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    Serious discussion 2020 US Presidential Election

    This is marked SD to not go off the rails. The Iowa primary is still 10 months off, so a lot can change. I'm going to use this thread to post information on the race including polling data. This can also be the place to discuss candidates and the over re-election chances for Trump, and the potential impact of a Howard Schultz independent run. Should be a wild ride.

    RCP polling data - Dem nomination



    Notes: Biden has not declared. Buttigieg is announcing today.
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    Bernie Sanders Has Combative Moments During Fox News Town Hall

    Mike Brest - The Daily Caller


    Independent Vermont Sen. and presidential candidate Bernie Sanders had a multitude of combative moments during his Monday night town hall on Fox News.



    Sanders got snippy during a back-and-forth when the topic of his taxes came up, which coincidently occurred only a short time after he released 10 years of tax returns and it confirmed his status as a millionaire.

    MacCallum asked Sanders, “So would you be willing to pay 52% on the money that you made? You can volunteer, you can send it back.”

    “You can volunteer too…why don’t you give? You make more money than I do,” Sanders retorted.

    “I didn’t suggest a wealth tax,” MacCallum fired back, and Baier chimed in, “And she’s not running for POTUS.”

    The moderators then went to the audience for a question.

    A woman brought up socialism, read the definition of it, and asked Sanders, “How can you challenge the idea that socialism is bad in the minds of the public?”

    Sanders pointed to Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, the two Fox News anchors moderating the event, and said, “Ask them, not me.”

    Baier then asked if this is “going to be a constant thing.”

    “You ask me fair questions, I will give you fair answers,” the Democratic presidential candidate answered, before going into a diatribe about how Fox News “does not necessarily have a great deal of respect in my world.”

    Minutes later, Sanders became critical of the media as whole, suggesting that the issues individuals bring up to him are not the ones that the media covers.

    Following that criticism, Baier shot back, “We’re very grateful that you’re here,” Baier said. “We are giving you an hour of substance and talk on our airwaves. So we can get over the Fox thing. If you’re alright with that?”

    Sanders was the first declared presidential candidate to have a town hall on the network. Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz had a town hall on the network earlier this month, but he has not yet declared a formal run.

    The Vermont senator’s decision to have this event on Fox News bucks the Democratic National Committee’s decision not to allow the network to host a presidential debate. DNC Chairman Tom Perez released a statement about the DNC’s decision last month, saying that Fox News is “not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate,” citing a New Yorker report, which alleged that Fox News has become a propaganda outlet for the Trump administration.

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    Biden-Gabbard would be a very formidable ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perrhaps View Post
    Biden-Gabbard would be a very formidable ticket.
    Gabbard gets negative or no press, her consultants quit a week in, she's 38, she doesn't even show up in the polling data, and has no policy positions on her presidential website, and is under fire in her home state. Why is she "formidable"? It's confusing.

    Politico Article:
    Where in the world is Tulsi Gabbard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    Gabbard gets negative or no press, her consultants quit a week in, she's 38, she doesn't even show up in the polling data, and has no policy positions on her presidential website, and is under fire in her home state. Why is she "formidable"? It's confusing.

    Politico Article:
    Where in the world is Tulsi Gabbard?
    Yeah, Creepy Uncle Joe and the Invisible Gabbard doesn't exactly strike fear into the heart. Or evoke feelings of greatness either.

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    Neither are fiscally radical; both speak in coherent sentences; she served her country without reservation (as opposed to getting deferments for cold/flat feet). As the old saw goes, they'd play well in Peoria, not to mention the Philly 'burbs, which will be the key to winning PA. I believe they will do much better than Clinton in swaying the moderate/independent vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perrhaps View Post
    Neither are fiscally radical; both speak in coherent sentences; she served her country without reservation (as opposed to getting deferments for cold/flat feet). As the old saw goes, they'd play well in Peoria, not to mention the Philly 'burbs, which will be the key to winning PA. I believe they will do much better than Clinton in swaying the moderate/independent vote.
    I agree that a moderate ticket is the only way to win. Look smart, civil, and presidential. But I am not sure the minority of angry screeching radical leftists will allow it.
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    Mayor Pete! Even with no policy statements. Huh.

    Iowa Caucus numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    Mayor Pete! Even with no policy statements. Huh.

    Iowa Caucus numbers
    It's because right now he is the 'flavor du jour' on the democrat side. Poll numbers fluctuate wildly at this time. What sucks is we're fully more than 18 months away from the 2020 elections and it's already dominating the news cycles. I'm already tired of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    It's because right now he is the 'flavor du jour' on the democrat side. Poll numbers fluctuate wildly at this time. What sucks is we're fully more than 18 months away from the 2020 elections and it's already dominating the news cycles. I'm really excited and want more polling data!!
    Well then, here you go!

    Biden, Beto falter in new progressive straw poll

    Bernie Sanders has solidified his front-runner standing among members of the progressive political action committee Democracy for America, while Joe Biden and Beto O’Rourke have both fallen back sharply, according to the group’s latest straw poll.

    Elizabeth Warren is now running second to Sanders in the DFA poll — though she trails the independent senator from Vermont by more than 30 percentage points, according to the survey released Tuesday and obtained first by POLITICO.

    The straw poll, which is significant more as an indicator of activist support than a measure of public opinion, reflects the durability of support for Sanders and a shift in some left-flank enthusiasm for two rivals: O’Rourke, the former Texas congressman, and Biden, the former vice president who is expected to announce his 2020 presidential campaign soon.

    In DFA’s first 2020 straw poll, in December, Biden was running second to Sanders at 15 percent, followed by O’Rourke at 12 percent. By this month, Biden’s support had fallen to about 8 percent, while O’Rourke slid to about 3 percent.

    Meanwhile, Sanders drew 42 percent support, up about 6 percentage points from December. Warren saw support for her candidacy tick up to about 11 percent, according to the poll, followed by South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg at about 10 percent.

    DFA said Buttigieg likely benefitted most from waning support for O’Rourke. Among members who participated in both the DFA’s December and April polls, about 23 percent of O’Rourke’s supporters shifted their support to Buttigieg, with another 16 percent moving to Sanders and about 12 percent shifting to Warren.

    “While these new poll results show Bernie Sanders retaining and even strengthening his support among progressives, the big shifts in support for the broad field of candidate we’ve seen over the last three months make it clear that Democracy for America members are very open to changing their minds, discovering new candidates, and reevaluating potential nominees based on the campaign they run in the months ahead,” Democracy for America Chairman Charles Chamberlain said in a prepared statement.

    DFA boasts more than 1 million members, and the group was instrumental in Sanders’ unsuccessful run for president in 2016. But its membership also has strong ties to Warren, the senator from Massachusetts. Founded by Howard Dean following his run for president in 2004, DFA helped organize an aggressive, ultimately unsuccessful effort to draft Warren into the 2016 presidential campaign.

    Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg and Biden were followed in the latest straw poll by Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), at about 7 percent support. Former Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska was just behind Harris, at about 6 percent.

    DFA said members cast 94,641 votes in the poll, which ran April 1 through April 19. DFA is expected to run additional straw polls before any endorsement. The next poll will likely come after the first presidential debate this summer.

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    Interesting consolidation where Beto is losing interest, and Mayor Pete is the benefactor. That's what gets interesting, whose base is solid or fluid and where does the consolidation happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Any non-PC-ridden, non-Communist Democrat prospects??
    Andrew Yang, John Delany

    Edit: and Joe Biden, but I have no idea if he'll stay true to history or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    Andrew Yang, John Delany

    Edit: and Joe Biden, but I have no idea if he'll stay true to history or not.


    You're fully aboard that Yang train, aren't you? He's a progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post


    You're fully aboard that Yang train, aren't you? He's a progressive.
    That wasn't the question.
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