Restaurant says kids younger than 6-years-old no longer welcome

[Teh One Who Knocks]

McDain's Owner Says 'Volume Can't Be Controlled' Under Age 6
WTAE Channel 4 News


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MONROEVILLE, Pa. -- Stephanie Kelley, of Trafford, has been a weekly customer of McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center. Not any more.

The eatery on Broadway Boulevard in Monroeville has decided to stop admitting young children, and she's the mother of a toddler.

"I can't believe this. I am offended. This is just an ignorant policy," Kelley told Team 4 investigator Jim Parsons.

In an email sent to loyal McDain's customers, owner Mike Vuick wrote, "Beginning July 16, 2011, McDain's Restaurant will no longer admit children under six years of age. We feel that McDain's is not a place for young children. Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."

Vuick explained his reasoning to Team 4 on Friday, saying, "I think it's the height of being impolite and selfish, and therefore, I instituted a policy."

The owner said he won't make exceptions with the new rule.

"Nothing wrong with babies, but the fact is you can't control their volume," Vuick said. "There may be restaurants that prefer to cater to such things. Not here."

Kelley's son, Jameson, is 13 months old. She had planned a July 16 dinner outing at McDain's with a group of 20 visiting family members from North Carolina, but Vuick told her he would not take the reservation if she plans to bring young Jameson.

"We really enjoy eating at McDain's, and Jameson is very well-behaved," Kelley said. "If they're so concerned about noise, what do they plan to do about the loud people at the bar?"

Customers who spoke with Parsons on Friday said children in the restaurant don't bother them, but they support Vuick's right to deny service.

"It's up to him. If he thinks they're a problem under 6, then I think the patrons should abide by that," Suzanne Swigart said.

"Out they go," Paul Swigart said. "if that's his determination, out they go."

Vuick said he's confident that a majority of his customers will support the new policy.

"We've had the place here for 22 years, and the restaurant for nine, and I've noticed in those nine years there are certain parents who can't leave their children at home," Vuick said.

"You know, their child -- maybe as it should be -- is the center of their universe. But they don't realize it's not the center of the universe."

Restaurants cannot ban senior citizens, because they're in a protected class under the law, but there is no law that protects children from being denied service.

[JoeyB]

Restaurants cannot ban senior citizens, because they're in a protected class under the law, but there is no law that protects children from being denied service.

Odd footnote. As if senior citizens create a ruckus.

My opinion, about damn time! I hate kids in public places, and agree with the (politely phrased) sentiments he expressed about some parents and some children. To put it in non-PC terms, some parents let their kids do whatever the fuck they want and don't even try to control them.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Odd footnote. As if senior citizens create a ruckus.

My opinion, about damn time! I hate kids in public places, and agree with the (politely phrased) sentiments he expressed about some parents and some children. To put it in non-PC terms, some parents let their kids do whatever the fuck they want and don't even try to control them.

I agree 100% :thumbsup:

There will be parents that are mad about this, or mad at people like us with this opinion, but the only people they should be mad about are the parents that can't control their monsters children and ruined it for all the other families.

[Hal-9000]

I think that's exactly what the restaurant owner was alluding to without outright saying it...the parents are responsible.

"Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."

[JoeyB]

I agree 100% :thumbsup:

There will be parents that are mad about this, or mad at people like us with this opinion, but the only people they should be mad about are the parents that can't control their monsters children and ruined it for all the other families.

I do actually feel bad about those parents who control their children. Sucks for them. But a business can't spend all day vetting who is and isn't a responsible parent. And of course, if you let one kid in, the asshole parents of those out of control brats will be up in arms about having their kid banned. The only option is to keep them all out.

Also, and mind you I was a kid in the seventies and went to a LOT of bars with my dad, but this is a restaurant/bar combination. Toddlers don't need to be in that environment anyway.

On a side note, tying in with the above statement and just to reflect changing times, but there was a bar my dad frequented where the owner would actually boot out anyone who got loud or started swearing. Because, and I kid you not, he ran a 'family bar'.

I have fond memories of every bar I went to, the barmen were always nice and the patrons friendly. But, those were all old neighborhood style places. Some of the patrons were older and missed their own families, some had a lot of broken dreams. So, they tended to be nice to kids. If you didn't grow up in that era you probably would never understand. These days I think bars are best kid free.

[Muddy]

FUCK, Mcdains ! Looks like a dump anyway... I hope someone pisses in your IV bag when you get older and need to count on someone to feed you.. :thumbsup:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

See, I'm always right ;)

[Hal-9000]

FUCK, Mcdains ! Looks like a dump anyway... I hope someone pisses in your IV bag when you get older and need to count on someone to feed you.. :thumbsup:


a proud parent weighs in ^^^

[JoeyB]

See, I'm always right ;)


a proud parent weighs in ^^^

Kids suck ass.

[Muddy]

Kids suck ass.


That's what your mom says every time she sees your fat ass laying on her couch in the evening.. :rimshot:

[Godfather]

Funny this is here... There was this 9 month old at the sushi restaurant tonight... she was adorable, half the place was smiling at her :lol: Good as gold too.

I don't have a strong opinion... but I eat meals out a lot and don't remember the last time kids bothered us :-k



These guido's in their late 20's/early 30's with a little money, (wearing UFC clothing and over-sized watches with fake-tan girlfriends), screaming and being morons like they own the place? Fuck them. Ban those guys.

[Griffin]

I couldn't live in an area that apparently has only one eating establishment to patronize.

[JoeyB]

That's what your mom says every time she sees your fat ass laying on her couch in the evening.. :rimshot:

You know I am fat, and do live with my mother.

:(:cold:



I'm going into that thread where I defended you and editing my post to defend the other guy! :axe:

[redred]

as a dad i can see both sides of this ,i have what i think is a well behaved kid that will sit at a table and wait in a nice way ,yet there are parents who go out and think that the places they go should look after there kids as part of the service and let them run around ,shout and piss off other customers ,there are many other places that would cater for kids in this area i would think so don't fight the ban it's that place that is willing to lose money from families be doing this

[Teh One Who Knocks]

as a dad i can see both sides of this ,i have what i think is a well behaved kid that will sit at a table and wait in a nice way ,yet there are parents who go out and think that the places they go should look after there kids as part of the service and let them run around ,shout and piss off other customers ,there are many other places that would cater for kids in this area i would think so don't fight the ban it's that place that is willing to lose money from families be doing this

Very well said....and that's the problem. People shouldn't be mad at the restaurant, they should be mad at the moron parents that let their monsters precious little angels run wild and ruin everyone else's time at the restaurant. Directing their anger anywhere else is just stupid.

But, but, but what about the rights of the parents and their little angels to be able to go out to eat? Yeah, well what about my right to go out to a restaurant and eat in peace without some little brat screaming and yelling and running all around the restaurant while the parents do absolutely nothing about it?

Take your kids to Chuck E Cheese if you want them to run wild.

[Acid Trip]

Take your kids to Chuck E Cheese if you want them to run wild.

Didn't you post a story awhile back about parents getting into brawls at Chuck E Cheeses?

[Muddy]

You know I am fat, and do live with my mother.

:(:cold:




I apologize Joey.. I have a kid hating, property line nazi living across the street from me.. I'm sensitive sometimes when people make generalizations about children. My comment was not intended to hurt your feelings, It was intended to remind you that we we're all kids once...

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Didn't you post a story awhile back about parents getting into brawls at Chuck E Cheeses?

Probably :lol:

[Muddy]

Chuck E Cheese is a looney bin with kids puking all over the place, and black people playing full court basketball on the little kids basketball hoop machine... That place really sucks..

[Goofy]

As has been said before in this thread, some kids are as good as gold, well-mannered from an early age and only speak when spoken to.......... but some others seem to think that shouting at the top of their lungs is a good idea :-k Personally i think the owner has a right to decide who should and shouldnt frequent his establishment.......... you take away his right to decide that then we'd be as well living in a dictatorship

[Loser]

While I understand that we were all kids once, my four siblings, nor myself, ran around in public screaming at the top of our lungs or causing a ruckus.

There's no denying, "most" kids these days are a fkin nuisance, but that's because of lazy inept parents.

[Hal-9000]

I often give unruly kids pop and chocolate bars when they're running around a restaurant....the sugar helps calm them down


:face:

[Muddy]

I feel for a lot of the parents that can't control their kids... It's not like you can snatch them up and beat the shit out of them in a restaurant... Unless you want your butt hauled off to jail...

[Hal-9000]

they should make an "inside voice" drug for kids...kinda like a Flintstones chewable

[Muddy]

My kids are ok in restaurants.. It's Costco where they freak out...

[Teh One Who Knocks]

While I understand that we were all kids once, my four siblings, nor myself, ran around in public screaming at the top of our lungs or causing a ruckus.

Exactly....same with me and my brother when we were kids.


I feel for a lot of the parents that can't control their kids... It's not like you can snatch them up and beat the shit out of them in a restaurant... Unless you want your butt hauled off to jail...

Me and my brother rarely ever got spanked yet we never caused a disturbance when we were out in public. As loser said, it's lazy and inept parents that cause it because their kids are just so adorable and can do no wrong.

[Jezter]

Why not remove the families that are causing ruckus instead of just flat out banning all? Plus, why exactly kids under 6 ? There are people disturbing other people in all age groups... Stupid thing this, IMO.

[Muddy]

Why not remove the families that are causing ruckus instead of just flat out banning all? Plus, why exactly kids under 6 ? There are people disturbing other people in all age groups... Stupid thing this, IMO.

Exactly, when Im in a restaurant it's usually some loudmouth drunk talking/laughing at the top of their lungs that irritates me.. HAWWW HAWWW HAWWW... YEAHHH BILLL HAAWWW HAWWW

[Jezter]

Exactly, when Im in a restaurant it's usually some loudmouth drunk talking/laughing at the top of their lungs that irritates me.. HAWWW HAWWW HAWWW... YEAHHH BILLL HAAWWW HAWWW

Yes sir. And those people can be escorted out the property. Just like the parents with monster kid(s).

[Muddy]

Yes sir. And those people can be escorted out the property. Just like the parents with monster kid(s).
Never happen... Friggin hippocrates..

[Hal-9000]

When we were younger, we used to play war or army.Being fairly progressive kids we used to have a medic for each side.When someone got shot he'd get 'treated' by the medic.We had a few old rags and sheets...the medic would wrap a rag around the arm or the leg of the kid who was shot, indicating where he got injured.One day one of the kids brought a huge butcher knife or cleaver (not a knife) to our wargames.It was kinda cool, he'd run it across your arm and leave a slight mark and that was 'the operation'.

Later, his mom came running out of her house screaming bloody blue murder, " Bradley you get your ass home right now and bring that ^%$#@! knife back!!!" :x
She chased him around the park a bit and finally he relented close to home where we were playing war.She started paddling his ass between every swear word and we heard - SMACK!..and then him yelping, SMACK! You never take a knife out of this kitchen again!!!! SMACK!...

and so even at a young age I was a smartass and after each time she paddled his bottom I would scream MEDIC!!! and the rest of were rolling on the ground laughing :lol:


Point is - He never took a knife out again, more out of embarrassment than her swats on his little behind :thumbsup:

[Muddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWdCKPtnYE

[JoeyB]

I apologize Joey.. I have a kid hating, property line nazi living across the street from me.. I'm sensitive sometimes when people make generalizations about children. My comment was not intended to hurt your feelings, It was intended to remind you that we we're all kids once...

I was never a kid.


Chuck E Cheese is a looney bin with kids puking all over the place, and black people playing full court basketball on the little kids basketball hoop machine... That place really sucks..

Is that racist? I'm sensitive about that because I was a black kid once.



HAHAHA sorry muddygut, I'm amusing myself today, but I'll stop masturbating now and take this thread more seriously.


I often give unruly kids pop and chocolate bars when they're running around a restaurant....the sugar helps calm them down


:face:

It's also how he lures them into his van.


Why not remove the families that are causing ruckus instead of just flat out banning all? Plus, why exactly kids under 6 ? There are people disturbing other people in all age groups... Stupid thing this, IMO.

I already addressed that you Finnish Borg you:


I do actually feel bad about those parents who control their children. Sucks for them. But a business can't spend all day vetting who is and isn't a responsible parent. And of course, if you let one kid in, the asshole parents of those out of control brats will be up in arms about having their kid banned. The only option is to keep them all out.

[FBD]

I feel for a lot of the parents that can't control their kids... It's not like you can snatch them up and beat the shit out of them in a restaurant... Unless you want your butt hauled off to jail...

I dont feel one bit sorry for the parents, although I do feel a wee bit sorry for the kids, until they're a bit more grown up enough to know better, then sorry no more feeling bad for you.

I dont feel one bit sorry for the parents...BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR DIRECT ACTIONS THAT NURTURED "HELLSPAWN" IN THEIR KIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! (Whether they were observant enough to figure it out or not.

If your kid is a monster, you were either far too nice or far too complicit and lazy in their upbringing to teach them properly.

Either way, its a failure of parenting.