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Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 12:12 PM
TheNewspaper.com


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Drivers who take a highway exit to avoid having to pay a toll on Virginia's Interstate 81 could end up paying far more after a ticket arrives in the mail. The state Senate Transportation Committee will consider a proposal later today that would authorize tolling on I-81. Introduced by state Senator Mark D. Obenshain (R-Harrisonburg), the measure would also allow private companies to operate a new type of automated photo enforcement camera that issues tickets based on a motorist's choice of route. Those attempting to save a bit of money by taking a side street could be subjected to a fine set by the Commonwealth Transportation Board.

"The operator of a vehicle that the board determines is through traffic or that is subject to a through travel restriction... shall be considered to be in violation... if the operator (i) exits the interstate highway to travel on a parallel route in proximity and prior to a toll collection point and (ii) re-enters the interstate highway after the same toll collection point that demonstrates the routes traveled were selected to avoid paying the toll at such toll collection point, determined by the board," Senate Bill 1716 states.

Earlier this month, Governor Ralph Northam (D) joined Republican leaders in announcing their support for converting all 325 miles of I-81 into a toll road to generate $150 million in annual profit for the state. Obenshain's implementation legislation includes a number of provisions designed to place the greatest toll burden on out-of-state vehicles. His legislation sets the cost for driving the length of I-81 at no more than $36 for cars in the first year, with limits on how much the tolls are raised on a regular basis. The plan would allow local commuters to register so that they can pass one toll gantry north and one south each day without paying. Residents who need to drive farther on a regular basis can pay a "reasonable" fee for an unlimited annual pass allowing toll-free driving on I-81.

The American Trucking Associations (ATA) is threatening to sue if the plan is approved by the General Assembly. Truckers carry $312 billion worth of goods along I-81 each year, representing 42 percent of the state's big rig traffic. The group insists the plan is unconstitutional.

"The car-only annual pass proposal is unlawful under the US Constitution because it represents an impermissible burden on interstate commerce," ATA general counsel Jennifer Hall wrote in a letter to Northam. "The proposed toll scheme discriminates against interstate commerce by favoring noncommercial vehicles over commercial vehicles -- ie, the very vehicles by which interstate commerce moves."

In their report to the legislature on the plan, state transportation officials calculated that raising the gas tax in the I-81 corridor to the rate already paid by motorists in Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads would generate the same amount of revenue as tolling. Opponents pointed out that a significant amount of money paid by motorists under the tolling plan would be taken by overhead costs.

"We need every dollar generated to go toward improving the interstate, not spending it on collecting, administering and enforcing tolls," Alliance for Toll-Free Interstates spokesman Stephanie Kane said. "SB 1716 simply props up a fiscally irresponsible government bureaucracy to waste taxpayers' money on toll administration, enforcement and collection."

Pony
01-24-2019, 12:26 PM
That sucks, I drive about 100 miles of 81 a couple times a year.

DemonGeminiX
01-24-2019, 12:27 PM
They want your money, Pony.

Pony
01-24-2019, 12:41 PM
It does seem like an overly complicated, wasteful program.

DemonGeminiX
01-24-2019, 12:47 PM
I spent the first years of my childhood in Philadelphia and from my 4th to my 16th year in a New Jersey suburb of Philly. We had family in Philly so we would go back over the bridge to see them multiple times a year. There was a toll on the bridge entering into Philly, but none going back into Jersey. I grew up believing they were charging us to get back into Philly because they didn't like us, and wouldn't charge us going back over to Jersey because they were happy to see us leave.

Muddy
01-24-2019, 03:34 PM
81 is a beautiful drive.

DemonGeminiX
01-24-2019, 03:35 PM
Except for that big ass toll booth station that everybody hates...

Muddy
01-24-2019, 03:38 PM
Ive never seen it..

RBP
01-24-2019, 03:43 PM
In Illinois, cash tolls are twice the price of using an IPass electronic tolling. I talked to a trucking lobbyist promoting my idea that it is a violation of the 4th Amendment to impose a 100% premium for not allowing the state to collect data on your movements. Data that, by the way, is discoverable in court proceedings. I was told that they made a similar argument, but because there is an alternative route, there was no 4th Amendment claim.

So in Virginia's case, there may be a 4th Amendment violation by disallowing alternative routes. In effect, the state is forcing travelers to give up privacy of travel data or be forced to pay a fine.

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 08:36 PM
Never paid a toll in my life. Also, never have driven on an American road.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 08:37 PM
Never paid a toll in my life. Also, never have driven on an American road.

You aren't missing anything, the condition of most of our roads are fucking shitty :lol:

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 08:40 PM
Ours too :lol:

We have limited choices with almost constant summer construction on highways. Last summer on the main highway most take to Vancouver there were three hour delays.

Three hours you sit in your car while looking up at the mountains and wonder where the next gas station is.

Griffin
01-24-2019, 08:49 PM
Hey Hal... recognize this stretch of highway?

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii308/johng52/2015%20Canadian%20Rockies%20trip/Canadian%20Rockies%20184_zpsxysezr94.jpg

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 08:54 PM
Looks like the foothills right out past Calaway Park heading to Canmore.

Griffin
01-24-2019, 08:57 PM
I'm glad I was heading west, eastbound lane was backed up for miles.

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 09:06 PM
Judging by the trees and grass looks like you were there in autumn.

We had 41 cms of snow this past September...glad you missed that too :lol: