So Biden's a rapist, in addition to a traitor.
So Biden's a rapist, in addition to a traitor.
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Music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it.
FBD (10-08-2020)
Trump talked about Obama having been briefed on Crossfire Hurricane....but what he didnt talk about was that Joe was there being briefed, too
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane...projected-path
CAT5 headed straight for DC, unironically
(ignore Q's "delta storm" statement way back when, though)
Last edited by FBD; 10-07-2020 at 11:53 AM.
burisma's gonna be bad for joe
when can we get some vbookie action on this, I will bet my whole knot that a warrant for Joe's arrest in Ukraine happens before the election
the fat lady is in the green room practicing scales, gentlemen.
>Graymail is the threatened revelation of state secrets in order to manipulate legal proceedings. It is distinct from blackmail, which may include threats of revelation against, and manipulation of, any private individual. Graymail is used as a defense tactic, forcing the government to drop a case to avoid revealing national secrets.
>In the United States, the Classified Information Procedures Act of 1980, also known as the Graymail Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graymail
Last edited by FBD; 10-07-2020 at 01:28 PM.
Originally Posted by lost in melb.
Funny how the article is missing the little gem of why it was a problem for Biden to say it and why it would be a problem for Trump to say it
FBD (10-07-2020), lost in melb. (10-07-2020), Muddy (10-08-2020)
He's just a little old fashioned
he's just old, that's why they upgraded the handicap access at gitmoHe's just a little old fashioned
By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News
Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris and Vice President Mike Pence did not waste time trading fire over President Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, the idea of packing the Supreme Court and taxes as they faced off Wednesday in their first and only debate during the general election.
The two nominees were significantly more cordial than Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden were to each other in their first presidential debate, though they clashed several times throughout the night when Pence spoke over Harris. “Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking. I’m speaking,” Harris said at one point during a discussion on taxes. Pence then shot back: “It’d be important if you said the truth.”
During a spirited opening, Harris and Pence sparred over how the Trump administration has performed during the pandemic. Pointing to a national death toll from the virus that's surpassed 210,000 -- with more than 7.5 million confirmed cases -- the Democratic senator from California charged that "the American people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country."
Over the past seven months, Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has repeatedly criticized the president -- charging Trump initially downplayed the severity of the outbreak -- and claiming he botched the federal government’s response.
Harris, a former California attorney general and San Francisco district attorney, led the prosecution of Biden's case at her showdown with Pence in Salt Lake City, Utah.
She argued that "this administration has forfeited their right to re-election based on this" and argued that "they still don’t have a plan and Joe Biden does."
Pence, defending the administration, emphasized that "from the very first day, President Donald Trump’s has put the health of the American people first."
Touting the president's curtailing of nearly all airline flights incoming from China, where the pandemic originated, Pence said "that decision along by President Trump bought us invaluable time to stand up the greatest national mobilization since World War Two and I believe it saved hundreds of thousands of American lives."
The vice president, who leads the White House coronavirus task force, also took aim at Biden's coronavirus plan, saying "it reads an awful lot like what President Trump and I and our task force has been doing every step of the way."
"It looks a little bit like plagiarism, which is something Joe Biden knows a little bit about," Pence added, referring to the infamous Biden plagiarism controversy from his first White House run in 1988.
Harris shot back, saying "whatever the vice president's claiming the administration has done, clearly it hasn't worked When you're looking at over 210,00 dead bodies in our country, American lives that have been lost, families that are grieving that loss."
Responding, Pence said "there's not a day gone by that I haven't thought of every American family that's lost a loved one."
The debate – the first since the president contracted COVID-19 -- comes as Trump’s sidelined from the campaign, huddling in the White House after being hospitalized for three days at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center as he recovers from the coronavirus.
Harris and Pence sat at desks on the stage – separated not only by 12 feet but also by plexiglass – to try to minimize any potential airborne transmission of the virus. Pence and his team initially objected to the barriers, but relented hours before the debate.
Pence, defending the president's decision not to push for a national mask mandate, said "President Trump and I trust the American people to make choices in the best interests of their health and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris consistently talk about mandates."
Harris, firing back, said "you respect the American people when you tell them the truth."
And she charged the administration was standing on information and "was unwilling to speak the truth to the American people."
The pandemic has been the leading issue in the presidential race since the outbreak swept the nation in February and March. And with the president’s COVID diagnosis, the issue - as expected - dominated the start of the debate.
Harris was in the spotlight last month when she said she wouldn’t trust Trump when it comes to a coronavirus vaccine after charging he had severely politicized the quest for a vaccine. Asked by moderator Susan Page of USA Today if she’d take a vaccine approved by the administration, the senator said “if the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us to take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.”
Pence, responding, stressed that the "reality is that we’re going to have a vaccine.. in record time."
He then argued that "the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable. Senator, I just ask you, stop playing politics with people’s lives."
The two candidates also traded fire over the Supreme Court confirmation battle.
The president has nominated Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court to fill the seat vacated by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The conservative Barrett, 48, currently serves as a judge on the 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.
The passing of the 87-year old liberal justice -- who was a trailblazer and a strong advocate for gender equality and civil rights -- has sparked a fierce partisan fight. Trump and Senate Republicans are moving quickly – with the election less than six weeks away – to confirm Barrett and tilt the high court ideologically further to the right.
Pence and Harris sparred over how some of Barrett’s religious views will be central to the confirmation debate. That debate kicks off next week in the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Harris is one of the Democratic members.
“We particularly hope we don’t see the kind of attacks on her Christian faith that we saw before,” Pence said as he pointed to criticism by some Senate Democrats over Barrett’s associated with a Christian group named People of Praise
Harris pushed back, stressing “Joe Biden and I are both people of faith. And it’s insulting to suggest that we would knock anyone for their faith… and in fact, Joe, if elected, will be only the second practicing Catholic as president of the United States.”
Pence then questioned whether a Biden administration would push to add seats to the Supreme Court if Republicans successfully push through the Barrett confirmation ahead of the election.
"This is a classic case of, if you can't win by the rules, you're going to change the rules," Pence said. He then turned to his opponent and asked Harris if she and Biden are "going to pack the Supreme Court to get your way?"
Harris did not answer directly and instead urged the Senate not to push forward with Barrett’s confirmation.
"Joe and I are very clear: The American people are voting right now. And it should be their decision about who will serve on (the Supreme Court) ... for a lifetime," the senator added.
Pence fired back that "you gave a non-answer. Joe Biden gave a non-answer. The American people deserve a straight answer, and if you haven't figured it out yet, the straight answer is, they are going to pack the Supreme Court."
Biden also avoided directly answering the same question at last week’s debate – but was opposed to expanding the high court when asked during the Democratic primaries.
The candidates also battled over Beijing, with the vice president slamming Biden for being a “cheerleader for Communist China,” while saying the Trump administration, which wants to “improve” relations with Beijing, will “hold China accountable” for the novel coronavirus. And he accused Biden of “cheerleading for China.”
Harris returned fire, saying the Trump administration over the trade war with China, claiming that the U.S. lost jobs in the midst of it.
But Pence fired back.
“Lost the trade war with China? Joe Biden never fought it,” Pence stressed.
Harris used the debate to target the president for not paying enough money in taxes, and questioning who Trump might owe money to.
“We now know because of great investigative journalism that Donald Trump paid $750 in taxes,” Harris said during Wednesday night’s vice presidential debate. “When I first heard about it, I literally said, ‘You mean $750,000?’ Nope $750.”
Harris was referring to a recent report by The New York Times, who obtained information on the president’s 2016 and 2017 taxes, both of which show he paid a total of $750 in federal taxes each year.
The Times also reported that he paid no federal income taxes for ten of the 15 years prior to winning the presidency in 2016, largely due to the fact that he reported financial loses greater than his income.
“We now know Donald Trump owes, and is in debt for $400 million, and just so that everyone is clear, when we say in debt – it means you owe money to somebody,” Harris said Wednesday in answer to a question about presidential transparency.
Harris added: “And it’d be really good to know who the president of the United States, the commander-in-chief owes money to, because the American people have a right to know what is influencing the president’s decisions and is he making those decisions on the best interests of the American people….or self-interest?”
Trump has disregarded the report as “fake news” and claimed that his tax returns would be available as soon as the IRS had completed their audit.
Pence, however, highlighted the president’s dismissal of the report and said, “the American people have a president who’s a businessman, a job creator, he’s paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes – payroll taxes, property taxes, he’s created tens of thousands of American jobs.”
During a discussion on taxes, Pence claimed Harris said “on Day One, Joe Biden will raise taxes.” Harris responded with laughter: "That's not true."
In a moment that lit up social media, a fly briefly landed on Pence's head at another point during the debate.
Hours before the two candidates faced off at the University of Utah, a new Fox News national poll indicated Biden widening his advantage over the president. The survey – conducted after last week’s combative presidential debate – which appeared to do Trump no favors - and after the president was hospitalized – indicated Biden leading by 10 points, up from a 5-point advantage last month.
New polling in some of the crucial battleground states also pointed to a post-debate bounce for the former vice president.
Well, I'm almost surprised that Kamala was just about able to out-UnlikeableBitch HillaryWhat a fkn cunt!
Not mentioned, mod let Harris ramble on and on and Pence's 2 minutes was often more like a minute and fifteen, she could only carry so much water for Harris and still appear remotely impartialSummary (of the nine discussion topics):
1. COVID Response - Pence won - a body-blow slamming Kamala on vaccines: "stop playing politics with people's lives." and mentioning Biden's shitty sars response that saw more infections than covid
2. Health Of Candidates - Tie - neither candidate answered but if we had to pick, Pence shaded it as Kamala discussed herself. Pence misses opportunity to bring up Joe's dementia
3. The Economy - Pence won - the vice-president crushed Harris on Biden taxes (briefly silencing her over Trump tax cut repeal). Kamala thinks people dont understand that "repealing Trumps tax cuts on day 1" means people are getting their taxes raised and its going to take some time for them to get a bill passed that allegedly doesnt increase any taxes on those making less than 400k
4. Climate Change - Pence won - perhaps surprisingly but Harris was unable to recover from being cornered on her sponsorship of the Green New Deal Because moderator collusion is ridiculous and there's a coordinated effort from them to try and get Trump & Pence to agree that co2 is going to kill us all
5. China - Pence won - Harris facts all over the place and Pence closed with Biden's "cheerleading" for China. Kamala refused to distance herself from shady china shit and affirm that America comes before China
6. Foreign Relations - Tie - both candidates parried each other's running mate's performance Russia Russia Russia and other assorted lies were really all Kamala had
7. The Supreme Court - Pence won - Harris refused to answer the question of packing the court and Pence was frank about being "pro-life." It was frankly amusing watching her repeatedly not answer this question
8. Racial Justice - Pence won - again rather stunningly, Pence crushed Harris on misleading quotes and soundbites Harris goes from "this vote is for the supreme court" to "well let me lie and say Trump has been court packing even though he's just been filling vacancies and not increasing the numbers" like what your question was, you dumb cunt
9. Transfer Of Power - Pence won - while Harris went "vote now", Pence reminded the audience that Harris party spent the last four years trying to overturn the previous election and he actually mentioned Hillary briefing Obama on it, wow....after not going after Joe on Burisma's admission that they paid him 900k...guess he's saving that for Trump's debate
Last edited by FBD; 10-08-2020 at 12:20 PM.
Trump's now saying that he won't participate in a virtual debate.
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Music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it.
"virtual debate".. = Biden gets to read teleprompters.
DemonGeminiX (10-08-2020), Teh One Who Knocks (10-08-2020)
and mute buttons
lost in melb. (10-09-2020)
I hope anyone undecided paid close attention to Kamala last night.. If Biden wins that's your new president.. He cant make it the 4 year term.. Not in the condition he is in.
DemonGeminiX (10-08-2020), FBD (10-08-2020), Teh One Who Knocks (10-08-2020)
They've admitted that Biden was just a place holder for the VP choice.
FBD (10-08-2020)
and the news continues to spread lies
NBC = Never Believe Clowns
Last edited by FBD; 10-08-2020 at 07:59 PM.
Teh One Who Knocks (10-09-2020)
Debate Two moderator’s tweet to Trump-basher sparks widespread criticism of bias
By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News
Presidential debate moderator Steve Scully raised eyebrows on Thursday night with a tweet that is having critics question his objectivity ahead of the second matchup between President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden.
Scully, who is best known as the political editor of C-SPAN and host of "Washington Journal," sent a cryptic message that caused quite a stir on social media.
"@Scaramucci should I respond to trump," according to a tweet from his account.
That message appeared to be directed at former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, who was once a supporter of President Trump but has since joined the #Resistance and has been outspoken in favor of Biden's candidacy.
Scully, whose October 15-scheduled town hall event had been crumbling after President Trump withdrew from the now-virtual debate, sparked confusion and fury among critics, many concluding that the moderator meant to send such a message to Trump's foe privately.
"odd thing for the next debate moderator to tweet," Politico reporter Alex Thompson reacted.
"This is not going to help the idea that Scully is *in any way* an objective and unbiased journalist and moderator," NewsBusters managing Curtis Houck wrote.
"We need a different moderator at the v least. This is disqualifying," Rebeccah Heinrichs, a senior fellow at the conservative Hudson Institute, tweeted.
"It appears that our moderator for the next debate thinks he's dm'ing with Scaramucci but accidentally tweeted at him. I'm sure he'll be a fair and unbiased moderator," Daily Caller's Greg Price said.
"What? Why is the next presidential debate moderator publicly asking one of Trump’s staunchest critics in Anthony Scaramucci if he should respond to the president? In a related story, Scully once interned for Sen. Joe Biden. Optics here are horrible & underscore mistrust is media," The Hill media reporter Joe Concha tweeted.
Scaramucci seemed to offer him advice on how to deal with the president.
"Ignore. He is having a hard enough time. Some more bad stuff about to go down."
Responding to both Scully and Scaramucci's tweets, White House deputy communications director Brian Morgenstern told "Fox News @ Night" anchor Shannon Bream that "if anybody is having a bad week, it's certainly the presidential debate commission."
"Now their chosen moderator certainly seems not to be very impartial," Morgenstern told Bream. "The first one. Susan Page, of course, is writing the glowing biography of Speaker Pelosi and now Mr. Scully, who interned for Joe Biden, now colluding to use the word the Democrats love with the Mooche, who, you know, I love The Mooche, but he's gone way off the deep end. He is a wild-eyed critic of the president at this point. And now to have a debate moderator seeking his advice. I think the cat's out of the bag. I don't think Mr. Scully is impartial. So that really calls into question, again, the debate commission's judgment here."
Neither the Commission on Presidential Debates nor C-SPAN immediately responded to Fox News' requests for comment.
Scully's credibility as an unbiased debate moderator was previously questioned after it became known that he previously served as an intern for then-Senator Biden and served as a staffer for the late Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy.
Another tweet of Scully's from the 2016 election showed him sharing a New York Times op-ed titled, "No, Not Trump, Not Ever."
Trump pulled out of the Scully-moderated debate after the Commission on Presidential Debates unilaterally announced that it would be turning the Miami town hall into a virtual event as the president continues his recovery from the coronavirus.
Biden subsequently withdrew from the debate and has since already scheduled an ABC News town hall scheduled for the night that the debate was supposed to take place.
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