Russian government caught changing Wikipedia entry on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17: report

So what about all of the debunking 911 vids and articles?

If the US government is willing to kill 3000 innocent souls to further an agenda, don't you think they'd take a less complex direction? As in, a lot of pegs had to line up that September morning for a conspiracy to work, including the piloting of commercial airliners into the Trade Center buildings. Because that did happen, no matter what tales conspiracy theorists want to postulate.

We have the Muslim hi-jackers training at flight centers, same group caught on cameras boarding the various planes, we have Bin Laden claiming responsibility - putting himself, his family and his high level coworkers in immediate jeopardy, we have multiple engineers saying that yes - 400 tons of jet fuel after an impact of that magnitude would definitely weaken a 40 year old structure..

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Originally Posted by Hal-9000

So what about all of the debunking 911 vids and articles?

If the US government is willing to kill 3000 innocent souls to further an agenda, don't you think they'd take a less complex direction? As in, a lot of pegs had to line up that September morning for a conspiracy to work, including the piloting of commercial airliners into the Trade Center buildings. Because that did happen, no matter what tales conspiracy theorists want to postulate.

We have the Muslim hi-jackers training at flight centers, same group caught on cameras boarding the various planes, we have Bin Laden claiming responsibility - putting himself, his family and his high level coworkers in immediate jeopardy, we have multiple engineers saying that yes - 400 tons of jet fuel after an impact of that magnitude would definitely weaken a 40 year old structure..

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Don't you dare try and bring logic and common sense into a crazy conspiracy theory :nono:

:hand: The Evil Dead not getting best picture Oscar in 1981 was a conspiracy...911 was a tragedy committed by Al-Qaeda, not Al-Gore

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Originally Posted by Hal-9000

So what about all of the debunking 911 vids and articles?

If the US government is willing to kill 3000 innocent souls to further an agenda, don't you think they'd take a less complex direction? As in, a lot of pegs had to line up that September morning for a conspiracy to work, including the piloting of commercial airliners into the Trade Center buildings. Because that did happen, no matter what tales conspiracy theorists want to postulate.

We have the Muslim hi-jackers training at flight centers, same group caught on cameras boarding the various planes, we have Bin Laden claiming responsibility - putting himself, his family and his high level coworkers in immediate jeopardy, we have multiple engineers saying that yes - 400 tons of jet fuel after an impact of that magnitude would definitely weaken a 40 year old structure..

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do you also recall bin laden saying he was going to reveal the truth to the american people and it would shock the hell out of them? Why do you think he was immediately killed, and KSM's point of view was NEVER released to the public because "its all classified?" (well...what is so classified? what is so damaging that such information cannot be known by the general public, only high level government and military officials are allowed to see such info?)

regardless of how you want to bring these factors together - the fact remains that there is a smoking gun in comparing the demolition of 7 to the "official government sanctioned story of HERE IS TEH TROOF," so honestly the rest of these logistics are trivial.

if the gub had nothing to hide then why did they put out a blatant lie as the official truth of what happened? go in the conspiracy thread and watch the vid I just posted and you tell me that is not a demolition ;)

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Originally Posted by FBD

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do you also recall bin laden saying he was going to reveal the truth to the american people and it would shock the hell out of them? Why do you think he was immediately killed, and KSM's point of view was NEVER released to the public because its all classified?

regardless of how you want to bring these factors together - the fact remains that there is a smoking gun in comparing the demolition of 7 to the "official government sanctioned story of HERE IS TEH TROOF," so honestly the rest of these logistics are trivial.

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Immediately killed?


Over 10 years later??


[-( he could have sent a few carrier pigeons in that time

:lol: immediately, as in, the instant one of our forces saw him, there was a bullet in his head


by presidential direction, no less

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Originally Posted by FBD

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do you also recall bin laden saying he was going to reveal the truth to the american people and it would shock the hell out of them? Why do you think he was immediately killed, and KSM's point of view was NEVER released to the public because "its all classified?" (well...what is so classified? what is so damaging that such information cannot be known by the general public, only high level government and military officials are allowed to see such info?)

regardless of how you want to bring these factors together - the fact remains that there is a smoking gun in comparing the demolition of 7 to the "official government sanctioned story of HERE IS TEH TROOF," so honestly the rest of these logistics are trivial.

if the gub had nothing to hide then why did they put out a blatant lie as the official truth of what happened? go in the conspiracy thread and watch the vid I just posted and you tell me that is not a demolition ;)

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Because one building fell that wasn't struck by a plane...which sat less that 4 city blocks from the destruction that did occur that day...and that's the smoking gun that says the rest of it was a fabrication?


:lol: you're losing me mate

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Originally Posted by FBD

:lol: immediately, as in, the instant one of our forces saw him, there was a bullet in his head


by presidential direction, no less

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so he had a bombshell of a secret and couldn't get word or proof out the masses within a 10 year span?


pretty thin dude :lol: he could have exonerated himself from being the worst mass murderer in history by sending one video to Reuters or getting a letter out via his helpers

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Originally Posted by FBD

:lol: immediately, as in, the instant one of our forces saw him, there was a bullet in his head


by presidential direction, no less

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Did you read the SEAL's book or watch The 60 Minutes special on how things went down in that compound...pretty scary and interesting stuff.

Hal, you have to have seen controlled demolitions before, no? it is a science. The slightest fuckup and the building does not drop in its own footprint, it tips over unevenly.

Are you trying to tell me that some office fires - and remember, no substantial pieces of 1 or 2 hit 7 - made this building drop perfectly in its own footprint???

This is OT for this thread...so if it is desired to continue this in the conspiracy corner, I can respect that.

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Originally Posted by Hal-9000

so he had a bombshell of a secret and couldn't get word or proof out the masses within a 10 year span?


pretty thin dude :lol: he could have exonerated himself from being the worst mass murderer in history by sending one video to Reuters or getting a letter out via his helpers

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It sounded like he eventually wanted to get it told but knew if he came right out and said so then the government had its story and would be immediately countered...I dont pretend to have all the answers but I can recognize a fake bullshit story when I've investigated it enough.

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Originally Posted by FBD

Hal, you have to have seen controlled demolitions before, no? it is a science. The slightest fuckup and the building does not drop in its own footprint, it tips over unevenly.

Are you trying to tell me that some office fires - and remember, no substantial pieces of 1 or 2 hit 7 - made this building drop perfectly in its own footprint???

This is OT for this thread...so if it is desired to continue this in the conspiracy corner, I can respect that.

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sounds good...too much of a tangent for the thread subject matter :thumbsup:

Back to topic:

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Jacob Dreizin, a US citizen who speaks Russian and reads Ukrainian provided this update three hours ago.

Hello Mish,



On Friday, the Daily Mail, one of the major UK tabloids carried photos and video of what was alleged to be a rebel “Buk” launcher heading back to Russia. The article carried a claim from some Ukrainian source that the launcher was missing several missiles after having shot them at the Malaysian 777. The article was prominently linked to the Drudge Report, and so was probably viewed by several million people.



Today, this meme made it into Uncle Sam’s official narrative, as per the following New York Times excerpt:



On the CBS program “Face the Nation,” Mr. Kerry referred to a video that the Ukrainians have made public showing an SA-11 unit heading back to Russia after the downing of the plane with “a missing missile or so.”



The video referenced by the New York Times was, in fact, posted on the Facebook account of the Ukrainian Interior Minister. The allegation was that the launcher was crossing the border with Russia.



However, going by the billboard and other features of the scenery, Russian bloggers and news sources claim to have identified the road in the video as having been taken in or near the town of Krasnoarmeisk (“Krasnoarmiysk” in Ukrainian), which has been under Kiev’s control since May.



In fact, the billboard is supposedly advertising a Krasnoarmeisk car dealership. Also, one of the structures in the background is said to be a construction materials store on Gorkii Street, Krasnoarmeisk.



Please note that this town is (very roughly) 120 kilometers from the Russian border and 80 kilometers from where the Malaysian 777 went down. And again, it has been under Kiev’s control since May.



At least one other clip of the “Russian Buk” that has been made available also suggests that the Ukrainians are showing their own equipment. I’m still working on researching that one for you.



Jacob

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so in other words, about as real as the AR-15 in sandy hook...a complete fabrication-media-suggestion.

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It is beyond incredibly sloppy for Ukraine to release such a video with a clear billboard of something in Ukraine-held territory, purportedly showing a Buk missile launcher headed back to Russia.



And we are supposed to believe Kiev? Kerry?



Please be serious. If you are really interested in the truth, you do not resort to such easily disproved and sloppy bullsheet.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsbC8yDeGUw

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And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online - and now copies and an English translation are available.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

Assuming Carlos is legit, the assessment makes sense. The Ukrainian military are divided between Chocolate king President Petro Poroshenko - who would like a d?tente with Russia essentially to advance his shady business interests - and Saint Yulia Timoshenko, who's on the record advocating genocide of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. US neo-cons and US "military advisers" on the ground are proverbially hedging their bets, supporting both the Poroshenko and Timoshenko factions.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central...01-190714.html

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:-k

Russia 'Told Rebels To Hide MH17's Black Boxes'
http://news.sky.com/story/1304439/ru...7s-black-boxes



more evidence that video was a fake

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Quelling some conspiracies - though we are sure more will come on 'tampering' - the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak issued a statement confirming it has reached an agreement on the MH17 investigation...

MALAYSIA SAYS BLACK BOXES TO BE HANDED OVER TO MALAYSIAN TEAM

Of course, this means the "credibility" of the latest YouTube clip from Ukraine, which "supposedly" revealed that the "rebels" were instructed by Moscow to hide the black boxes will be severly questioned, or would be if there was anyone out there still questioning anything in the relentless propaganda barrage. Actually scratch that: said clip will now promptly disappear from social networks, period.

As AP reports,

Malaysia's prime minister reaches deal with rebel leader to allow "safe access" to crash site.

Furthermore,

MALAYSIA SAYS IT HAS ESTABLISHED AGREEMENT ON MH17 BODIES
MALAYSIA SAYS BODIES TO LEAVE FOR THE NETHERLANDS

The timing of the handover of the black boxes is 9pm Ukraine time.

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