a lot of could be's , am I right in thinking like most of us this guy has not been to the site and just posting what he thinks based on pictures?
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a lot of could be's , am I right in thinking like most of us this guy has not been to the site and just posting what he thinks based on pictures?
that I dont know - if they're classified as "experts" then that should denote they have worked on and analyzed things like this before, with proficiency. 2 of them included in the links have reached similar conclusions, and with some high res shots to look at, you can examine particulars like this. but the holes going in both directions is significant, plus the mention that usually, planes burst into flames (especially something carrying enough gas to go to Kuala Lumpur) in air when hit with something like the sa-11, but seldom with machine gun fire. the plane only burst into flames when it hit the ground...
odd that higher res pictures are being reported as being taken down from places they reside on the internet....
I also find it incredibly hard to believe that the US wouldnt have had their satellites watching every last little thing there, and if that's the case, there is no reason they would not have produced pictures of the rocket launched that hit the plane, if reality fit the story they wanted to tell. it dont strike you as odd, given our surveillance capabilities, the near complete lack of any presentation of data from it?
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wisse...aysian-mh-017/
looks like this one is looking at photo's :tup:Quote:
First, I was amazed at how few photos can be found from the wreckage with Google. All are in low resolution, except one: The fragment of the cockpit below the window on the master page. This image, however, is shocking. In Washington, you can hear voices now speaking regarding MH 017 from a "potentially tragic error / accident". Given that image does not surprise me that.
I recommend to click on the little picture on the right. You can download this photo as PDF in good resolution. This is necessary, because only then is to understand what I am describing here. I'm not talking about speculation, but of clear facts:
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/59019/...e-abgeschossen
would guess this is just his views :tup:Quote:
This is the assessment of retired Colonel Bernd Biedermann in an
article for the daily newspaper published in Berlin “new Germany”
your post
http://www.tehfalloutshelter.com/sho...l=1#post552834
is this not the same ?Quote:
Enjoy watching the state department basically admit that their "evidence" is based on youtube and social media posts
at this point in time no one apart from the person who press the button really knows what happened
I dont think its the same, especially seeing as how people proved some of the stuff to be fake propaganda, e.g. the ukranian launcher they said was returning to russia, with the Uke billboard in the pic...etc, etc, etc have already mentioned.
are you somehow not getting the impression that US-EU-Nato-Ukr is withholding any relevant data they might have? the only "data" aside from crash analysis (which does involve plenty of pictures, higher res the better, because you dont even see the holes going both directions in low res shots...) that has yet to be released is all from Ukraine and US's standpoint...
your views right or wrong always seem against the system , you're against the police , government , teachers everyone :lol: so could your views be blinkered by the sites that you visit which also always seem to be against the power maybe if you poked your head around the middle ground you may see that both sides of this seem based so far on could be this or could be that , because so far I've not seen any facts apart from a plane has been blown out of the sky and all onboard have lost there lives , all I've seen is the 2 sides blaming each otherQuote:
I dont think its the same
eh, more like I dont really give anyone the benefit of the doubt any more :lol: this whole thing stinks to high hell (and gas is a very strong component of that smell...one big mixture of gas and bullshit :lol: )...I'm honestly shocked everyone around here is so predisposed to automatically blaming russia, then again, we've been hearing for eons how russia is bad, mkay...so then it becomes the "conditioning" facepalm...but then I feel like I'm insulting you guys by pointing out that your belief that it was the separatists who shot it down is based on that conditioning and little else aside from fingerpointing, extreme scrutiny for anything that goes against the propagandized storyline, while giving a veritable pass of "oh well, nobody really knows" when confronted with all of the evidence that keep increasingly pointing at the Ukranian army.
I mean, all the western news media totally lied about the coup there when this latest government was ushered in, illegally according to how Ukranian law used to stand...and then when the east doesnt want to be told what to do, to be saddled with hundreds of millions of dollars in IMF loans, Kiev tells them *that* is an illegal action and attacks them, bombs the shit out of residences and stuff...and then the lesser known data that there's frack-able lands in the east Ukraine, and the locals didnt want the fracking to happen, in comes biden junior as legal exec, there's war, and then we hear stuff about them going in and setting up shop to be able to start extracting fracked gas when that would have taken 10 years to get all that up and running...just all happens to coincide with them screwing with russia about gas...
no dots to be connected? sorry mate, I'm looking at the big picture and not just MH11 evidence (the vast majority of which imho points at ukr army)....there's all kinds of shit going on, and with the US's penchant for regime change, let's make sure this oil/gas makes it to the market where it can be sold in dollars, support the whole petrodollar racket...
I hope you understand where I'm coming from on this. :) My government is fucking evil, it is controlled by evil people who employ soulless, morally devoid henchmen to do their bidding, at the direct expense of the american people. They are treasonous and need to be swinging from lamp posts, every last one of them. God kill the queen, and all that. The world would have been a better place if he had.
so get the fuck out then :lol:Quote:
My government is fucking evil, it is controlled by evil people who employ soulless
but I'm not IN the government :lol:
and...I almost have. but decided that friends and loved ones were more important than spending years and years in peace at 7000 feet in the andes...
American Intelligence Officers Who Battled the Soviet Union for Decades Slam the Flimsy “Intelligence” Against Russia
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...-evidence.html
signed,
Prepared by VIPS Steering Group
William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)
Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)
Edward Loomis, NSA, Cryptologic Computer Scientist (ret.)
David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)
Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)
Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)
Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)
Peter Van Buren, U.S. Department of State, Foreign Service Officer (ret)
Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)
http://www.infowars.com/soros-admits...er-in-ukraine/
Lest something else be forgotten about this, you all know what an evil son of a bitch George Soros is... and everyone missed him admitting he had a hand in the illegal coup that took place in the Ukraine that put the current "government" there. Soros is also on record as having assisted the Nazis in WW2.
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George Soros told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria over the weekend he is responsible for establishing a foundation in Ukraine that ultimately contributed to the overthrow of the country’s elected leader and the installation of a junta handpicked by the State Department.
“First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?” Zakaria asked Soros.
“Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now,” Soros responded.
It is well-known, although forbidden for the establishment media to mention, that Soros worked closely with USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy (now doing work formerly assigned to the CIA), the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the Freedom House, and the Albert Einstein Institute to initiate a series of color revolutions in Eastern Europe and Central Asia following the engineered collapse of the Soviet Union.
“Many of the participants in Kiev’s ‘EuroMaidan’ demonstrations were members of Soros-funded NGOs and/or were trained by the same NGOs in the many workshops and conferences sponsored by Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), and his various Open Society institutes and foundations. The IRF, founded and funded by Soros, boasts that it has given ‘more than any other donor organization’ to ‘democratic transformation’ of Ukraine,” writes William F. Jasper.
This transformation led to fascist ultra-nationalists controlling Ukraine’s security services. In April it was announced Andriy Parubiy and other coup leaders were working with the FBI and CIA to defeat and murder separatists opposed to the junta government installed by Victoria Nuland and the State Department. Parubiy is the founder of a national socialist party in Ukraine and currently the boss of the country’s National Security and Defense Council.
And now, a plea for everyone to join him in combating this existential threat that is Russia...
some of yas getting excited about what side of history it looks like you're on? :razz:
:blind:
http://i.imgur.com/JS6NAWB.jpg
of course I do not know the authenticity of this photo - but this is on the level of resolution I would have expected from the US Government (nato, whatever you want to call what's behind calling shots like this,) if they indeed had evidence they wanted to attempt to use to back up their story their tried telling.
if it was a buk shot, you know goddam well there would have been an image that looked almost exactly like this, showing the buk trail coming up from the ground.