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Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 02:26 PM
Ian Stobber - askmen.com


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When you picture a manly man — a guy who every guy wants to be — you’re often picturing someone pretty rugged. Since strength and success are so intertwined with masculinity, a man’s man has to be someone who’s good at things and unlikely to fail or fall short. In other words, in the popular imagination, a man has to possess skills in order to be a real man.

Not just any skills will do, however. We know this because, frankly, some skills are openly mocked. You could be the world’s best crossword puzzle solver and be made fun of by a mediocre car mechanic for being a geek. You could be the world’s best opera singer, and get razzed by a middling boxer for your high-pitched voice. Some skills just aren’t considered very manly.

The skills men aspire to are the Man Skills, an ability to solve real-world problems, often involving physical strength or technical know-how, rather than creativity or emotional intelligence. Unfortunately, however, as the technology in our lives shifts from analog to digital and from a luxury to a necessity, a lot of the traditional Man Skills are lessening in importance.

What that means is guys still care about being good at things that have no (or little) practical usage today, while ignoring the growing importance of developing experience and comfort with new types of skill sets.

Now, if you want to stay focused on being the coolest guy ever circa the 20th century, knock yourself out! Nobody can make you respect 21st century manliness if you don’t want to. But if you’re at all interested in being ahead of the curve and exploring how to be the kind of man who’s tops in the near future rather than the distant past, then read on to discover which skills are becoming obsolete, and what you should be looking to replace them with.

1. Hunting

Hunting was a hugely important skill for much of human history, but in light of the rise of cheap and readily available factory-farmed meat, hunting’s relationship to the food we actually eat has disappeared for the overwhelming majority of the population. If you grew up in a rural area, there’s a good chance you learned to shoot game at some point, but as much as many contemporary guys fantasize about being able to kill a wild animal and eat it (Mark Zuckerberg, anyone?), particularly if you live in a big city, there’s really not much real-world benefit to that glorification.

Instead, Learn How to Cook for Yourself

Meanwhile, the average millennial man is probably more adept at ordering dinner online than actually making it, which is too bad. Cooking your own meals is a lot of fun, generally cheaper than eating out or ordering in, and typically healthier, too. It’s also something that, while it may seem impossible to a beginner, is actually not as complicated as it seems. Join a cooking class — or even watch some YouTube how-tos or try a meal kit delivery service — and you might be surprised at how handy you become in the kitchen. And yes, it will impress people.

2. Fighting

It’s a pretty common conception that at the root of every male confrontation is the possibility of physical violence. Road rage incidents, bar standoffs, most guys have found themselves in a situation that felt like a prelude to fisticuffs. And in a violent dog-eat-dog world, there’s a certain logic to that approach. But how many of those situations actually evolve into a fight? And why should any of them? Physical fighting literally doesn’t solve anything — it just leaves people angry and bruised, or worse.

Instead, Learn How to Mediate

Problem-solving with an eye to compromise and healthy conflict resolution is something that, by and large, men just aren’t taught growing up. That’s one of the reasons many of us are so quick to start swinging or shoving rather than handling things with our words. But if we start thinking that the real loss isn’t losing (or walking away from) a fight, but rather getting into one in the first place, what would we really lose?

The old-world caveman mentality of brute force’s dominance is dying out. If you’re someone who can work through a confrontation without needing to beat the other person into submission — physically, verbally or emotionally — you’ll see it pay off in your close personal relationships, too. Next time things start getting heated, try recognizing that you're angry and trying to engage the other person with your words (or just walking away).

3. Repairing Your Car

In the popular imagination, the greasy car mechanic wiping his sweaty brow as he peers into your car hood is always a guy. Concordantly, the idea that a car is a guy thing and a guy should be able to fix his car as a result is something that’s pretty ingrained in our cultural beliefs. But as cars shift from analog behemoths to digital devices, some of the basic functionality in your car is now completely out of the fixing range of even the handiest of men. Not to mention that increasingly, electric cars, public transit, and cycling are becoming more attractive options for environmental reasons, and ride-sharing or car-sharing services mean the link between being in a car and being responsible for its functioning is as tenuous as it’s ever been.

Instead, Learn How to Code

The 20th century mythos of the car as a vehicle that gave you freedom — to cross great distances, to discover new things, to leave your past behind — is perhaps now more accurately applied to the internet. There’s a pretty good chance you spend more time online these days than driving (ideally not at the same time, though), but the average person probably has little idea how any of the internet actually functions, let alone how to build a website or make an app.

Considering the way the economy is increasingly shifting toward the digital, having at least a solid grounding in what makes the internet tick is a good idea generally. There are a lot of free or cheap how-to courses designed to help you learn how to code these days. Give one a try and see if it doesn’t come more in handy than learning to replace the alternator.

4. Fixing Things at Home

Power tools are such a de facto man thing that you’d be hard-pressed to find examples of women using them in most movies or TV shows. Men just are the mechanics of the world, right? As with car maintenance, however, the idea that a man owns his house and should therefore know how to take care of it is increasingly an outdated concept. With most millennials having no real shot at home-ownership, there’s a good chance your landlord will be the one in charge of fixing anything that goes wrong in your place — or, more likely, paying someone else to.

Instead, Learn How to Decorate

It’s a sort of running gag in contemporary culture that women put a lot of effort into decorating their homes and filling them with the basic household necessities while men, well, sleep on a mattress lying on the floor. While it’s not as cut-and-dried as that, the average guy probably has some catching up to do with regards to interior design. It’s not something that women are innately better at, after all; it’s something that you can make serious strides in by committing yourself to. If you have the time and/or the money, investing in how your space looks, feels, and functions can really change how you feel about the space (and how any potential dates you bring home feel about it).

5. Being a Leader

For much of human history, patriarchal societies meant women were expected to stay home and raise children, and men were expected to run everything else. Meaning, while there’s a good chance your mom wasn’t a CEO, your grandmother almost certainly wasn’t.

But in today’s world, the notion that a man will or must be a leader is increasingly vanishing. What that means is that guys who were brought up expecting to be in control are now having to accept that — gasp! — their boss is a woman. What to do?!

Instead, Learn How to Collaborate

Workplaces of the future are likely to be less reliant on men’s top-down leadership and more dependent on open communication between coworkers of all genders and utilizes a lot of different peoples’ skill sets. Rather than a bunch of guys all competing to nail down a corner office, a healthy workplace is one where ego takes a backseat to communal success.

Unrestrained ambition and a need to be in control all the time will hurt your chances at a promotion, not help them. So instead, try to focus on building soft skills such as supporting co-workers, building links between different divisions, and knowing how and when to compromise.

6. Being a Disciplinarian

For a long time, the most important aspect of being a father was simply providing for your family, and second, perhaps, was molding your sons into men. That meant being stern with them — even harsh. That meant toughening them up by teaching them how to shoot, how to fight, how to push through their pain, how to overcome their fears. All the old Man Skills, basically.

The archetypal disciplinary father really wasn’t setting his sons up to have emotionally healthy lives, though, meaning possible repressed trauma, difficulty communicating about feelings, and a dire need to see a therapist are far more common than you’d hope for adult men.

Instead, Learn How to Communicate With Your Children

If you really want to have a positive impact on their lives, it’s vital that you prioritize being there for them and encouraging them to be open with you about what they think and how they feel, rather than pushing them to fit into a narrow model of how to be. Don’t be the father who punishes his son for exploring more feminine things — he’ll resent you. Instead, be the father who encourages his kids to pursue their own interests and to become their own people, and who’s there to listen when something’s gone wrong.

7. Holding Your Emotions In

For a long time, the model man was stoic: the strong, silent type who never cried and wouldn’t admit when something made him sad or afraid. Let’s leave that whole concept in the past where it belongs.

Aside from just valuing communication, kindness, and empathy, this is a life-and-death issue. Men’s inability to open up can cause them to struggle with forming friendships and meaningful bonds with other people, which scientists have linked to early male mortality rates. That’s right: Being emotionally walled up is literally killing men.

Instead, Learn How to Talk About Your Feelings

As a man, there might not be any single more important skill you can pursue than emotional maturity. Understanding what you’re feeling, why you’re feeling it, and how to handle that feeling is something that few men are taught growing up, and it’s hard to overstate the negative impacts the absence of that skill can pose. If you have the means to, consider going into therapy. Even if you don’t feel that you’re struggling and haven’t been diagnosed with any mental health issues, therapy is a proven effective way to work through problems that have been plaguing you and become a happier, healthier version of yourself.

DemonGeminiX
01-24-2019, 02:42 PM
1. Learn to do both
2. Go fuck yourself
3. Learn to do both
4. Go fuck yourself
5. Learn to do both
6. Go fuck yourself. Mind your own business and quit telling people how to raise their kids, asshole.
7. Go fuck yourself. How'd I do in expressing my feelings here?

RBP
01-24-2019, 03:05 PM
Jesus. :lol:

:puke:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 03:13 PM
Sounds like a lot of toxicity up in here [-(

Muddy
01-24-2019, 03:30 PM
What a stupid article that I didnt thouroughly read because I dont really care what this fuck thinks men should do.

RBP
01-24-2019, 03:32 PM
What a stupid article that I didnt thouroughly read because I dont really care what this fuck thinks men should do.

We're going to die off, Muddy. I hope these kids grow up.

Muddy
01-24-2019, 03:40 PM
They arent all stupid.. just the ones that get posted here.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 03:48 PM
They arent all stupid.. just the ones that get posted here.

There's A LOT more stupid out there than you think...

Muddy
01-24-2019, 04:11 PM
There's A LOT more stupid out there than you think...

Im sure. I just personally dont run in to it proportionately to what I see here..

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 09:11 PM
Learn how to code <> repairing your car

Not exactly a one to one tradeoff.

If I knew how to write computer code I'd probably be driving a much nicer car :lol:

They flippantly say - learn code, like it's playing baseball and the average person can just pick it up.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-24-2019, 09:14 PM
Pfffffft....I learned to code over lunch :hand:

Griffin
01-24-2019, 09:19 PM
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DemonGeminiX
01-24-2019, 09:27 PM
Learn how to code <> repairing your car

Not exactly a one to one tradeoff.

If I knew how to write computer code I'd probably be driving a much nicer car :lol:

They flippantly say - learn code, like it's playing baseball and the average person can just pick it up.

Learning to code is easy, or at least it was to me. Having to code for a company is an entirely different thing altogether... and it's not as lucrative a position as many people believe.

I know 4 or 5 (C, C++, Java, Python, and some 16 and 32 bit assembly language under the Pentium instruction set) languages and I couldn't think of anything worse than having to do it for a paycheck. I enjoy coding things for myself, and it's usually junk that no one else would have a use for, but I despise having to do it for others.

I knew a grad student at Georgia Tech that got a Master's degree in CompSci, then took a job for $25K a year, which is a fucking insult to somebody with an advanced degree. The problem is, the job market is flooded with people looking for jobs, and unless you're qualified to take a job that's wildly specific and hard to come by for employers, like coding in machine code, then it's a buyer's market and the prospective employee's going to get screwed.

Hal-9000
01-24-2019, 09:34 PM
Learning to code is easy, or at least it was to me. Having to code for a company is an entirely different thing altogether... and it's not as lucrative a position as many people believe.

I know 4 or 5 (C, C++, Java, Python, and some 16 and 32 bit assembly language under the Pentium instruction set) languages and I couldn't think of anything worse than having to do it for a paycheck. I enjoy coding things for myself, and it's usually junk that no one else would have a use for, but I despise having to do it for others.

I knew a grad student at Georgia Tech that got a Master's degree in CompSci, then took a job for $25K a year, which is a fucking insult to somebody with an advanced degree. The problem is, the job market is flooded with people looking for jobs, and unless you're qualified to take a job that's wildly specific and hard to come by for employers, like coding in machine code, then it's a buyer's market and the prospective employee's going to get screwed.

Yes I read an article from a gaming perspective and from what they said there, it was anything but straightforward and easy. Some people see things...other people find it difficult.

The article did echo some of the things you said above in terms of creating and testing games. Some of the guys would work 16 hour days doing the 'grunt' coding, which wasn't the creative end of the process, and it sounded more like the filling in the blanks part of the game creation. Very tedious work and not much money.

Then again some of the guys lucked out and got hired by Bethesda (working under Todd Howard) and became superstars. Even debugging and testing game programs sounded like repetitive and soul crushing work.

DemonGeminiX
01-24-2019, 09:39 PM
A lot of coding is like that. The majority of the time, you're working as part of a team, and you're asked to write short snippets of code with certain inputs that yield a certain output, but you never see the bigger picture of what the code is being used for. It usually ends up being very generic and pedestrian, and for all you know, your snippet of code could be used in a program that replaces jobs for 30+ people that really need the work to put food on the table for their families.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-25-2019, 12:28 AM
A lot of coding is like that. The majority of the time, you're working as part of a team, and you're asked to write short snippets of code with certain inputs that yield a certain output, but you never see the bigger picture of what the code is being used for. It usually ends up being very generic and pedestrian, and for all you know, your snippet of code could be used in a program that replaces jobs for 30+ people that really need the work to put food on the table for their families.Or be used in a weapon of mass destruction :shifty:

Godfather
01-25-2019, 07:56 AM
If this guy just changed the tone to 7 things that everyone should still be learning and taught in school rather than replacing these useful skills with wasteful ones, he might have a fair point. Instead this is some sort of bizarre post capitalist, new wave feminist manifesto against being handy and doing things for yourself. Digging us all deeper into debt is the practical result of what he's saying, and socially where the fuck is he going with this... everyone's supposed to be a stereotypical chick apparently.

DemonGeminiX
01-25-2019, 08:55 AM
Or be used in a weapon of mass destruction :shifty:

Oddly enough, I have absolutely no fundamental problem with that. As long as we're not giving the code to the bad actors in the world, then fuck it, bombs away!

RBP
01-25-2019, 12:33 PM
everyone's supposed to be a stereotypical chick apparently.

Now you're getting it. The end game. Bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator to allow space for the Alpha females.

Muddy
01-25-2019, 03:41 PM
Starting to make sense Rainbow..

RBP
01-25-2019, 03:44 PM
It hasn't been about equality since the 70's. Now they smell blood in the water as it reaches critical mass.

Muddy
01-25-2019, 04:02 PM
It hasn't been about equality since the 70's. Now they smell blood in the water as it reaches critical mass.

For the feminists.. The majority of women out there are good people.. But as usual, the radicals make the news and slowly indoctrinate all the non-radicals to believing their mantra is main stream.

RBP
01-25-2019, 05:02 PM
For the feminists.. The majority of women out there are good people.. But as usual, the radicals make the news and slowly indoctrinate all the non-radicals to believing their mantra is main stream.

Agreed. But one one with the megaphone sets the agenda.

There are fair minded voices out there, they just don't get the attention. I post Suzzanne Venker from time to time, Christina Hoff Sommers, even Camille Paglia. Paglia is a fascinating one because she is social commentator, a radical for her time. She broke away when feminism turned to perpetual victimhood, which she does not support.


I am an equity feminist: that is, I demand equal opportunity for women through the removal of all barriers to their advance in the professional and political realms. However, I oppose special protections for women as inherently paternalistic and regressive. Women have rarely worked side by side with men in the way they now do in the modern workplace, whose competitive operational systems were devised by men for maximum productivity. Despite their general affluence, professional women of the Western world have been chronically unhappy for decades, and I conjecture that it is partly because they have been led to expect happiness from a mechanical work environment that doesn’t make men happy either.

I don't have blinders, Muddy. I have studied these social phenomenons for years. And no, I do not believe that the screechers represent main stream American women, but the numbers willing to yell in support and believe the myths has grown significantly. That's critical mass.

Hal-9000
01-25-2019, 05:19 PM
"She broke away when feminism turned to perpetual victimhood..."

that's when I lost interest

RBP
01-25-2019, 05:21 PM
"She broke away when feminism turned to perpetual victimhood..."

that's when I lost interest

That's when you lost interest in feminism or in my post?

Hal-9000
01-25-2019, 05:25 PM
That's when you lost interest in feminism or in my post?

Feminism.

I lost interest in your posts when I stopped shaving my pits and started marching with my liberal sisters.

RBP
01-25-2019, 05:32 PM
:lol:

I think you would like Camille. She's a little heady, but speaks her mind and calls out societal bullshit.

Short primer interview: https://quillette.com/2018/11/10/camille-paglia-its-time-for-a-new-map-of-the-gender-world/


Paglia: The headlong rush to judgment by so many well-educated, middle-class women in the #MeToo movement has been startling and dismaying. Their elevation of emotion and group solidarity over fact and logic has resurrected damaging stereotypes of women’s irrationality that were once used to deny us the vote. I found the blanket credulity given to women accusers during the recent U.S. Senate confirmation hearings for Brett Kavanaugh positively unnerving: it was the first time since college that I truly understood the sexist design of Aeschylus’s Oresteia, whose mob of vengeful Furies is superseded by formal courts of law, where evidence is weighed.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-28-2019, 05:20 PM
I knew a grad student at Georgia Tech that got a Master's degree in CompSci, then took a job for $25K a year, which is a fucking insult to somebody with an advanced degree. The problem is, the job market is flooded with people looking for jobs, and unless you're qualified to take a job that's wildly specific and hard to come by for employers, like coding in machine code, then it's a buyer's market and the prospective employee's going to get screwed.

He must not be that bright then

DemonGeminiX
01-28-2019, 08:15 PM
He must not be that bright then

Not everybody wants to live in Commiefornia.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-28-2019, 08:25 PM
Not everybody wants to live in Commiefornia.

There are coding jobs all over the states that pay way more without a masters

https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary

DemonGeminiX
01-28-2019, 08:40 PM
There are coding jobs all over the states that pay way more without a masters

https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary

Just because they have a nice salary listed on a job posting, that doesn't mean that you're going to get it. You must have missed my point of the market being flooded, with new entrants coming into it trying to compete every year.