furnishes us with a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
It is often said that the predictions of eclipses prove astronomers to be right in their theories. But it is not seen that this proves too much. It is well known that Ptolemy predicted eclipses for six-hundred years, on the basis of a plane Earth, with as much accuracy as they are predicted by modern observers. If, then, the predictions prove the truth of the particular theories current at the time, they just as well prove one side of the question as the other, and enable us to lay claim to a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Seven-hundred miles is said to be the length of the great Canal, in China, Certain it is that, when this canal was formed, no "allowance" was made for "curvature." Yet the canal is a fact without it. This is a Chinese proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Mr. J.M. Lockyer says: Because the Sun seems to rise in the east and set in the west, the Earth really spins in the opposite direction; that is, from west to east," Now, this is no better than though we were to say - Because a man seems to be coming up the street, the street really goes down to the man! And since true science would contain no such nonsense as this, it follows that the so-called science of theoretical astronomy is not true, and, we have another proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Mr. Lockyer says: "The appearances connected with the rising and setting of the Sun and stars may be due either to our earth being at rest and the Sun and stars traveling round it, or the earth itself turning round, while the Sun and stars are at rest." Now, since true science does not allow of any such beggarly alternatives as these, it is plain that modern theoretical astronomy is not true science, and that its leading dogma is a fallacy. We have, then, a plain proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Mr. Lockyer, in describing his picture of the supposed proof of the Earth's rotundity by means of ships rounding a "hill of water," uses these words: - "Diagram showing how, when we suppose the earth is round, we explain how it is that ships at sea appear as they do." This is utterly unworthy of the name of Science! A science that begins by supposing, and ends by explaining the supposition, is, from beginning to end, a mere farce. The men who can do nothing better than amuse themselves in this way must be denounced as dreamers only, and their leading dogma a delusion. This is a proof that Earth, not a globe.
The astronomers' theory of a globular Earth necessitates the conclusion that, if we travel south of the equator, to see the North Star is an impossibility. Yet it is well known this star has been seen by navigators when they have been more than 20 degrees south of the equator. This fact, like hundreds of other facts, puts the theory to shame, and gives us a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Astronomers tell us that, in consequence of the Earth's "rotundity," the perpendicular walls of buildings are, nowhere, parallel, and that even the walls of houses on opposite sides of a street are not! But, since all observation fails to find any evidence of this want of parallelism which theory demands, the idea must be renounced as being absurd and in opposition to all well-known facts. This is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Astronomers have made experiments with pendulums which have been suspended from the interior of high buildings, and have exulted over the idea of being able to prove the rotation of the Earth on its "axis," by the varying direction taken by the pendulum over a prepared table underneath - asserting that the table moved round under the pendulum, instead of the pendulum shifting and oscillating in different directions over the table! But, since it has been found that, as often as not, the pendulum went round the wrong way for the "rotation" theory, chagrin has taken the place of exultation, and we have a proof of the failure of astronomers in their efforts to substantiate their theory, and, therefore, a proof that Earth is not a globe.
As to the supposed "motion of the whole Solar system in space," the Astronomer Royal of England once said: "The matter is left in a most delightful state of uncertainty, and I Shall be very glad if anyone can help us out of it." But, since the whole Newtonian scheme is, today, in a most deplorable state of uncertainty - for, whether the Moon goes round the Earth or the Earth round the Moon has, for years, been a matter of "raging" controversy it follows that, root and branch, the whole thing, is wrong; and, all hot from the furnace of philosophical phrensy, we find a glowing proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Considerably more than a million Earths would be required to make up a body like the Sun -the astronomers tell us: and more than 53,000 suns would be wanted to equal the cubic contents of the star Vega. And Vega is a "small star!" And there are countless millions of these stars! And it takes 30,000,000 years for the light of some of those stars to reach us at 12,000,000 miles in a minute! And, says Mr. Proctor, "I think a moderate estimate of the age of the Earth would be 500,000,000 years! "Its weight," says the same individual, "is 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,060 tons!" Now, since no human being is able to comprehend these things, the giving of them to the world is an insult - an outrage. And though they have all risen from the one assumption that Earth is a planet, instead of upholding the assumption, they drag it down by the weight of their own absurdity, and leave it lying in the dust - a proof that Earth is not a globe.
Mr. J. R. Young, in his work on Navigation, says. "Although the path of the ship is on a spherical surface, yet we may represent the length of the path by, a straight line on a plane surface." (And plane sailing is the rule.) Now, since it is altogether impossible to "represent" a curved line by a straight one, and absurd to make the attempt, it follows that a straight line represents a straight line and not a curved one. And, Since it is the surface of the waters of the ocean that is being considered by Mr. Young, it follows that this surface is a straight surface, and we are indebted to Mr. Young, a professor of navigation, for a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
"Oh, but if the Earth is a plane, we could go to the edge and tumble over!" is a very common assertion. This is a conclusion that is formed too hastily, and facts overthrow it. The Earth certainly is, what man by his observation finds it to be, and what Mr. Proctor himself says it "seems" to be. flat - and we cannot cross the icy barrier which surrounds it. This is a complete answer to the objection, and, of course, a proof that Earth is not a globe.
"Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough," is often said by those who don't know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles - a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis. This is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
The remark is common enough that we can see the circle of the Earth if we cross the ocean, and that this proves it to be round. Now, if we tie a donkey to a stake on a level common, and he eats the grass all around him, it is only a circular disc that he has to do with, not a spherical mass. Since, then, circular discs may be seen anywhere - as well from a balloon in the air as from the deck of a ship, or from the standpoint of the donkey, it is a proof that the surface of the Earth is a plane surface, and, therefore, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
It is supposed,"in the regular course of the Newtonian theory, that the Earth is, in June, about 190 millions of miles (190,000,000) away from its position in December. Now, since we can, (in middle north latitudes), see the North Star, on looking out of a window that faces it - and out of the very same corner of the very same pane of glass in the very same window - all the year round, it is proof enough for any man in his senses that we have made no motion at all. It is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Newtonian philosophers teach us that the Moon goes round: the Earth from west to east. But observation - man's most certain mode of gaining knowledge - shows us that the Moon never ceases to move in the opposite direction - from east to west. Since, then, we know that nothing can possibly move in two, opposite directions at the same time, it is a proof that the thing is a big blunder; and, in short, it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Astronomers tell us. that the Moon, goes round the Earth in about 28 days. Well, we may see her making her journey round every. day, if we make use of our eyes and these are about the best things we have to use. The Moon falls behind in her daily motion as compared with that of the Sun to the extent of one revolution in the time specified; but that is not making a revolution. Failing to go as fast as other bodies go in one direction does not constitute a going round in the opposite one - as the astronomers would have us believe! And, since all this absurdity has been rendered necessary for no other purpose than to help other absurdities along, it is clear that the astronomers are on the wrong track; and it needs no long train of reasoning to show that we have found a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
It has been shown that the meridians are, necessarily, straight lines; and that it is impossible to travel round the Earth in a north or south direction: from which it follows that, in the general acceptation of the word "degree" - the 360th - part of a circle - meridians have no degrees: for no one knows anything of a meridian circle or semicircle, to be thus divided. But astronomers speak of degrees of latitude in the same sense as those of longitude. This, then, is done by assuming that to be true which is not true. Zetetic philosophy does not involve this necessity. This proves that the basis of this philosophy is a sound one, and, in short, is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If we move away from an elevated object on or over a plain or a prairie, the height of the object will apparently diminish as we do so. Now, that which is sufficient to produce this effect on a small scale is sufficient on a large one; and traveling away from an elevated object, no matter how far will cause the appearance in question - the lowering of the object. Our modern theoretical astronomers, however, in the case of the apparent lowering of the North Star as we travel southward, assert that it is evidence that the Earth is globular! But as it is clear that an appearance which is fully, accounted for on the basis of known facts cannot be permitted to figure as evidence in favor of that which is only a supposition, it follows that we rightfully order it to stand down, and make way for a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
There are rivers which flow east, west, north, an south - that is, rivers are flowing in all directions over the Earth's surface, and at the same time. Now, if the Earth were a globe, some of these rivers would be flowing up-hill and others down, taking it for a fact that there really is an "up" and a "down" in nature, whatever form she assumes. But, since rivers do not flow up-hill, and the globular theory requires that they should, it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If the Earth were a globe, rolling and dashing through "space" at the rate of "a hundred miles in five seconds of time," the waters of seas and oceans could not, by any known law, be kept on its surface - the assertion that they could be retained under these circumstances being an outrage upon human understanding and credulity! But as the Earth - that is, the habitable world of dry land - is found to be "standing out of the wafer and in the water" of the "mighty deep," whose circumferential boundary is ice, we may throw the statement back into the teeth of those who make it and flaunt before their faces the flag of reason and common sense, inscribed with a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The theory of a rotating and revolving earth demands at theory to keep the water on its surface; but, as the. theory which is given for this purpose is as much opposed to all human experience as the one which it is intended to uphold, it is an illustration of the miserable makeshifts to which astronomers are compelled to resort, and affords, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
If we could - after our minds had once been opened to the light of Truth - conceive of a globular body on the surface of which human beings could exist, the power - no matter by what name it be called - that would hold them on would, then, necessarily, have to be so constraining and cogent that they could not live; the waters of the oceans would have to be as a solid mass, for motion would be impossible. But we not only exist, but live and move; and the water of the ocean skips and dances like a thing of life and beauty! This is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
It is well known that the law, regulating the apparent decrease in the size of objects as we leave them in the distance (or as they leave us) is very different with luminous bodies from what it is in the case of those which are non-luminous. Sail past the light of a small lamp in a row-boat on a dark night, and it will seem to be no smaller when a mile off than it was when close to it. Proctor says, in speaking of the Sun: "his apparent size does not change!" - far off or near. And then he forgets the fact! Mr. Proctor tells us, subsequently, that, if the traveler goes so far south that the North Star appears on the horizon, "the Sun should therefore look much larger" - if the Earth were a plane! Therefore, he argues, "the path followed cannot have been the straight course," - but a curved one. Now, since it is nothing but common scientific trickery to bring forward, as an objection to stand in the way of a plane Earth, the non-appearance of a thing which has never been known to appear at all, it follows that, unless that which appears to be trickery were an accident, it was the only course open to the objector - to trick. (Mr. Proctor, in a letter to the "English Mechanic" for Oct. 20,1871, boasts of having turned a recent convert to the Zetetic Philosophy by telling him that his arguments were all very good, but that "it seems as though [Mark the language!] the sun ought to look nine times larger in summer." And Mr. Proctor conclude's thus: "He saw, indeed, that, in his faith in "Parallax," he had "written himself down an ass.") Well, then: trickery or no trickery on the part of the objector, the objection is a counterfeit - a fraud - no valid objection at all; and it follows that the system which does not purge itself of these things is a rotten system, and the system which advocates, with Mr. Proctor at their head, a weapon to use - the Zetetic philosophy of "Parallax" - is destined to live! This is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
"Is water level, or is it not?" was a question once asked of an astronomer. "Practically, yes; theoretically, no," was the reply. Now, when theory does not harmonize with practice, the best thing to do is to drop the theory. (It is getting too late, now to say "So much the worse for the factsI") To drop the theory which supposes a curved surface to standing water is to acknowledge the facts which form the basis of Zetetic philosophy. And since this will have to be done sooner or later, - it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
"By actual observation," says Schoedler, in his " Book of Nature," we know that the other heavenly bodies are spherical, hence we unhesitatingly assert that the earth is so also." This is a fair sample of all astronomical reasoning. When a thing is classed amongst "other" things, the likeness between them must first be proven. It does not take a Schroedler to tell us that "heavenly bodies" are spherical, but " the greatest astronomer of the age" will not, now, dare to tell us that THE EARTH is - and attempt to prove it. Now, since no likeness has ever been proven to exist between the Earth and the heavenly bodies, the classification of the Earth with the heavenly bodies is premature - unscientific -false! This is a proof that Earth is not a globe.
"There is no inconsistency in supposing that the earth does move round the sun," says the Astronomer Royal of England. Certainly not, when theoretical astronomy is all supposition together! The inconsistency is in teaching the world that the thing supposed is a fact. Since, then, the "motion" of the Earth is supposition only - since, indeed, it is necessary to suppose it at all - it is plain that it is a fiction and not a fact; and, since "mobility" and "sphericity" stand or fall together, we have before us a proof that Earth is not a globe.
We have seen that astronomers - to give us a level surface on which to live - have cut off one-half of the "globe" in a certain picture in their books. [See page 6.] Now, astronomers having done this, one-half of the substance of their "spherical theory" is given up! Since, then, the theory must stand or fall in its entirety, it has really fallen when the half is gone. Nothing remains, then, but a plane Earth, which is, of course, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
In " Cornell's Geography" there is an "Illustrated proof of the Form of the Earth," A curved line on which is represented a ship in four positions, as she sails away from an observer, is an arc of 72 degrees, or one-fifth of the supposed circumference of the "globe" - about 5,000 miles. Ten, such ships as those which are given in the picture would reach the full length of the "arc," making 500 miles as the length of the ship, The man in the picture, who is watching the ship as she sails away, is about 200 miles high; and the tower, from which he takes an elevated view, at least 600 miles high. These are the proportions, then, of men, towers, arid ships which are necessary in order to see a ship, in her different positions, as she "rounds the curve" of the "great hill of water" over which she is supposed to be sailing: for, it must be remembered that this supposed "proof" depends upon lines and angles of vision which, if enlarged, would still retain their characteristics. Now, since ships are not built 500 miles long, with masts in proportion, and men are not quite 200 miles high, it is not what it is said to be - a proof of rotundity - but, either an ignorant farce or a cruel piece of deception. In short, it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
In "Cornell's Intermediate Geography," (1881) page 12, is an "Illustration of the Natural Divisions of Land and Water." This illustration is so nicely drawn that it affords, at once, a striking proof that Earth is a plane. It is true to nature, and bears the stamp of no astronomer-artist. It is a pictorial proof that Earth is not a globe.
If we refer to the diagram in "Cornell's Geography," page 4, and notice the ship in its position the most remote from the observer, we shall find that, though it is about 4,000 miles away, it is the same size as the ship that is nearest to him, distant about 700 miles! This a an illustration of the way in which astronomers ignore the laws of perspective. This course is necessary, or they would be compelled to lay bare the fallacy of their dogmas. In short, there is, in this matter, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
Mr. Hind, the English astronomer, says - "The simplicity, with which the seasons are explained by the revolution of the Earth in her orbit and the obliquity of the ecliptic, may certainly be adduced as a strong presumptive proof of the correctness" - of the Newtonian theory; "for on no other rational suppositions with respect to the relations of the Earth and Sun, can these and other as well-known phenomena, be accounted for." But, as true philosophy has no "suppositions" at all - and has nothing to do with, "suppositions" - and the phenomena spoken of are thoroughly explained by facts, the "presumptive proof" falls to the ground, covered with the ridicule it the dust of Mr. Hind's "rational suppositions" we are standing before us a proof that Earth is not a globe.
Mr Hind speaks of the astronomer watching a star as it is carried across the telescope by the diurnal revolution of the Earth." Now, this is nothing but downright absurdity. No motion of the Earth could possibly carry a star across a telescope or anything else. If the star is carried across anything at all, it is the star that moves, not the thing across which it is carried! Besides, the idea that the Earth, if it were a globe, could possibly move in an orbit of nearly 600,000,000 of miles with such exactitude that the cross-hairs in a telescope fixed on its surface would appear to glide gently over a star "millions of millions" of miles away is simply monstrous; whereas, with a FIXED telescope, it matters not the distance of the stars, though we suppose them to be as far off as the astronomer supposes them to be; for, as Mr. Proctor himself says, "the further away they are, the less they will seem to shift." Why, in the name of common sense, should observers have to fix their telescopes on solid stone bases so that they should not move a hair's-breadth, - if the Earth on which they fix them move at the rate of nineteen miles in a second? Indeed, to believe that Mr. Proctor's mass of "six thousand million million million tons" is "rolling, surging, flying, darting on through space for ever" with a velocity compared with which a shot from a cannon is a "very slow coach," with such unerring accuracy that a telescope fixed on granite pillars in an observatory will not enable a lynx-eyed astronomer to detect a variation in its onward motion of the thousandth part of a hair's-breadth is to conceive a miracle compared with which all the miracles on record put together would sink into utter insignificance. Captain R. J. Morrison, the late compiler of "Zadkeil's Almanac;" says: "We declare that this "motion" is all mere 'bosh'; and that the arguments which uphold it are, when examined with an eye that seeks for TRUTH only, mere nonsense, and childish absurdity. "Since, then, these absurd theories are of no use to men in their senses, and since there is no necessity for anything of the kind in Zetetic philosophy, it is a "strong presumptive proof" - as Mr. Hind would say that the Zetetic philosophy is true, and, therefore, a proof that Earth is not a globe..
Mr. Hind speaks of two great mathematicians differing only fifty-five yards in their estimate of the Earth's diameter. Why, Sir John Herschel, in his celebrated work, cuts off 480 miles of the same thing to get "round numbers!" This is like splitting a hair on one side of the bead and shaving all the hair off on the other! Oh, "science!" Can there be any truth in a science like this? All the exactitude in astronomy is in Practical astronomy - not Theoretical. Centuries of observation have made practical astronomy a noble art and science, based - as we have a thousand times proved it to be - on a fixed Earth; and we denounce this pretended exactitude on one side and the reckless indifference to figures on the other as the basest trash, and take from it a proof that the "science" which tolerates it is a false - instead of being an "exact" - science, and we have a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The Sun, as he travels round over the surface of the Earth, brings "noon" to all places on the successive meridians which he crosses: his journey being made in a westerly direction, places east of the Sun's position have had their noon, whilst places to the west of the Sun's position have still to get it. Therefore, if we travel easterly, we arrive at those parts of the Earth where "time" is more advanced, the watch in our pocket has to be "put on"or we may be said to "gain time." If, on the other hand, we travel westerly, we arrive at places where it is still "morning," the watch has to be "put back," and it may be said that we "lose time." But, if we travel easterly so as to cross the 180th meridian, there is a loss, there, of a day, which will neutralize the gain of a whole circumnavigation; and, if we travel westerly, and cross the same meridian, we experience the gain of a day, which will compensate for the loss during a complete circumnavigation in that direction. The fact of losing or gaining time in sailing round the world, then, instead of being evidence of the Earth's "rotundity," as it is imagined to be, is, in its practical exemplification, an everlasting proof that the Earth is not a globe.

Hal-9000
01-25-2019, 04:41 PM
Okay I got to number 2 (fitting...) before I stopped reading :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-25-2019, 04:52 PM
Because you can't refute scientific fact :rolleyes:

Hal-9000
01-25-2019, 04:55 PM
Yes, when an areonaut from 1885 says the Earth remains level at "the highest elevation he has attained"...

it hits me in the giggle place :tup:

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 06:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/EQ0gAOI.jpg

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 07:26 PM
https://i.imgur.com/mRSQZOv.jpg

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 07:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/IYHo8fV.jpg

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 07:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/64bRThA.jpg

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 07:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/oh6kvSv.jpg

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 07:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gbAKs1W.jpg

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 07:29 PM
8-[

https://i.imgur.com/dnxcbir.jpg

Pony
01-27-2019, 08:36 PM
One of the above pictures is faked.

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 08:43 PM
I was in my wallpapers folder and got carried away :oops:

Pony
01-27-2019, 08:49 PM
Did you photoshop the top pic or find it that way?

Hal-9000
01-27-2019, 09:27 PM
Did you photoshop the top pic or find it that way?

Top pic? Do you mean the space station over ROUND Earth?

All pics are found that way.

Griffin
01-27-2019, 11:26 PM
Yes, when an areonaut from 1885 says the Earth remains level at "the highest elevation he has attained"...

it hits me in the giggle place :tup:

Actually that is what people who flew hot air balloons were called back in the day.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-27-2019, 11:44 PM
Top pic? Do you mean the space station over ROUND Earth?

All pics are found that way.Because that's how NASA releases them after they've been photoshopped :roll:

Hal-9000
01-28-2019, 04:41 PM
:hand:

All of them show Earth's curvature. In different forms. Yes. 8-[

Teh One Who Knocks
01-28-2019, 04:44 PM
:hand:

All of them show Earth's curvature. In different forms. Yes. 8-[

Curvature like your head :lol:

Hal-9000
01-28-2019, 04:45 PM
:lol: when in Rome

Teh One Who Knocks
01-28-2019, 04:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYPkJU7iTQ

Hal-9000
01-28-2019, 04:52 PM
some good memories there

Hal-9000
01-30-2019, 03:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0

Teh One Who Knocks
02-12-2019, 02:10 PM
https://i.imgur.com/iu8M0Ac.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
03-07-2019, 02:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDkWt4Rl-ns

Hal-9000
03-07-2019, 03:15 PM
Thanks Lance, that trailer was hilarious :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-07-2019, 03:17 PM
I kinda want to watch it :lol:

Goofy
03-07-2019, 03:23 PM
I kinda want to watch it :lol:
Me too :lol:

Hal-9000
03-07-2019, 03:37 PM
:lol: yep

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 04:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xorumTo.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2019, 04:52 PM
:facepalm:

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 05:36 PM
:dance: :meatspin: :dance:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2019, 05:36 PM
Always mocking what you can't comprehend :|

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 05:38 PM
Is comprehend a Spanish word? :-s

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2019, 05:41 PM
Is comprehend a Spanish word? :-s

https://i.imgur.com/TfivV6w.png

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 05:45 PM
Thanks. I didn't ....understand that!













https://i.imgur.com/kesbuHz.jpg

fricnjay
03-26-2019, 05:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xorumTo.jpg

:lmao:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2019, 05:49 PM
Thanks. I didn't ....understand that!













https://i.imgur.com/kesbuHz.jpg

:beatdown:

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 05:57 PM
:dance:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2019, 05:59 PM
Globeheads :roll:

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 06:02 PM
Globeheads :roll:

from the Urban Dictionary :lol:


Flat earther:

A extremely derogatory term for someone who is very stupid.

Bill: Joe the earth is flat, and I chose to become a flat earther.
Joe: Nasa and SpaceX are streaming it from satellites right now on Youtube and it's round.
Bill: (without evidence) No those are computer generated images.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2019, 06:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/yB2nd82.png

Hal-9000
03-26-2019, 06:16 PM
"...without doing the research to check it out."

That's rich coming from the flat earth people :lol:


Here's some research. Why not travel up 50000 feet, look around and tell us what you see? :rolleyes:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-29-2019, 10:55 AM
By Tilly Gambarotto - The Mirror


https://i.imgur.com/MkJgOiU.jpg

A conspiracy theorist from east London has outlined his far-fetched view that the earth is actually flat.

India-born Safvan, 23, is a bilingual science graduate who holds some rather outlandish views about our planet.

He is part of growing online community that rejects conventional wisdom that the earth is round - much to the bemusement of everyone else.

The masters student says he first realised that the world was flat when he was 18 and studying the properties of water.

"Water couldn’t curl into a ball like that," he told MyLondon . "Even with gravity it's impossible."

"I have done my research for a very long time," he said.

Safvan explains that if the size of the earth is what scientists say it is, then there must be a certain amount of curvature in the globe per mile.

https://i.imgur.com/Zf0WGa4.jpg

With that amount of curvature, it should be impossible to see the Chicago skyline from the opposite side of Lake Michigan.

"That's a really famous example in the flat earth conspiracy," Safvan explained.

Like many flat earth theorists he uses YouTube to further his knowledge on the subject.

"YouTube is the main thing. A lot of people are turning to flat earth because of YouTube."

Safvan believes that Antarctica is not at the bottom of the world and is actually the whole way round.

That means at the edges of the world, the seawater is held in by a giant wall of ice.

"Why do you think only researchers are allowed to go there?"

He appeared stumped when asked why no flat-earther has ever just taken a boat to go and see it for themselves.

https://i.imgur.com/EcUGn5q.jpg

According to him, the Illuminati - a mythical secret society of global financiers and politicians - is responsible for keeping people in the dark.

"John F Kennedy - he used to talk about the Illuminati. And Michael Jackson."

"In JFK's last speech he spoke about the 'people who control the world'."

He believes NASA is an multi-billion dollar hoax designed to convince people that the earth is spherical, and in addition, he also thinks that the moon landings were faked.

He said: "They can send Neil Armstrong in space in 1969. Why don't they send people to the moon in 2019? Why don’t they send astronauts towards the moon right now?

"The photos from space are CGI."

Safvan claims that the video of the moon landing was removed from NASA's website when people started to catch on.

A common aspect of flat earthism is that subscribers are often religious and Safvan is no different.

He believes God created humans and the theory of evolution was invented to encourage atheism.

https://i.imgur.com/Vtpu68f.jpg

"We were not monkeys," he said, "If we were not made by God, then why are we the only animals on earth who can reason?"

The fact we are taught geography with a globe from a young age shouldn't stop us from realising the truth, Safvan says.

People think i t’s crazy you know, most other people mock us," he said.

"They make us seem like fools or stupid. I don't care about such things.

"Normally after two or three conversations they start to understand."

"There’s a lot of people getting into flat earth in London," he adds.

Perhaps one day the history books praise the genius of flat earthers who realised the truth.

Unfortunately for Savfan, today is not that day.

"I think I’m lucky to have realised," he says.

Pony
03-29-2019, 11:28 AM
Well, having a college degree makes you smarter than everyone else..... it must be true. We should only be learning from people like this and AOC.

Hal-9000
03-29-2019, 02:44 PM
I'm going to start with the water and type slowly.. :lol:


"Water couldn’t curl into a ball like that," he told MyLondon . "Even with gravity it's impossible."

"That means at the edges of the world, the seawater is held in by a giant wall of ice."

Teh One Who Knocks
03-29-2019, 02:53 PM
I'm going to start with the water and type slowly.. :lol:


"Water couldn’t curl into a ball like that," he told MyLondon . "Even with gravity it's impossible."

"That means at the edges of the world, the seawater is held in by a giant wall of ice."

Go ahead, make a ball of water there Copernicus, I'll wait [-(

Hal-9000
03-29-2019, 03:01 PM
:lol:

I can sum up the problem with the flat earther conjecture in two sentences the guy wrote above:

"That means at the edges of the world, the seawater is held in by a giant wall of ice."

"Why do you think only researchers are allowed to go there?"

They postulate part of their theory and then use an unsubstantiated piece of logic in an attempt to support it. If only researchers can visit the edge, how does he know this bit of information? He's never been there.

pssssst, boats and planes travel all over the world :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-01-2019, 12:01 PM
Whether the Earth is sphere, or flat and round, circumnavigation is not an issue here. Think of a needle going around on a record player.

https://i.imgur.com/qtJoCoZl.png

“Circular sailing no more proves the world to be a globe than an equilateral triangle. The sailing round the world would, of course, take very much longer, but, in principle, it is exactly the same as that of the yachtsman circumnavigating the Isle of Wight. Let me give a simple illustration. A boy wants to sail his iron toy boat by a magnet, so he gets a basin, in the middle of which he places a soap-dish, or anything else which he may think suitable to represent the Earth, and then fills the basin with water to display the sea. He puts in his boat and draws it by the magnet round his little world. But the boat never passes over the rim to sail under the basin, as if that were globular, instead of being simply circular. So is it in this world of ours; from the extreme South we can sail from East to West or from West to East around it, but we cannot sail from North to South or from South to North, for we cannot break through intervening lands, nor pass the impenetrable ramparts of ice and rocks which enclose the great Southern Circumference.” -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (68)

https://i.imgur.com/Gr2KkE8l.png

“A very good illustration of the circum-navigation of a plane will be seen by taking a round table, and fixing a pin in the centre to represent the magnetic pole. To this central pin attach a string drawn out to any distance towards the edge of the table. This string may represent the meridian of Greenwich, extending due north and south. If now a pencil or other object is placed across, or at right angles to the string, at any distance between the centre and the circumference of the table, it will represent a vessel standing due east and west. Now move the pencil and the string together in either direction, and it will be seen that by keeping the vessel (or pencil), square to the string it must of necessity describe a circle round the magnetic centre and return to the starting point in the opposite direction to that in which it first sailed.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (226)

Hal-9000
04-01-2019, 03:40 PM
"Think of a needle going around on a record player."

No, no I won't think of it that way :hand:

You're all lunatics.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-02-2019, 12:06 PM
Just because you can't wrap your head around scientific fact :facepalm:

Muddy
04-02-2019, 01:19 PM
This is truly the ultimate ridiculousness..

Hal-9000
04-02-2019, 01:58 PM
Just because you can't wrap your head around scientific fact :facepalm:

:rolleyes: lots of things are round

Teh One Who Knocks
04-03-2019, 12:43 PM
https://i.imgur.com/vI1caYS.jpg

Hal-9000
04-03-2019, 01:50 PM
flat earthers - *people* with *brains*

Teh One Who Knocks
04-18-2019, 12:56 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Vo6UVBNl.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2019, 02:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/bBY1iwe.jpg

Hal-9000
04-24-2019, 02:41 PM
:lol:

Can't argue with that logic ...

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2019, 03:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/EGKqUg4.jpg

Hal-9000
04-24-2019, 03:16 PM
:facepalm: Does the writer of that garbage even realize that comets and the sun are composed of different things? Drastically different things :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2019, 05:31 PM
https://i.imgur.com/DmP1k10.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2019, 05:31 PM
https://i.imgur.com/JH3I7jw.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2019, 05:32 PM
https://i.imgur.com/4pX9b54.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2019, 06:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xCu3RWr.png

Hal-9000
04-25-2019, 03:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/DmP1k10.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/JH3I7jw.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/4pX9b54.jpg

:rofl:

Hal-9000
04-25-2019, 03:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xCu3RWr.png

He's saying they're 16 miles from each other in the background left to right?

Not from the place where the photo was taken?

Damn, he almost used a brain cell there. So close :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-25-2019, 03:48 PM
:rofl:

Science has you beat and you just laugh :facepalm:

Hal-9000
04-25-2019, 04:22 PM
Science has you beat and you just laugh :facepalm:


https://i.imgur.com/4pX9b54.jpg

Only the good sciences :lol: :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-25-2019, 04:47 PM
Only the good sciences :lol: :lol:

It's basic geometry :facepalm:

Hal-9000
04-25-2019, 04:49 PM
It's basic geometry :facepalm:


https://i.imgur.com/4pX9b54.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tko3cFB.gif

Teh One Who Knocks
04-25-2019, 05:01 PM
Just like with the 100% confirmed UFO and alien sightings, mock what you can't understand :facepalm:

Hal-9000
04-26-2019, 02:21 PM
I understand the real round Earth just fine :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2019, 02:26 PM
https://i.imgur.com/QA7JNAll.jpg

Hal-9000
04-26-2019, 02:29 PM
So 100 miles equals 6666 feet of curvature. :-k


Nice URL - truth is our religion :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2019, 02:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/UxDOwaK.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2019, 03:12 PM
https://i.imgur.com/yYxnGYb.jpg

Hal-9000
04-26-2019, 03:22 PM
Doesn't that affect your PC's intelligence...downloading those types of pictures?


:lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2019, 03:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/JlAStX2.jpg

Hal-9000
04-26-2019, 03:47 PM
-10 IQ points for your CPU right there ^^ :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2019, 03:54 PM
https://i.imgur.com/j2Rp51V.jpg

Hal-9000
04-26-2019, 03:56 PM
Some of that stuff hurts to read :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2019, 04:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/SuLfaAi.png

Hal-9000
04-26-2019, 04:15 PM
:rofl:

Hal-9000
04-27-2019, 05:25 PM
https://i.imgur.com/m2FssVp.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 04:33 PM
https://i.imgur.com/GuhNIea.jpg

Hal-9000
05-14-2019, 04:35 PM
:facepalm:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 04:49 PM
Checkmate :dance:

Hal-9000
05-14-2019, 04:56 PM
Checkmate :dance:

No Mr Science, it isn't.

Is that bridge running in a straight line from point A to B? And even if it was, they don't need to adjust for any curvature building a bridge because the support pylons will always be the same size and sit on the ground. It's not like the curvature would make 100 foot bridge supports dip down under the ocean at one point, it doesn't work that way :lol:

The more you know...

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 05:14 PM
I didn't realize you were an engineer now :hand:

Hal-9000
05-14-2019, 05:20 PM
I didn't realize you were an engineer now :hand:

pssst, if the ground under the water begins to go down, the water will also drop the appropriate amount. It doesn't stay up on its own :lol:

and besides... curvature of earth measurements are available on google. So many feet in distance from the vantage point, so many inches the horizon drops :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 05:22 PM
Whatever you say there Dr. Einstein [-(

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 05:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/2z3dLmol.jpg

Hal-9000
05-14-2019, 05:29 PM
Flat Heads :rolleyes:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 05:32 PM
Flat Heads :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/cMvZLGMl.jpg

Hal-9000
05-14-2019, 05:37 PM
:-k

It's true because I've seen it in an airplane at 40000 feet. (approx 5 miles)

Also every picture taken by satellites and the cool vid of the people who did the high altitude parachuting I posted earlier in this thread.

And oh yeah...because science :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-14-2019, 06:43 PM
https://i.imgur.com/w4r7fv7.png

Hal-9000
05-15-2019, 02:36 PM
:lol: yeah the Lego guy pretty much validates it

I also have never seen oxygen in the air but I'm told it's there.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-09-2019, 05:52 PM
https://i.imgur.com/wbIo2w4.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 03:46 PM
:rofl:

You can see a hot-spot proving it is very close

I love their methods of proof :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 03:47 PM
Science doesn't lie :facepalm:

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 03:52 PM
Did they use a tape measure? :-s

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 03:55 PM
Mock if you can't understand :shakehead:

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 03:58 PM
Not hearing much about the science...speak up eh?

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 04:01 PM
That whole graphic was full of science :facepalm:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 04:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/0KF0vEg.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 04:03 PM
:lol:

What part of flying at 40000 feet do those brainiacs above not get?

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 04:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/fxEB8Dv.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 04:08 PM
:lol: That one reminds me of a recent Imgur pic taken from the ISS showing the dividing line of day and night on Earth.


Some commenters were thinking it was a permanent border and said it would be cool to have a house on the line and keep stepping back and forth from day to night :lmao:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 04:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Y1Yd1uj.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 04:30 PM
https://i.imgur.com/T73kAZYl.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 04:48 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PULaq6I.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 04:59 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Y1Yd1uj.jpg

You have to be a little higher to see the curvature of the Earth, Galileo.


https://i.imgur.com/T73kAZYl.jpg

Telescopes and math :thumbsup:


https://i.imgur.com/PULaq6I.jpg

That one doesn't even justify a response.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 05:07 PM
You can't respond because it can't be refuted :facepalm:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 05:20 PM
https://i.imgur.com/DkEc3AF.png

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 05:28 PM
You can't respond because it can't be refuted :facepalm:

Sometimes I can't respond because I'm laughing too hard to type :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 05:35 PM
https://i.imgur.com/p8V9sHR.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 05:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/DkEc3AF.png

That may be slightly altered...:-k

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 05:38 PM
https://i.imgur.com/p8V9sHR.jpg

Could be an illusion as the sun casts light on the moon in order for us to see it.


https://www.universetoday.com/75848/why-can-we-see-the-moon-during-the-day/

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 05:44 PM
https://i.imgur.com/HaiQTCd.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 05:47 PM
https://i.imgur.com/HaiQTCd.jpg

That...is a good question :thumbsup:

Could it be the craters formed before the moon became trapped in Earth's orbit?

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 05:49 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ApH2nym.jpg

Hal-9000
07-10-2019, 06:06 PM
Sounds like parameters for an experiment with a fixed surface, not real life :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 06:13 PM
:blind:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 07:51 PM
https://i.imgur.com/g2ueajU.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2019, 07:53 PM
https://i.imgur.com/egQvmTJ.jpg

DemonGeminiX
07-10-2019, 07:57 PM
Some people have no rational grasp of the concept of gravity.

Hal-9000
07-11-2019, 03:25 PM
https://i.imgur.com/g2ueajU.jpg

:lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-11-2019, 03:37 PM
Argue that....you can't, BOOM, physics!

Hal-9000
07-11-2019, 03:54 PM
BOOM, physics?

I bet Oppenheimer used that very same expression :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 01:25 PM
https://i.imgur.com/y69Vm1F.png

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 01:49 PM
https://i.imgur.com/uNJILTt.jpg

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 03:29 PM
https://i.imgur.com/uNJILTt.jpg

What's the commonality in all of those pictures?


Keep looking, it will come to you in a moment :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 03:33 PM
What's the commonality in all of those pictures?


Keep looking, it will come to you in a moment :tup:

CGI? :-s

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 03:40 PM
CGI? :-s

:slap:

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 03:41 PM
Riddle me this, Flatman..


How come every celestial object in space that we can clearly see through telescopes is round (planets/moons), yet Earth is the only object that's flat?

I wonder how that could happen? :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 03:41 PM
I'm right [-(

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 03:42 PM
I'm right [-(

Voting preferences do not apply here :hand:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 04:15 PM
https://i.imgur.com/h1mncdMl.jpg

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 04:31 PM
It's their logic that kills me. The initial statement is bad enough but then they try to support it with the strangest types of proof :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 04:36 PM
https://i.imgur.com/MTOSyMD.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 04:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/pnhe9jT.png

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 04:41 PM
It's their logic that kills me. The initial statement is bad enough but then they try to support it with the strangest types of proof :lol:


https://i.imgur.com/pnhe9jT.png

case in point :rofl:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 05:37 PM
It's because you can't argue the facts :facepalm:

Hal-9000
07-12-2019, 05:48 PM
It's because you can't argue the facts :facepalm:


Riddle me this, Flatman..


How come every celestial object in space that we can clearly see through telescopes is round (planets/moons), yet Earth is the only object that's flat?

I wonder how that could happen? :-k

still waiting :rolleyes:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-12-2019, 06:16 PM
still waiting :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/UJKHYM7.png

Pony
07-14-2019, 05:51 PM
Riddle me this, Flatman..


How come every celestial object in space that we can clearly see through telescopes is round (planets/moons), yet Earth is the only object that's flat?

I wonder how that could happen? :-k

Skip to 2:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06bvdFK3vVU

Hal-9000
07-15-2019, 03:33 PM
https://i.imgur.com/UJKHYM7.png

The second sentence illustrates the entire problem. One bad fact compounded onto the back of other bad facts. The writer of that should be ashamed.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-15-2019, 03:41 PM
It's science :hand:

Hal-9000
07-15-2019, 03:42 PM
It's complete bullshit :hand:


You're being too truthful :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-15-2019, 03:43 PM
:suspect:

Hal-9000
07-15-2019, 03:45 PM
:wank: :suspect: :lwank:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-15-2019, 03:46 PM
It's okay, remain part of the sheeple :rolleyes:

Hal-9000
07-15-2019, 03:48 PM
:tup:

https://i.imgur.com/2TQwlwn.gif

Teh One Who Knocks
07-15-2019, 03:51 PM
Globeheads :roll:

Hal-9000
07-15-2019, 03:57 PM
Flatman - the superhero we don't want or need :rolleyes:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-16-2019, 12:22 PM
Some day you'll take the blinders off :facepalm:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-17-2019, 01:15 PM
https://i.imgur.com/92VDAP7.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-17-2019, 01:18 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ctCEMha.jpg

Muddy
07-17-2019, 01:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ctCEMha.jpg

Can you explain that to me like I'm 5..?

Hal-9000
07-17-2019, 04:01 PM
Can you explain that to me like I'm 5..?

Suits equalize pressure and steel drums don't get no suits :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-17-2019, 04:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/bp0xzcR.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-19-2019, 01:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/vL2WETV.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-19-2019, 02:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/41oV61K.jpg

Hal-9000
07-19-2019, 03:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/vL2WETV.jpg

I like the creativity :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
07-19-2019, 03:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/41oV61K.jpg

No comment :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-23-2019, 02:26 PM
https://i.imgur.com/s8NxGpD.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
07-23-2019, 02:30 PM
https://i.imgur.com/KGkIBAt.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
08-12-2019, 02:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ryE9a6e.jpg

Hal-9000
08-12-2019, 03:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkViBQ9EvY

Teh One Who Knocks
06-08-2022, 02:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Gj0r7f0.jpeg

lost in melb.
06-08-2022, 04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkViBQ9EvY

Miss you :sad2:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-10-2022, 09:44 PM
https://i.imgur.com/7xc8w3nl.jpeg

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2023, 07:48 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xVEr4lD.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
04-01-2023, 10:32 PM
https://i.imgur.com/N32Bubxl.jpeg

FBD
11-14-2023, 01:52 PM
I like to remind people that flat earth theory is not actually a theory, same as AGW "theory" - its not a theory at all, a theory denotes a well developed and nearly complete set of axioms that are pretty good at predicting reality. What flat earth & agw are, are conjectures. This is well evidenced by any time you see a flattard perform an experiment, its either done wrong or they prove the opposite of what they are trying to prove. They dont have a meme scientific establishment behind them to produce fake shoddy models that would appear to say things that simply arent so. Easily evidenced by the terrible prediction record.

I had to laugh, my younger brother contends that there are no actual flat earth believers in real life, they are all just trolls that enjoy trolling people who flip out at others for believing such preposterous ridiculous shit. But I said no, I've met a couple in real life, they truly believe these things every bit as much as some people believe a high co2 concentration will cause a runaway heating effect, there are real true retards out there that have no capacity to determine real or fake or know to dismiss entirely when they see the scientific method violated with aplomb. I was like cmon man, do you think everybody knew batboy was fake, nobody thought bat boy was real? :lol:

Hal-9000
04-19-2024, 01:58 AM
... they truly believe these things every bit as much as some people believe a high co2 concentration will cause a runaway heating effect...

What the fuck is wrong with y'alls head? Wait, don't answer there's a 1000 character post limit :lol:

This was a fun thread (until the recent post) and typifies the relationship I enjoyed the most with Lance. You never flinched and have no idea how much your responses made me laugh on this side of the internet :thumbsup: