Russian government caught changing Wikipedia entry on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17: report

what was that again about russia pointing out the fact that US satellites were overhead at the time...

http://www.infowars.com/whistleblowe...ing-down-mh17/

Whistleblower: U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E

"Proof of a cover-up is proof of a conspiracy"

Obligatory Obama admin response :

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White House spokesman Josh Earnest says Russia's denials of complicity in MH17 downing are 'getting more desperate and harder to believe'

:lol: and who says Progressives dont live in in backwards land

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Originally Posted by FBD

what was that again about russia pointing out the fact that US satellites were overhead at the time...

http://www.infowars.com/whistleblowe...ing-down-mh17/

Whistleblower: U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E

"Proof of a cover-up is proof of a conspiracy"

it's a bunch of text with quotes by "the source" :lol:

and they go on to say that the Ukraine troops were possibly undisciplined and drunk, because of beer bottles scattered about.....this from a satellite image????

:rofl: that's a whole lot of conjecture with no actual proof quite similar to - Lindsay Lohan wears no panties on Thursdays...a 'source' close to Lindsay reports :lol:

:lol: oh, if only yall gave the same level of scrutiny to all sides

I'm simply looking at the evidence put before me...I have no opinion either way BEFOREHAND, which makes me an excellent forensic investigator :thumbsup:

we need something from zerohedge i refuse to believe this has even happened till i see something from tyler durden :lol:

as long as a Canadian didn't pull the trigger...I remain neutral

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as long as a Canadian didn't pull the trigger...I remain neutral

So.... you're denying any involvement? You're trying to tell me it's NOT a plot by Canada to weaken the US to the point you could launch a successful invasion?

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Originally Posted by Pony

So.... you're denying any involvement? You're trying to tell me it's NOT a plot by Canada to weaken the US to the point you could launch a successful invasion?

Hey just because your dodgy satellite imagery shows what appears to be some empty Tim Hortons coffee cups and leftover poutine on paper plates, does NOT mean that Canucks launched that missile.

Besides, where large armaments are concerned we Canadians get anxiety attacks just looking at pictures!! :x :x

..and we would have apologized afterwards [-(

Hahahahaha

:lol:

The trouble with exposing false flags is that they conflict too dramatically with the narrative that comprises the world for most people.

Evidence?

Ukraine announces immediately after the fact they know who did it - with no evidence. This is immediately parroted all over.

They show a clip of missiles being driven around and say see, this is returning to russia - and stupidly include billboards from solidly kiev controlled areas, undermining that entire portion of their story.

A simple search at reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days - and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower? Also why did Kiev controlled air traffic controllers tell them to fly 20,000 feet lower than usual? Kiev has confiscated the evidence.

http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/201...lag-operation/

Radiation from a battery's Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30km south of Donetsk) was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17's flight path. The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles. MH17 was flying at 500 mph. So assuming the "rebels" had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on.

And then there's the suspicious timing. The MH17 tragedy happened two days after the BRICS announced an antidote to the IMF and the World Bank, bypassing the US dollar. And just as Israel "cautiously" advances its new invasion/slow motion ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Malaysia, by the way, is the seat of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, which has found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity.

The distance from the point of launch to the point of the fall is 37 kilometres. At the same time, the elevation of the plane was 10-11 kilometres. For the Russian BUK M2 this distance is, in fact, achievable (although with a very important caveat discussed below).

The thing is that most short to medium range Anti-Aircraft systems work extremely poorly in a “pursuit” mode. There are a number of reasons for this, and I do not intend to belabor the point, but you can take it as an axiom that when the launch is made in “pursuit” of the target, the maximum distance of the launch that successfully hits the target is at least half of the advertised maximum distance (in reality, it even worse, but let’s leave aside the sad part). Accordingly, the real distance of a “pursuit” launch for BUK M1 is 16 kilometres. What’s more, the last 3 kilometres are purely “God willing” and “without guarantees.”

And, so, we have the background. Let’s see how the picture unfolds:

The launch is alleged to have been made from Chernukhino. The maximum distance of the launch is 16 kilometres. The aircraft fell between Snezhnoye and Torez. That’s 37 kilometres, which is 20 kilometres more than the maximum possible point at which the plain could have been hit. You know, even a plane with turned-off engines can’t glide like that. But the trouble is that the aircraft was not whole.

According to the pattern of the spread of fuselage fragments and bodies, the plane was ruptured practically with the first shot. Here it must be mentioned that the high-explosive/fragmentation warhead of the rocket has a mass of approximately 50 kilograms (by the way, Ukrainians have an outdated modification, which is only 40 kilograms).

Overall, that’s not too little; however, it must be understood that it detonates not when it sticks into an airplane, but when it is still at a certain, and fairly significant distance. Moreover, the main strike factor is not the blast wave, but far more significantly – the stream of fragments. These fragments are previously prepared rods (and in the earlier versions – little cubes, if I recall correctly). And yes, for a jet fighter, that, in itself, is more than sufficient.

However, here we are dealing with a huge airliner. Yes, one rocket will rip the casing, cause depressurization, and will kill a lot of passengers. But it will not break up the airliner into pieces. Given certain conditions, the pilots may even be able to land it. And, in fact, there have been precedents (to be provided in future posts). For example – the very same An-28, which is alleged to have been the first victim of a BUK system; even though it was done for, but the crew was able to successfully catapult out. Which, in some way, symbolizes. An An-28, by the way, is far smaller than a Boeing.

Nevertheless, this has relation to the next part of our analysis. For now, let’s accept as a fact the break-up of the aircraft in the air, at a significant height (which is, in essence, what was observed. Allow me to remind you: “fragments spread over a radius of 15 kilometres.” The key here is that this means the following: the aircraft (or, more precisely, the core of the aircraft) fell literally at the point where the rocket impacted it. Clarifying: as soon as the aircraft turned into a host of fragments of different mass, the separation of these fragments began due to air resistance and the difference in inertia. The densest fragment flew a further 3-6 kilometres, falling more and more steeply. The lightest – spread out and, due to gliding and air currents, fell somewhere within a 10 kilometre radius. The medium ones (primarily pieces of casing with high sail-effect and the victims’ bodies) – fell almost vertically.

In other words, the rocket caught up to the plane no closer than 25 kilometres away from Chernukhino. Which is absolutely impossible for a BUK system.

Carlos the air traffic controller appears to be real

An Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol Airport in Kiev

Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Not to mention, the US missile defense satellites that we paid so much for were right overhead at the time of this. Where is the data? US? Hello? nothing??

And then there's the suspicious timing. The MH17 tragedy happened two days after the BRICS announced an antidote to the IMF and the World Bank, bypassing the US dollar. And just as Israel "cautiously" advances its new invasion/slow motion ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Malaysia, by the way, is the seat of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, which has found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity.

The preventing of Russian gas getting to the sea there via crimea/ukraine would hit the russians very hard in the pocket.

So who has motive, again?

Who has evidence, again?

Who has pointed the finger and at the same time withheld evidence?

How much more do you need to figure out which "side" committed this act?

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we need something from zerohedge i refuse to believe this has even happened till i see something from tyler durden :lol:

:lol: pardon my need to go to sources that are not bought and paid for and only present what they are told to.

yall didnt hear about the 60 people killed by kiev's shelling a town in eastern ukraine over the weekend...right, that doesnt fit with the narrative...

all the mainstream news outlets are corporate controlled garbage.

"...since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared"

I find this interesting/damning

Judging by the evidence posted above, yes it does appear that the Ukrainians are behind it.

thanks for restoring a bit of my faith in humanity, hal :lol: now go say the same thing about 7 and I'll feel good for the whole rest of the day :dance: