J.J. Abrams Defends ‘The Last Jedi’: It ‘Didn’t Derail Anything’

[Hal-9000]

Just 10?

I remember you guys made posts in the movie thread and I watched it much later and didn't go back to see your complaints.

I listen to a podcaster (same guy who writes for The Hollywood Reporter and does the Game of Thrones coverage) and he is a huge nerd. He knows every pop culture reference from comic books to movies to novels. Unfortunately he often cross-references characters during a comparison and spoils movies. eg That was like the time ____fought Kylo Ren and died.

He pissed me off so much that I had to watch Jedi to avoid further spoilers as I listen to a lot of his stuff.

All that said, I can't even remember now all of my issues with the movie and that's a bad sign. I can remember conversations from 20 years ago

[DemonGeminiX]

I think I said that wrong.

[Hal-9000]

Hey man they lost me at midichlorians or midi-chlorians or whatever (wtf, are they digital synthesizers ffs?).

I'd like to think the force is within only certain people for mystical reasons, not a disease

When you compare Luke to Anakin as you mentioned, the differences are apparent. Luke needed a personal trainer, Anakin was more of a natural (at crying and pouting).

[DemonGeminiX]

I remember you guys made posts in the movie thread and I watched it much later and didn't go back to see your complaints.

I listen to a podcaster (same guy who writes for The Hollywood Reporter and does the Game of Thrones coverage) and he is a huge nerd. He knows every pop culture reference from comic books to movies to novels. Unfortunately he often cross-references characters during a comparison and spoils movies. eg That was like the time ____fought Kylo Ren and died.

He pissed me off so much that I had to watch Jedi to avoid further spoilers as I listen to a lot of his stuff.

All that said, I can't even remember now all of my issues with the movie and that's a bad sign. I can remember conversations from 20 years ago

Rose was a problem in and of herself. The assault with the bombers in the beginning was stupid. The whole side mission with Finn and Rose that took up half of the movie and amounted to nothing. Leia-Mary-Poppins. Snoke being a big fat nothing and never finding out where the hell he came from. Rey and Kylo fending off all of the guards on their own. Rey lifting the rocks without any specific lengthy training from Luke. Luke joining the Force/dying the way he did. The whole Luke/Kylo backstory... that totally wasn't Luke at all. And that's just a few things.

Basically, the entire movie was wrong. Both of them were. The writers just don't get Star Wars. Even Lucas said, "That's not what I would have done", when asked for his opinion on them.

If the final installment turns this trilogy into an adaptation of Dark Empire, and Rey is a clone of Anakin or Luke (preferably Anakin, because he was way more powerful), then while I'll still have issues with it, I'll forgive them for some things.

[Hal-9000]

Rose was a problem in and of herself. The assault with the bombers in the beginning was stupid. The whole side mission with Finn and Rose that took up half of the movie and amounted to nothing. Leia-Mary-Poppins. Snoke being a big fat nothing and never finding out where the hell he came from. Rey and Kylo fending off all of the guards on their own. Rey lifting the rocks without any specific lengthy training from Luke. Luke joining the Force/dying the way he did. The whole Luke/Kylo backstory... that totally wasn't Luke at all. And that's just a few things.

Basically, the entire movie was wrong. Both of them were. The writers just don't get Star Wars. Even Lucas said, "That's not what I would have done", when asked for his opinion on them.

If the final installment turns this trilogy into an adaptation of Dark Empire, and Rey is a clone of Anakin or Luke (preferably Anakin, because he was way more powerful), then while I'll still have issues with it, I'll forgive them for some things.

Agreeing with a lot here. The character of Finn in itself was such a cool idea. I liked the idea of a stormtrooper who defected and wasn't perfect at everything. I also like the actor and how he handled the role.

But here's an example of poor writing that you brought up. Half of the movie with Finn and Rose that amounted to nothing. I forgot her character entirely and that they had even interacted. And that's not a good sign

I have another hot take that not many people agree with. I don't like the actor who plays Kylo Ren (Driver) and think he was close to Hayden Christensen during his first few scenes. For such a supposed badass and important character to this trilogy, I found Driver wimpy and pouty at times, with no real sense of menace.

And didn't Jedi have that extended attempted comedy scene when Po was talking to the Opie-looking red haired bad guy on the big ship? Speaking of which the red haired guy was about as scary as the Giant Snoke Puppet.

[DemonGeminiX]

Yeah, a badass dark side force user (cause he's not a Sith) as an Emo-bitch wasn't a really great idea.

Oh yeah, at the start. Big fucking waste of time and really not that amusing. They should have just shot Po's ass out of space. Oh our enemy's best pilot's in a small fighter sitting right in front of the entire fleet? Ok, let's just let him sit there and... talk.

[Hal-9000]

Ahhh Lord Emo-Bitch, we meet again

[PorkChopSandwiches]

I didnt care for that movie

[Hal-9000]

I didnt care for that movie

In one of the prequels there was a scene with Obi-Wan and Anakin flying through a huge group of ships and some alien robots were attaching themselves to their ships.

An effects guy froze the scene and said there were over 1050 CG effects within 180 seconds of screen time and those moments cost upwards of 10 million to create.

Most of the scenes flew by at an average of 2.5 seconds per shot. And for the most part no human could ever take in that much information at once and process it.

All that to say the original movie used actual models and a decidedly scaled down camera system with a rudimentary computer to film things like the iconic trench run and opening sequence with the huge ship flying across the camera view.

And people still herald that simplistic plot and effects as being better than most or all of the prequels

[Muddy]

I didnt care for that movie

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I'm so glad I haven't seen any of the new trilogy yet

[Hal-9000]

I'm so glad I haven't seen any of the new trilogy yet

What did you think of the prequels with whiny Anakin and Jar Jar Stinks?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

What did you think of the prequels with whiny Anakin and Jar Jar Stinks?

I watched all three of those abominations.

[Hal-9000]

I thought Ewan as Obi Wan and Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon were excellent choices.

Everything that happened to them and every other minute of the series sucked Jabba's wet ass

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I thought Ewan as Obi Wan and Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon were excellent choices.

Everything that happened to them and every other minute of the series sucked Jabba's wet ass