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    Is the coronavirus disease more severe than the flu?
    COVID-19 causes more severe disease than seasonal influenza.

    While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

    Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

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    Victorian coronavirus stay-at-home orders reimposed across Melbourne hotspot suburbs.

    Victoria will reimpose stage three restrictions on 10 postcodes across Melbourne until at least July 29 in a bid to contain an "unacceptably high" number of new cases detected in the past few days.
    I'm literally touching two of these suburbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    I'm literally touching two of these suburbs.
    Keep your hands to yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    Keep your hands to yourself?


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    What would these medical people know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    Honestly... I would have thought that wearing a face mask if you are well is still a way to help prevent you contracting the virus and if you are unwell, a way to help stop the spread.

    If someone with the disease is nearby and sneezes or coughs, wouldn't wearing a mask help in NOT breathing in any airborne contaminants?

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    No. Your question has been answered by myself and others. You just refuse to accept the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinD View Post
    No. Your question has been answered by myself and others. You just refuse to accept the answer.

    https://fox6now.com/2020/06/30/docto...rom-spreading/


    Kev I'm not trying to be combative but you do seem quite confident. What do you make of stuff like this?

    I think there's also some strong evidence that countries that imposed mask rules early have fared better too. It doesn't protect you, but similar in some ways to herd immunity, if everyone buys in, it seems to impact the collective good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    Keep your hands to yourself?
    Ok


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    Mainstream Media Go All In With ‘Panic Porn’ Over COVID-19

    By Joseph Curl - The Daily Wire


    Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson has a perfect name for the mainstream media’s coverage of COVID-19: “Panic Porn.”

    Take this headline: “COVID-19 hospitalizations in Texas hit another record Monday.” “Hospitalizations of patients with the novel coronavirus in Texas reached an all-time high Monday after breaking records for nearly every day the previous two weeks,” read the lead of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram piece from Monday.

    The paper wasn’t alone. The MSM have pumped out story after story about hospitals — and especially intensive care units — becoming jammed with COVID-19 patients. And the reports from early on in the pandemic have returned: Hospitals will soon become overrun with critically ill patients.

    But are those “facts”? Are the reports complete? Do they take into account all factors that may be contributing to both the rise in positive tests and the reason for hospitalizations? And what about the rising number of positive tests for the virus? What’s causing that? Are we even dealing with “facts”?

    Berenson, who has been a shining beacon in the world of shoddy and biased reporting, says no. And he does something few MSM outlets do any more: He provides facts.

    On Monday, Berenson quoted messages he’d received from J.B. Neiman, a managing partner and general counsel of a Texas-based health care company that owns 13 free-standing clinics, who got in touch because he “wants people to hear his story as opposed to the mainstream media.”

    Here’s what Neiman said:

    “In June, we tested over 2,231 patients (data through last Thursday). Positive rate is now close to 20% (was 4-6% in May). Vast majority of the cases are mild to very mild symptoms. Average age of the people getting tested in mid-30s.

    “Very different patient (in terms of age) than we’ve seen before June. Most of these patients would not have met criteria that we previously had (and all the health facilities had) for Covid testing. Now with more testing kits we are able to test a broader group of patients.

    “Clinically, we’ve had very few hospital transfers because of Covid. Vast majority of the patients are better within 2-3 days of the visit and most would be described as having a cold (a mild one at that) or the symptoms related to allergies. We’ve often provided a steroid shot and some antibiotics. By the time we have follow-up calls, most of the patients are no longer experiencing any symptoms. They often say the shot really made a difference.

    “In terms of what is driving them to the ER — Roughly 1/2 have been told by their employers to get a test. They have a sneeze or a cough and their employer tells them to go get tested. The other 1/2 just want to know. They have mild symptoms (and some don’t have any symptoms but game the system and check a box that they have a symptom so they can get a test — they cannot get a test unless they present with symptoms. If they have no symptoms we send them away — which does happen.)

    He continued:

    “The average length of stay of Covid patients is 3-5 days. Much lower than the patients being seen in April and early May. Their symptoms are also milder. Most of the patients are not ending up in the ICU. The hospital ICUs are filled with really sick people with non-Covid issues. They [didn’t] come in earlier because they were scared and now they are super sick. From multiple sources at different hospitals — they have plenty of capacity and no shortage of acute care beds.

    “No real data on breakdown of patients who have Covid but are not in the hospital because of Covid. Recognition that because all patients are tested for Covid you have some percentage of patients listed as Covid patients who are non Covid symptomatic and that the hospitalization rate is somewhat driven by hospitals taking their normal patients with other medical issues.

    “Finally, heard several stories of how discharge planners are being pressured to put Covid as primary diagnosis — as that pays significantly better. Hospitals want to avoid the discussion but if they don’t they risk another shutdown. This may be an explanation for why there is a gap in hospital executives saying they have plenty of capacity and the increasing number of Covid hospitalizations. You open up your hospitals for normal medical care and you test everyone of those patients — the result is higher percentage of patients who have Covid — now.”

    Then Neiman summed it all up:

    “Overall, based on what we are seeing at our facilities, the above information is really a positive story. You have more people testing positive with really minimal symptoms. This means that the fatality rate is less than commonly reported,” he said.

    The more you know, amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Placid;971704[U
    ]Honestly... I would have thought that wearing a face mask if you are well is still a way to help prevent you contracting the virus [/U]and if you are unwell, a way to help stop the spread.

    If someone with the disease is nearby and sneezes or coughs, wouldn't wearing a mask help in NOT breathing in any airborne contaminants?
    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post

    https://fox6now.com/2020/06/30/docto...rom-spreading/


    Kev I'm not trying to be combative but you do seem quite confident. What do you make of stuff like this?

    I think there's also some strong evidence that countries that imposed mask rules early have fared better too. It doesn't protect you, but similar in some ways to herd immunity, if everyone buys in, it seems to impact the collective good.
    GF, you've proved my point. See where I've underlined in Placids post. This is what I strongly disagree with. I am healthy. Why should I be forced to wear a mask?
    Theres also the whole personal responsibility thing. If you are sick, do you normally go out in public? I dont. I send my wife, daughter or coworkers to the store if I need something.
    What do you all do?
    Again the reason I am (admittedly) infuriated over the mask thing is I dont see that it help much, if at all, and I absolutely disagree that it's the government (whether city, county, state or federal) right to impose this on us. If you were old enough and a US citizen, I'd ask you to remember how the federal government forced seatbelt laws on all of us. Granted, i DO believe in seatbelts, and they do save lives, but, it's not in the purview of government to save me from myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post

    https://fox6now.com/2020/06/30/docto...rom-spreading/


    Kev I'm not trying to be combative but you do seem quite confident. What do you make of stuff like this?

    I think there's also some strong evidence that countries that imposed mask rules early have fared better too. It doesn't protect you, but similar in some ways to herd immunity, if everyone buys in, it seems to impact the collective good.


    Funny, those petri dishes don't look like they are 6 feet away from his face. Shouldn't they be 6 feet away to do the experiment since that's how far people are supposed to be away from each other in public? Otherwise the experiment might as well just be "here's how much contamination there is when I drool directly into the petri dish". Not to mention the fact, that if someone is that close to me and they appear that they are going to sneeze or cough, I don't believe I will just stand there a foot away and let them do it right in my face. Even without an infectious disease about, rarely, if ever, am I even that close to someone while they are talking to me. I absolutely abhor "close talkers".

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