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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony View Post
    Saw some reports that ONE mortuary in Wuhan was shipped 5000 urns over two days. There are 7 mortuaries in Wuhan total. They are guessing that once you subtract the average number of deaths, the Virus deaths may be near 28,000.
    Seems about right, i would say you could happily add a zero to the end of the Chinese figures, both for infections and deaths,
    They did however do a very aggressive lockdown when they moved, they welded apartment blocks doors closed etc, and still haven't fully released people in that region, so it appears they did manage to contain it within one region quite well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikari Kisugi View Post
    Seems about right, i would say you could happily add a zero to the end of the Chinese figures, both for infections and deaths,
    They did however do a very aggressive lockdown when they moved, they welded apartment blocks doors closed etc, and still haven't fully released people in that region, so it appears they did manage to contain it within one region quite well.
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    TL: DR Cruise ships fly under the flag of the Bahamas to avoid taxes. U.S. Coast Guard tells them to go to the Bahamas for medical help with coronavirus cases.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...m_term=nprnews


    If we bail out these cruise ship companies that avoid taxes by registering in other countries... it will be simultaneously disgusting, and not shocking at all

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    Lots of US and UK citizen on the Zaandam, not convinced it is their fault where the ship is registered.

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    Update Daily deaths top 1,000, pushing national coronavirus toll over 5K, as more states go into lockdown

    By Dom Calicchio | Fox News




    Grim news of coronavirus infections and fatalities continued in the U.S. on Wednesday, with the number of confirmed cases rising above 200,000 and the number of deaths surpassing 5,000.

    The fatalities for Wednesday alone topped 1,000 -- a one-day toll more than double that usually recorded for lung cancer and influenza combined, USA Today reported. Some researchers predicted U.S. coronavirus deaths could surpass 2,000 per day by mid-April, exceeding daily deaths attributed to heart disease, the report said.

    Amid the climbing numbers, five more states – Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Nevada and Pennsylvania – added or expanded stay-at-home orders, while Michigan proposed a 70-day extension of an emergency declaration that had been set to expire April 7.

    “Now is the crunch time for us to lessen the peak, to make the bullseye smaller so we don't overrun our health care system,” Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp said, according to FOX 5 of Atlanta. He added that the next three weeks were critical for Georgia and that residents needed to “hunker down.”

    In Missouri, Republican Gov. Mike Parson remained among the dwindling number of governors to resist issuing a stay-at-home order in the absence of a federally mandated policy, the Kansas City Star reported.

    “Right now there’s still 95 counties in this state that has less than five cases of coronavirus in it,” Parson said Tuesday, according to the Star. “The majority, 75 of them, has one or two. I have to take all that into consideration as I make decisions on how it affects the economy and how it will affect those areas.”

    President Trump has insisted that states should be free to determine for themselves which safety measures to implement, citing disparities in how the states have been affected by the outbreak.

    “There are some states that are different,” Trump told reporters Wednesday, according to The Associated Press. “There are some states that don’t have much of a problem.”



    Not even second-place New Jersey, with more than 22,000 confirmed cases of the virus, came close to approaching first-place New York, which continued to lead the nation with nearly 84,000 cases. New Jersey also trailed far behind New York in deaths, with 355 compared to more than 2,200.

    Nevertheless, all 50 states were grappling with a situation that members of the president’s Coronavirus Task Force confirmed this week would get far worse before it gets better, with the deaths of 100,000 to 240,000 Americans expected in the weeks ahead despite the varying intervention measures.

    Still, other governors in states without officially declared stay-at-home orders said they remained convinced such moves were not necessary in their states.

    In Nebraska, Republican Gov. Pete Ricketts has said he’s been relying on advice from public health experts at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, which has dealt with previous outbreaks and provided quarantine space for Ebola patients.

    But Ricketts has ordered restaurants either to close their dining areas or allow no more than 10 people inside at once, depending on their location in the state, according to the AP.

    He also said Wednesday that Nebraska’s schools would remain closed through May 31, the Lincoln Journal Star reported.

    In Iowa, Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds also has held off from mandating that residents shelter in place order, claiming the data she sees doesn’t justify it.

    But Reynolds hinted Wednesday she may extend the closures of businesses and schools in the state on Thursday, the Des Moines Register reported.

    South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, another Republican, said the infection rate has slowed in her state with only voluntary safety measures in place, the AP reported.

    “South Dakota is not New York City,” Noem told reporters Wednesday, according to the Argus Leader of Sioux Falls. “The calls to apply a one-size-fits-all approach is herd mentality, it’s not leadership.”

    Even in a time of crisis, Americans’ personal freedoms were paramount, she added.

    “The people themselves are primarily responsible for their safety," Noem said. "They are the ones that are entrusted with expansive freedoms. They're free to exercise their rights to work, to worship, and to play. Or to even stay at home, or to conduct social distancing.”

    In Texas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has imposed restrictions that doctors and even his critics say are equivalent to stay-at-home orders but he refuses to use that description.

    “This is not a stay-at-home strategy. A stay-at-home strategy would mean that you have to stay home," Abbott said. “This is a standard based upon essential services and essential activities.”

    While the policy debates continued, the rising numbers were undeniable in some of the nation’s emerging hotspots beyond New York and New Jersey.

    Louisiana reported more than 6,400 cases of the virus as of Wednesday afternoon, with 273 deaths, according to FOX 8 in New Orleans.

    Michigan reported more than 9,300 cases and 337 deaths, according to The Detroit News.

    In Illinois, the number of cases reached more than 6,900 with 141 deaths, Chicago’s FOX 32 reported.

    The daily U.S. death toll from coronavirus is unlikely to drop back below 100 before June 11, a University of Washington study predicts, according to USA Today.

    The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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    Zounds Top Japanese Official: Rename W.H.O. To ‘China Health Organization,’ Use ‘Wuhan Virus’

    By Ryan Saavedra - The Daily Wire




    Taro Aso, who serves as Japan’s Deputy Prime Minister, blasted the World Health Organization (W.H.O.) for its soft stance toward communist China amid the outbreak of the coronavirus, saying that the organization should be renamed as the “China Health Organization.”

    “Although the details are murky, the W.H.O.’s previous director-general was a Chinese national and at the time there were complaints all around, and now at least the petition has gathered 300,000 signatures or rather 500,000 signatures,” Aso said, according to Formosa TV. “People think the World Health Organization should change its name. It shouldn’t be called the W.H.O., it should be renamed the C.H.O., this appeal is truly resonating with the people.”

    “Early on, if the W.H.O. had not insisted to the world that China had no pneumonia epidemic, then everybody would have taken precautions,” Aso continued. “The W.H.O., which is a global organization, does not even include Taiwan, and then precisely because Taiwan is not a member of the W.H.O., it becomes a world leader in fighting the epidemic. Then after that statement is made, the CCP jumps out to correct it, it says Taiwan is a region not a country.”

    The publication also noted that Aso has repeatedly referred to the virus as the “Wuhan virus,” which has been documented in Japanese newspapers.

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    South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, another Republican, said the infection rate has slowed in her state with only voluntary safety measures in place, the AP reported.

    “South Dakota is not New York City,” Noem told reporters Wednesday, according to the Argus Leader of Sioux Falls. “The calls to apply a one-size-fits-all approach is herd mentality, it’s not leadership.”

    Even in a time of crisis, Americans’ personal freedoms were paramount, she added.

    “The people themselves are primarily responsible for their safety," Noem said. "They are the ones that are entrusted with expansive freedoms. They're free to exercise their rights to work, to worship, and to play. Or to even stay at home, or to conduct social distancing.”
    How many times have I heard that before? If people start dying those directives will come, trust me

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    How many times have I heard that before? If people start dying those directives will come, trust me


    Have you ever been to South Dakota? They and North Dakota have been social distancing by default since before they became states. They're not exactly densely populated. Wide... open... spaces...


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    WHy at all the government briefing are they still standing shoulder to shoulder, like when that relief bill was signed and Trump started handing our commemorative pens, utter madness.

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    Why do you have a problem with them standing shoulder to shoulder at press meetings?


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    Is it not the worst sort of signal to be sending when people should be social distancing?
    Our conferences are now by remote, the questions through videocalls, and the speakers at lecterns at significant spacing.

    Assume everyone is infectious, keep the distance, stop the spread.
    I suppose your systems are different for this. Every countries are, but leading by example and handing out pens was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen in a public health crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikari Kisugi View Post
    Is it not the worst sort of signal to be sending when people should be social distancing?
    Our conferences are now by remote, the questions through videocalls, and the speakers at lecterns at significant spacing.

    Assume everyone is infectious, keep the distance, stop the spread.
    I suppose your systems are different for this. Every countries are, but leading by example and handing out pens was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen in a public health crisis.
    They've all been tested. They've all come up negative. It's public knowledge.


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    AH maybe they have rapid diagnosis kits which can give swift results and repeat the tests every day.

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    After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus

    By Gregg Re | Fox News




    After repeatedly mocking President Trump for suggesting on March 19 that hydroxychloroquine could be an effective treatment for coronavirus, media organizations have begun acknowledging that the drug -- now approved for emergency use to treat coronavirus by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) -- may be useful after all.

    Journalists and top Democrats have beaten a similarly hasty retreat from their previous claims that Trump's ban on travel from China was both xenophobic and ineffective. But media outlets' misinformation on hydroxychloroquine was unique because it involved not simply policy disagreements but also suggestive medical advice and directives that could have dissuaded some from seeking certain treatments.

    "Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study," The New York Times reported this week, adding: "A group of moderately ill people were given hydroxychloroquine, which appeared to ease their symptoms quickly, but more research is needed."

    Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, went from threatening doctors who prescribed the drug with "administrative action" to requesting that the federal government ship her state some. Other state leaders have followed suit, including Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak, also a Democrat.

    It wasn't always considered acceptable to use that kind of optimistic rhetoric, however.

    "Trump peddles unsubstantiated hope in dark times," read a March 20 "analysis" by CNN's Stephen Collinson. Saying Trump was "adopting the audacity of false hope" and embracing "premature optimism," Collinson charged that "there's no doubt he overhyped the immediate prospects for the drug" because the FDA refused to give a timeline on approving the drug to treat coronavirus.

    "Trump is giving people false hope of coronavirus cures. It’s all snake oil," read one Washington Post headline. Added the Post's editorial board: "Trump is spreading false hope for a virus cure -- and that’s not the only damage."

    "The most promising answer to the pandemic will be a vaccine, and researchers are racing to develop one," the paper insisted, although it is not staffed with medical experts. "Mr. Trump’s inappropriate hype has already led to hoarding of hydroxychloroquine and diverted supplies from people with other maladies who need it. His comments are raising false hopes. Rather than roll the dice on an unproven therapy, let’s deposit our trust in the scientists."

    USA Today's editorial board was similarly aggressive and mocking, writing, "Coronavirus treatment: Dr. Donald Trump peddles snake oil and false hope."

    "There are no approved therapies or drugs to treat COVID-19 yet, but the president hypes preliminary chloroquine trials at White House briefing and unproven remedies on Twitter," the paper wrote, just days before the FDA would approve the drug.

    Communications strategist Drew Holden flagged these and numerous other examples of media misinformation on the matter in a lengthy Twitter thread.

    Salon, Holden noted, called Trump's hope in the new treatment his "most dangerous flim-flam: False hope and quack advice."



    The New Yorker pondered "The Meaning of Donald Trump’s Coronavirus Quackery," observing that Trump's "pronouncements are a reminder, if one was needed, of his scorn for rigorous science, even amid the worst pandemic to hit the U.S. in a century."

    Michael Cohen, a Boston Globe columnist, urged networks to stop airing Trump's coronavirus press briefings because he was spreading "misinformation" about a potential cure.

    And, NBC News complained, "Trump, promoting unproven drug treatments, insults NBC reporter at coronavirus briefing."

    The New York Times' Kurt Eichenwald reported that a "Louisiana MD" on the "front lines of the COVID-19 fight" had told him that "Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work" and that "amateurs who dont [sic] understand research" were driving up demand for the drug. ("Count me skeptical of your source here, Kurt," Holden wrote.)

    Vox mocked Trump's "new favorite treatment" for the drug, and said the evidence is "lacking" that it works.

    Meanwhile, it has emerged that the Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a Trump supporter -- despite news reports that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.

    The 61-year-old woman, whose first name is Wanda but has asked for her full identity to be withheld, survived the ordeal. Her 68-year-old husband, Gary, did not. Wanda has said that she and her husband each took a "teaspoon" of the fish-tank cleaner; medical toxicology results and a police investigation were pending.

    "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'" Wanda told NBC News, referring to the chloroquine phosphate in her fish-tank cleaner.

    On March 19, Trump had touted anecdotal evidence that the antimalarial drug chloroquine could be used as a treatment for coronavirus during a White House briefing, calling it a possible "game-changer." In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has approved the drug on an emergency basis, even though various media reports had mocked Trump's suggestion.



    However, the woman and her husband ingested the additive chloroquine phosphate, which has been used in aquariums to kill microscopic organisms that might harm fish and other aquatic animals.

    Several media organizations that confused the chloroquine medication with chloroquine phosphate later issued corrections. The New York Times, though, all but accused Trump of recommending the same substance in the fish-tank cleaner.

    Nevertheless, Wanda drew national attention by claiming that Trump had suggested she consume the fish-tank cleaner with her husband, and that she did so to avoid "getting sick."

    "My advice is don’t believe anything that the president says and his people because they don’t know what they’re talking about," Wanda told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard.

    Federal Election Commission (FEC) records reviewed by The Washington Free Beacon revealed numerous other recipients of Wanda's cash, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the pro-choice EMILY's List.

    Additionally, Fox News has reviewed a Facebook page apparently belonging to Wanda, which was first identified by the Twitter user Techno Fog.

    "Your psycho prez is in [t]own, are you going to see him?" Wanda wrote on Facebook on Feb. 19, by way of wishing a friend a happy birthday. Trump was in town at a rally in Phoenix, Ariz., on that day.

    Wanda has not replied to multiple requests for comment by Fox News. She deleted her Facebook page after Fox News attempted to contact her there.

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