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Teh One Who Knocks
01-30-2019, 12:26 PM
By Elizabeth Cohen and John Bonifield, CNN


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(CNN)Two states experiencing a measles outbreak, Washington and Oregon, allow parents to opt out of vaccines simply because they want to.

And while they hate to say "I told you so," pediatricians, well, told them so.

"I've been saying now for the last couple of years [that] it's only a matter of time before we see a horrific measles outbreak in the Pacific Northwest," said Dr. Peter Hotez, co-director of the Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.

All states require immunizations for children to attend school. Forty-seven states -- all but California, Mississippi and West Virginia -- allow parents to opt out of vaccines if they have religious beliefs against immunizations, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Among those 47 states, 18 states also allow parents to opt out of vaccines if they have personal, moral or philosophical beliefs against immunizations.

Oregon and Washington are among these states that allow for personal belief exemptions. The other 16 are Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin and Vermont.

These states have particularly high levels -- or "hot spots" -- of unvaccinated children and are vulnerable to measles outbreaks, according to a study by Hotez and his colleagues that published last year.

One of the hot spots is the Pacific Northwest, specifically Seattle, Spokane and Portland.

On Friday, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee declared a state of emergency after 35 confirmed cases of measles and 11 suspected cases in his state. Since then, two more cases were confirmed in Washington and one case in Oregon. Hawaii also reported two cases in visitors from Washington who were infected before traveling to the islands.

In 2016, the American Academy of Pediatrics took a stance that personal and religious exemptions should end.

"It's really a no-brainer," said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, chair of the academy's Committee on Infectious Diseases.

The pediatricians' group supports only medical exemptions, such as for children undergoing chemotherapy, since the vaccine could be harmful to them.

"There's no reason why non-medical exemptions should exist," said Maldonado, chief of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the Stanford University School of Medicine.

In 2015, Oregon and Washington legislators considered measures that would make it harder to get exemptions. Both measures failed after lobbying by anti-vaccine groups.

"Mandatory forced vaccination will trample on some of the foundations of medical ethics which require fully informed consent to any invasive medical procedure," Robert Snee with Oregonians for Medical Freedom wrote to state senators.

"If government in America is allowed to force its fellow citizens to risk injury or death without their voluntary, informed consent, then we are no longer free Americans. Our bodies are then owned by the state and can be sacrificed by the will of the state," he added.

Legislators in Washington are now considering a new measure that would ban personal exemptions for the measles vaccine.

In 2015, California got rid of personal and religious exemptions -- but only after a bitter fight.

"At times, it was really frightening to see how angry and hostile people were to this idea," Maldonado said.

She said the legislation passed in California for two reasons. First, a well-publicized measles outbreak linked to Disneyland in California had just sickened 147 people nationwide. Second, a state senator who is also a physician, Dr. Richard Pan, spearheaded the legislation.

"You had to have a champion like Richard, who's a pediatrician, and an event that really spurred it on," Maldonado said.

She said perhaps politicians in other states would get rid of the exemptions if they saw firsthand how children suffer when they get diseases that could have been prevented with a shot.

"I've seen children develop diseases that are vaccine-preventable, and it's just really horrible," she said. "To see that in this day and age -- it's absolutely painful."

DemonGeminiX
01-30-2019, 12:35 PM
Man, people are stupid.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-30-2019, 12:36 PM
But Jenny McCarthy said that vaccines cause the autism :freakout:

DemonGeminiX
01-30-2019, 12:49 PM
Jenny McCarthy is famous because she's pretty and got naked in Playboy. It doesn't take much in the way of intelligence to get famous when you've got that going for you.

RBP
01-30-2019, 01:15 PM
I agree that it should be medical exemptions only, but I also see the point about forced medical care. However, neglect is neglect, and if the source child can be identified, the parents should be held criminally responsible.

Goofy
01-30-2019, 01:23 PM
Eejits :|

Pony
01-30-2019, 01:40 PM
I wonder how many anti vaxx people that got infected (or their kids) have now changed their minds.

Muddy
01-30-2019, 02:53 PM
I don't doubt that some kids have adverse reactions to the vaccines.. With that being said, the good of the many outweigh the good of the few. It is what it is.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-30-2019, 06:10 PM
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PorkChopSandwiches
01-30-2019, 06:16 PM
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deebakes
01-31-2019, 02:45 AM
:lol:

Godfather
01-31-2019, 03:51 AM
I wonder how many anti vaxx people that got infected (or their kids) have now changed their minds.

I've seen some posts screen capped online of anti-vax parents saying 'please help, there's a measles outbreak how can I keep my child safe without vaccine' :| There's no vaccine for stupid.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-31-2019, 12:08 PM
I've seen some posts screen capped online of anti-vax parents saying 'please help, there's a measles outbreak how can I keep my child safe without vaccine' :| There's no vaccine for stupid.

https://www.boredpanda.com/anti-vaxxer-asking-measles-protection-advice/

Pony
01-31-2019, 01:03 PM
The comments on that are hilarious!

PorkChopSandwiches
01-31-2019, 05:06 PM
I read yesterday there has been a increase in searches by kids trying to find out how to get vaccinated without parental consent

Hal-9000
01-31-2019, 06:24 PM
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Hey PCS I thought you were an anti-vaxxer Mom? :-s

Teh One Who Knocks
01-31-2019, 06:29 PM
The comments on that are hilarious!

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I like this one :lol:

Hal-9000
01-31-2019, 06:34 PM
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I like this one :lol:

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*limb gets sheared off in horrible chainsaw accident*

Facebook - Rub some dirt on it, you'll be fine.

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PorkChopSandwiches
01-31-2019, 07:10 PM
Hey PCS I thought you were an anti-vaxxer Mom? :-s

I had my kids vaccinations staggered, they have them all. I just didn't like the idea of blasting them with 5-6 vaccines in one shot at a young age

Godfather
02-01-2019, 02:35 AM
I had my kids vaccinations staggered, they have them all. I just didn't like the idea of blasting them with 5-6 vaccines in one shot at a young age

I follow this kinda funny pediatrician on youtube who promotes that approach too... I have no idea if there's any evidence that it's safer this way but hey, if approaching the subject delicately encourages more parents to trust their physicians and pharmacists, so be it.

Hal-9000
02-01-2019, 05:15 AM
I asked a doctor why I got measles, mumps (not rubella, who the fuck gets rubella...isn't that a condiment?) after getting vaccinated when I was young.

He said it's like flu shots, the vaccinations don't always prevent diseases but they lessen the symptoms. Then he explained that only 30-50 years previous kids were dying from measles. He asked if I remember how I felt when I had the measles. I replied - Had a slight temperature, spots all over, missed like a whole week of school and ate regularly. It was like a holiday!

point - doctor

Godfather
02-01-2019, 05:35 AM
I asked a doctor why I got measles, mumps (not rubella, who the fuck gets rubella...isn't that a condiment?) after getting vaccinated when I was young.

He said it's like flu shots, the vaccinations don't always prevent diseases but they lessen the symptoms. Then he explained that only 30-50 years previous kids were dying from measles. He asked if I remember how I felt when I had the measles. I replied - Had a slight temperature, spots all over, missed like a whole week of school and ate regularly. It was like a holiday!

point - doctor

I wish I could find it but there's a photo of two kids side by side with measles. Both have the virus, but one kid was vaccinated while the other wasn't. The contrast is stark. The kid who was unvaccinated looked like a horror movie, while the vaccinated boy looked more akin to someone with a bad case of chicken pocks if I remember correctly.