The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

[PorkChopSandwiches]

A number of Democratic Party presidential hopefuls — including Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julián Castro, and Beto O’Rourke, for starters — have already endorsed or expressed support for the “Green New Deal” (GND). Today, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey dropped details about her plan.

It is not hyperbole to contend that GND is likely the most ridiculous and un-American plan that’s ever been presented by an elected official to voters. Not merely because it would necessitate a communist strongman to institute, but also because the societal cost are unfathomable. The risible historic analogies Markey and Ocasio-Cortez rely on, the building of the interstate highway system or moon landing, are nothing are but trifling projects compared to a plan overhauls modernity by voluntarily destroying massive amounts of wealth and technology. That is the GND.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.

Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy production so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.

Ban cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.

Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.

Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?

A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.

Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).

A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.

Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.

Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The GND uses the word “massive” to explain the size “investments” (formerly known as “taxes”) 13 times. How will we pay for this plan? “The same way we did the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailouts and extend quantitative easing,” say Markey and Cortez, who earned her degree in economics at an institution of higher learning that should be immediately decertified. The plan itself seems to insinuate that billionaires can pay for the whole thing. Of course, best case scenario, it is estimated that instituting a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent would raise a little more than $700 billion over that decade. She does not explain how we’re going to raise the other 20 bazillion dollars it will cost to deconstruct modernity.

Cortez and Markey claim that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal. I’m not sure where that number is derived. But ask them again when government agents come to take out their water heater.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

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[Pony]

:cheerlead:

[RBP]

New York Magazine called it "utopian and pragmatic" :hand:

Full text of the GND... https://www.brightest.io/green-new-deal/

[DemonGeminiX]

Utopian? Yeah, sure... because there could never be a utopia in this universe/reality/dimension. It'll never happen.

Pragmatic? There is absolutely nothing sensible or realistic or practical in that bill.

[Pony]

How to pay for this and where to get the energy aside:
Just replacing every car in the US with electric would be catastrophic for the environment. It would entail huge mining operations just to get enough raw (and some toxic) materials. Getting raw materials for the batteries alone would be worse for the environment than to continue using fossil fuels.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Gregg Re | Fox News


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Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who announced a sweeping "Green New Deal" on Thursday that promises to render air travel obsolete, get rid of flatulent cows and ensure economic security for everyone in less than a decade, seemingly contradicted herself in a span of twelve hours on the nature of the government's role in the massive undertaking.

NPR host Steve Inskeep asked Ocasio-Cortez Thursday morning about concerns from conservatives that the 29-year-old former bartender's proposal involves an unconstitutional government overreach, as well as the unsustainable and dangerous elimination of huge swaths of the American economy.

"One reason that people who are politically conservative are skeptical of efforts to combat climate change is that it sounds to them like it requires massive government intervention, which they just don’t like," Inskeep asked. "Are you prepared to put on that table that, 'Yes actually they’re right, what this requires is massive government intervention?'"

Ocasio-Cortez responded: "It does, it does, yeah, I have no problem saying that. Why? Because we have tried their approach for 40 years. For 40 years we have tried to let the private sector take care of this. They said, 'We got this, we can do this, the forces of the market are going to force us to innovate.' Except for the fact that there’s a little thing in economics called externalities. And what that means is that a corporation can dump pollution in the river and they don’t have to pay, but taxpayers have to pay."

But later in the day, in an interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd, Ocasio-Cortez blamed conservatives for suggesting that she wanted a massive government program.

"I think one way that the right does try to mischaracterize, uh, what we're doing as though it's, like, some kind of massive government takeover," Ocasio-Cortez told Todd. "Obviously, it's not that, because what we're trying to do is release the investments from the federal government to mobilize those resources across the country."

Ocasio-Cortez, who has warned that climate change may end the world in 12 years, went on to decline to call herself a capitalist.

"I don't say that," Ocasio-Cortez responded, when asked by Todd if she considers herself a capitalist. "I believe in a democratic economy, but -- but the but is there."

In what may be the most far-reaching proposal to ever be considered in Congress, Ocasio-Cortez unveiled the "Green New Deal" hours earlier -- a government-led overhaul of virtually every aspect of American life that would guarantee a host of taxpayer-covered benefits for all and phase out fossil fuels.
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Along the way, her office says the plan would aim to make air travel obsolete, upgrade or replace every building in America to ensure energy efficiency and give economic security even to those "unwilling" to work.
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“Today is the day that we truly embark on a comprehensive agenda of economic, social and racial justice in the United States of America,” she said alongside Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., and other lawmakers outside the Capitol. “That’s what this agenda is all about.”

The plan, which calls for a massive package of big-government proposals including health care for all, quickly picked up the backing of major 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls including Sens. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Cory Booker, D-N.J. -- who all co-sponsored the resolution.

“Our history is a testimony to the achievement of what some think is impossible — we must take bold action now,” Booker tweeted.

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Cows may be eliminated by the Green New Deal announced Thursday.

While the resolution itself would do very little because it is non-binding, it is the first time the policy proposal has been formally outlined in Congress. The resolution says “a new national social, industrial and economic mobilization on a scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal” is an opportunity to tackle systemic injustices toward minority groups, create millions of high-wage jobs and “provide unprecedented levels of prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States.”
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Its proposals include “net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers;” job creation; infrastructure investment; guarantees of clean water, healthy food and sustainable environment; and a curiously undefined “access to nature.”

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Movement protest inside the office of US Representative Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to advocate that Democrats
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Beyond those broad proposals, the plan and accompanying documents from Ocasio-Cortez include a range of far-fetched goals -- and drew swift scorn from Republicans and other critics. The Republican National Committee dubbed it a "socialist wish list" that would kill at least 1 million jobs and disrupt global trade -- while costing trillions.
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The resolution, for instance, includes a proposal to “upgrade all existing buildings” in the country in order to achieve energy efficiency, safety, affordability, durability and comfort.

An accompanying FAQ, released by Ocasio-Cortez’s office and first obtained by NPR, goes even further, calling to "upgrade or replace every building in the US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency." A second similar FAQ on her website echoed some of those prescriptions though was later removed.

The resolution also backs the concept of high-speed rail as a proposal to reduce carbon emissions -- but the FAQ goes so far as to urge that development “at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.”

It also promises “economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work.”

What constitutes economic security is not clear, but the plan does call for programs including a federal job guarantee, universal health care and "affordable, safe, and adequate housing."

The FAQ also notes that it has set a goal of net-zero, rather than zero, emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.”
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As for how to pay for the Green New Deal?

"The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs," Ocasio-Cortez's FAQ states. "The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit."

The FAQ continues: "There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity."

However, the push is likely to see resistance not only from Republicans but even some Democrats. Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, was asked about the plan to replace planes with high-speed rail and did not seem impressed.

“That would be pretty hard for Hawaii,” she laughed.

On Wednesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appeared to dismiss the plan.

“It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive,” Pelosi told Politico on Wednesday. “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?”

Even aside from the Green New Deal, conservative commentators have argued that most proposed solutions to global warming would do more harm than good, and also have accused climate activists of crying wolf. In 2006, a NASA scientist and leading global warming researcher declared that the world had only 10 years to avert a climate catastrophe -- a deadline that has come and gone.

[Godfather]

I hear she completely wiped this New Green Deal from her website already too :lol: Not just stupid but gutless and stupid, rough combo

[Godfather]

Stupid question perhaps (I've really really cut back following US politics this year), but how do most center-right/moderate Republicans feel about Nancy Pelosi in general? Whenever I see Cortez's name in headlines, I see Pelosi's not far cutting her off :lol: At least with regards to Cortez she seems to be a voice of reason.

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Maybe I'm mistaken, but this is an ideal rather than an actual policy? Agreed? good.




Now to my important point. What if cows enjoy farting. Who is looking after bovine rights in this raw deal?

[RBP]

Stupid question perhaps (I've really really cut back following US politics this year), but how do most center-right/moderate Republicans feel about Nancy Pelosi in general? Whenever I see Cortez's name in headlines, I see Pelosi's not far cutting her off :lol: At least with regards to Cortez she seems to be a voice of reason.

The fact that Pelosi is sounding sane and reasonable in comparison tells you all you need to know. Oh... Pelosi in general, right... she's a lunatic and until recently, a fringe lunatic. Now she's a centrist lunatic.

[RBP]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but this is an ideal rather than an actual policy? Agreed? good.

Now to my important point. What if cows enjoy farting. Who is looking after bovine rights in this raw deal?

Well, yes, except that the kids are demanding that D presidential candidates commit to a "Green New Deal" as part of their platform. Kamala Harris was asked to commit on the spot at her fake town hall. Instant mocking fodder now, which has potentially big impacts in 2020.

As for the cows, meat will be banned. The interesting question is whether the cows get slaughtered to save the planet. What a dilemma!!! Killing them for killing sake is worse than killing them for food. But allowing the herds to live out life in pasture means more greenhouse gases for years. And what about forced sterilization to prevent them from reproducing naturally? Also animal cruelty? The infighting will be epic.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Personally, I'm waiting for that NY to London rail service, that will be awesome :thumbsup:

[lost in melb.]

Well, yes, except that the kids are demanding that D presidential candidates commit to a "Green New Deal" as part of their platform. Kamala Harris was asked to commit on the spot at her fake town hall. Instant mocking fodder now, which has potentially big impacts in 2020.

As for the cows, meat will be banned. The interesting question is whether the cows get slaughtered to save the planet. What a dilemma!!! Killing them for killing sake is worse than killing them for food. But allowing the herds to live out life in pasture means more greenhouse gases for years. And what about forced sterilization to prevent them from reproducing naturally? Also animal cruelty? The infighting will be epic.

Come on. It's a 'white paper'. And I'm sure you know politicians can say any shit they like about anything now for any purpose, and change the mind the same day ;)

[RBP]

Come on. It's a 'white paper'. And I'm sure you know politicians can say any shit they like about anything now for any purpose, and change the mind the same day ;)

I do not see it discussed as a philosophical idea, I see it discussed as party platform and litmus test for candidates. I have no idea what wing of the party will prevail, but I am not betting on a move to the center. The left of the party is at war with the ill-named conservative right of the democrat party.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Come on. It's a 'white paper'. And I'm sure you know politicians can say any shit they like about anything now for any purpose, and change the mind the same day ;)It's more than just a "white paper" (which is racist BTW), it's a proposal for legislation that AOC would love to bring to the floor. Thankfully, that will never happen though because even Pelosi has enough sense in this case to know this is utter nonsense. She even mocks it by referring to it as the "Green Dream" :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I do not see it discussed as a philosophical idea, I see it discussed as party platform and litmus test for candidates. I have no idea what wing of the party will prevail, but I am not betting on a move to the center. The left of the party is at war with the ill-named conservative right of the democrat party.All this nonsense will just help Trump in 2020. Can you imagine being the democrat candidate telling coal miners, cattle ranchers, dairy farmers, oil workers, airlines and their employees, et al that you will be out of jobs because this pile of crap is the direction the country is headed in now?

:facepalm:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Well, yes, except that the kids are demanding that D presidential candidates commit to a "Green New Deal" as part of their platform. Kamala Harris was asked to commit on the spot at her fake town hall. Instant mocking fodder now, which has potentially big impacts in 2020.

As for the cows, meat will be banned. The interesting question is whether the cows get slaughtered to save the planet. What a dilemma!!! Killing them for killing sake is worse than killing them for food. But allowing the herds to live out life in pasture means more greenhouse gases for years. And what about forced sterilization to prevent them from reproducing naturally? Also animal cruelty? The infighting will be epic.Can you see PETA's head exploding? No more people eating meat!! But wait, we have to kill the cows to do it?? But no more beef!! But, dead cows?? What do we do??

:rofl:

[lost in melb.]

I do not see it discussed as a philosophical idea, I see it discussed as party platform and litmus test for candidates. I have no idea what wing of the party will prevail, but I am not betting on a move to the center. The left of the party is at war with the ill-named conservative right of the democrat party.

Then they get what they deserve. Btw, I don't think the Republican party is a united front, either. Meantime the US trundles on, for the most part in pretty good shape. I wonder, aside from someone calling up for telephone polling, how many americans actually care about this shit.




It's more than just a "white paper" (which is racist BTW), it's a proposal for legislation that AOC would love to bring to the floor. Thankfully, that will never happen though because even Pelosi has enough sense in this case to know this is utter nonsense. She even mocks it by referring to it as the "Green Dream" :lol:

AOC ain't gonna shut up. Ever :popcorn:




Brown paper? Or bla...never mind :hand:

[DemonGeminiX]

Then they get what they deserve. Btw, I don't think the Republican party is a united front, either. Meantime the US trundles on, for the most part in pretty good shape. I wonder, aside from someone calling up for telephone polling, how many americans actually care about this shit.

You'll find out in November 2020.


AOC ain't gonna shut up. Ever :popcorn:

Some unstable person might take that as a challenge.


Brown paper? Or bla...never mind :hand:

Slightly tan paper? :-k

[RBP]

AOC ain't gonna shut up. Ever :popcorn:

We should use Hillary's description of Bill's accusers and call it a "bimbo eruption".

[Teh One Who Knocks]

We should use Hillary's description of Bill's accusers and call it a "bimbo eruption".:hand:

Facts not in evidence, you're assuming that AOC is at least a smart as a bimbo.

[Pony]

I saw somewhere that up to 40 dems have signed onto the green dream.

[lost in melb.]

I saw somewhere that up to 40 dems have signed onto the green dream.

Not dream - deal :nono:

It's happening next year ( once Trump approves)

[PorkChopSandwiches]

The fact that Pelosi is sounding sane and reasonable in comparison tells you all you need to know. Oh... Pelosi in general, right... she's a lunatic and until recently, a fringe lunatic. Now she's a centrist lunatic.

I was hoping she would win reelection because they ones in waiting are far worse then her, and that's nuts

[PorkChopSandwiches]

All this nonsense will just help Trump in 2020. Can you imagine being the democrat candidate telling coal miners, cattle ranchers, dairy farmers, oil workers, airlines and their employees, et al that you will be out of jobs because this pile of crap is the direction the country is headed in now?

:facepalm:

You saw how that worked for Hillary