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Teh One Who Knocks
01-11-2019, 11:43 AM
By Sean O’Shea, Consumer Reporter | Global News


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It may sound unbelievable, but Canada’s revised laws on impaired driving could see police demand breath samples from people in bars, restaurants, or even at home. And if you say no, you could be arrested, face a criminal record, ordered to pay a fine, and subjected to a driving suspension.

You could be in violation of the impaired driving laws even two hours after you’ve been driving. Now, the onus is on drivers to prove they weren’t impaired when they were on the road.

“It’s ridiculous, it’s basically criminalizing you having a drink at your kitchen table,” Paul Doroshenko, a Vancouver criminal defence lawyer who specializes in impaired driving cases, told Global News.

“If you start to drink after you get home, the police show up at your door, they can arrest you, detain you, take you back to the (police station) and you can be convicted because your blood alcohol concentration was over 80 milligrams (per 100 millilitres of blood) in the two hours after you drove.”

Changes to Section 253 of the Criminal Code of Canada took effect in December giving police greater powers to seek breath samples from drivers who might be driving while impaired.

Under the new law, police officers no longer need to have a “reasonable suspicion” the driver had consumed alcohol. Now, an officer can demand a sample from drivers for any reason at any time.

While many Canadians have heard about that part of the new legislation, lawyers said the two-hour provision has gone unreported.

“The public has completely missed this one,” said Joseph Neuberger, a Toronto criminal defence lawyer.

He described a scenario in which someone has gone home and watches a hockey game, enjoys a few beers, and gets a knock on the door from police, who received a tip about someone in the house who was driving a vehicle suspiciously.

“The person answers the door and they say, ‘Sir, we’ve had a complaint about your driving, we need you to provide a sample,” said Neuberger, noting if the person failed to provide the sample it would likely lead to arrest.

“It’s a serious erosion of civil liberties,” said Toronto criminal defence lawyer Michael Engel, whose practice focuses almost exclusively on impaired driving cases.

Engel said someone could be unjustly prosecuted. If a disgruntled business associate or spouse called police with a complaint and an officer went to investigate at the persons’ home or place of business, police could demand a breath sample.

“Husbands or wives in the course of separations would drop the dime on their partner,” Engel said, describing the potential for the law’s abuse by those calling police out of spite, for example.


“It casts the net too wide. It’s going to potentially criminalize innocent behavior.”

In an instance where someone was drinking in a public place, Doroshenko said it would be hard for someone to prove they weren’t impaired when they were driving earlier.

“If [the police] come and find you at the restaurant they can take you out of the restaurant despite the fact you’ve been drinking at the restaurant, maybe you weren’t going to drive away,” he said, arguing the rules are excessive.

“It is profoundly stupid, so most people assume it can’t be. But that’s what the law is now, you will see it happen — I guarantee it.”

The federal government brought in the revised law in an effort to reduce fatalities on roads.

“Impaired driving is the leading criminal cause of death and injury in Canada,” said Minister of Justice and Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould in December.

“I believe these reforms will result in fewer road deaths and fewer Canadian families devastated by the effects of an impaired driver. This is one of the most significant changes to the laws related to impaired driving in more than 40 years and is another way that we are modernizing the criminal justice system.”

While criminal lawyers predict the new law will be challenged, likely through appeal courts and even to the Supreme Court of Canada, they expect that process will take several years. In the meantime, they say drivers are vulnerable to unfair arrests and prosecution.

“We’re in a brave new world now,” said Engel.

DemonGeminiX
01-11-2019, 11:49 AM
Y'all better wake up and start fighting this shit. I'm sorry, but y'all are gonna end up Venezuela 2.0.

Hal-9000
01-11-2019, 08:27 PM
The way we heard it is that the cops no longer need probable cause to ask you to blow. If you refuse to blow (twice) you are automatically guilty.


As the article stated we have never been told about the two hour proviso, whatever the hell that is.

I suspect defense lawyers are going to eat up that part of the new rule as it seems flimsy at best.


My old driving instructor who was an ex-cop, said police have to witness you driving the vehicle and give you a breath test within a set time from that moment. They can't predict you may drive, or deduce you may have been driving.

His example - You've been drinking and get into an accident. You turn off the car, throw the keys and open a bottle of booze and start guzzling. Cop on the scene witnesses you drinking alcohol and you say the accident upset you so much that you needed a drink. In that case the cops can't prove the exact moment you went over the legal limit and a good defense lawyer would argue you got drunk after the incident occurred. It becomes a DUI rather than loss of license.

Extreme example but there's truth in it. This new part of the 'law' is going to get torn apart due to the speculative nature of the charge.