The Last of Us - HBO (Discussion - beware of spoilers)

https://youtu.be/uLtkt8BonwM

Looks great.

The season finale ended with.....I dunno :wha:

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Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks

The season finale ended with.....I dunno :wha:

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Don't say that. I've been on holidays and was looking forward to this :|

It just felt 'off' the way they left it.

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Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks

It just felt 'off' the way they left it.

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It's pretty damn close to how the game ends, except getting to Ellie to save her is a bit more of a challenge in the game. But Joel does save her and lie to her at the end of the game.

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Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX

 

It's pretty damn close to how the game ends, except getting to Ellie to save her is a bit more of a challenge in the game. But Joel does save her and lie to her at the end of the game.

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Never played the game and don't know anything about the game. So regardless of how the game ends, it just felt weird as a show for it to frame Ellie, hear her response to Joel's answer to he question about what went down with the Fireflies, and then go to black and roll credits.

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Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks

 

Never played the game and don't know anything about the game. So regardless of how the game ends, it just felt weird as a show for it to frame Ellie, hear her response to Joel's answer to he question about what went down with the Fireflies, and then go to black and roll credits.

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I can't really tell you anything, why it's significant, without spoiling what's gonna happen in the second season, because judging by how close the first season is to the first game, they're going to follow the second game pretty close as well. If you go back throughout the first season and do a deep psych eval on Joel and Ellie, you can come pretty close to understanding her reaction, but beyond that, it's spoilers to junk you haven't seen yet in a second season.

It also felt kind of rushed.

Glad it wasn't brutal in the same way as last week, though. Needed something lighter after that.

Now...the moral dilemma. Did Joel do what was right? Could you have sacrificed what, in essence, became his daughter, for something that may have been a cure? They thought it would work, but there was no guarantee that killing Ellie would have resulted in coming up with a cure.

As was pointed out in Star Trek, do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Or the one?

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Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks

Now...the moral dilemma. Did Joel do what was right? Could you have sacrificed what, in essence, became his daughter, for something that may have been a cure? They thought it would work, but there was no guarantee that killing Ellie would have resulted in coming up with a cure.

As was pointed out in Star Trek, do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Or the one?

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The right thing to do would been to have sat J & E down and talked it through. No moral dilemma there...they got what they deserved. :2cents:

But of course, now Joel has made the decision for not only the entire world, but also for Ellie. That's wrong as well.

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Originally Posted by lost in melb.

The right thing to do would been to have sat J & E down and talked it through. No moral dilemma there...they got what they deserved. :2cents:

But of course, now Joel has made the decision for not only the entire world, but also for Ellie. That's wrong as well.

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But in Joel's position, what would YOU have done?

I think in the moment, I would have 100% done the same thing he did.

Also, from the look on Ellie's face at the very end after getting Joel's answer, I don't think she believed him.

Joel did what was right for Joel... and to an extent Ellie. I think if Ellie had heard the truth from the Fireflies, she probably would have considered sacrificing herself for the benefit of humanity. But Joel was acting in a selfish manner: He was empty because of the loss of his daughter, and traveling with Ellie healed his pain and opened him back up. He didn't want to lose that connection again. On the one hand, you feel for the guy, because you see his transition throughout the series, but on the other, if it was truly the right thing to do, then he wouldn't have had to lie to Ellie about what really happened.

Technically, the sin lies both with Joel and the Fireflies. Neither of them gave Ellie a choice and that's what really needed to happen. The Fireflies should have told her what was really going to happen and their real chances of success, and Joel should have let her made that decision for herself.