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I would think we wouldn't accept their help either.
Yeah, but we're more advanced in medical emergency response than they are. We wouldn't need their help.
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Are we? They manage over 1.4 billion people in that country..
If they're on par with us, then it's only because we gave them the tech. 30 years ago, they weren't jack shit compared to us.
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I think I'd rather be sick/injured in the United States versus China
DemonGeminiX (01-28-2020)
China’s Health Care Crisis: Lines Before Dawn, Violence and ‘No Trust’ via The New York Times
Agreed, because of many factors.. That place is like a petri dish..I think I'd rather be sick/injured in the United States versus China
They seem to be passionate about their work
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Xiaoliang
Ann ArborOct. 1, 2018
As someone worked in healthcare industries in both countries for last 15 years, I feel compelled to express my opinion.
First of all, given the input of Chinese healthcare system, less than 5% of China GDP, Chinese healthcare system is one of most efficient system in the world. The life expectancy of China is on par with OECD countries. But due to the economic success, China is the victim of her own success, people live longer and demand better healthcare as any other nation. The current healthcare system is unable to keep up with the demand.
Secondly, healthcare sector is dominated by public hospitals. Local government is sole payer of all medical expenses. without market competition, the system is very inefficient.
Thirdly, there is no "Gate keeper". Any patient can go to the best hospital to get treatment of any illness. This is a huge waste of resources. Big cities, like Shanghai and Beijing, are trying to enforce referral system with limited success.
The ultimate solution has to come from opening up of healthcare system, allowing private hospitals and private insurance companies to compete with state controlled institutions.
Corruption is a symptom, rather than the root cause. Chinese doctors and nurses are vastly underpaid. Their workload is 5~10 times of their counterparts in the West.
There is no silver bullet for the problem. However the trends do point to the right direction.
Hong Kong restricted travel from China... we're not though. I honestly think a lot of our politicians are afraid to call for it out of fears of being labeled xenophobic. Wouldn't be an issue if this originated in a white country would it? A virus is a virus morons.
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Cases of new virus in China top its total for SARS
The Associated Press
A Japanese chartered plane carrying evacuees from Wuhan, China, landed at Haneda international airport in Tokyo Wednesday, Jan. 29, 2020, in Tokyo.
BEIJING (AP) — China, with 5,974 cases of a new virus, has more infections than it did in with SARS, though the death toll is still lower. China had 5,327 cases of SARS in the 2002-2003 outbreak.
China reported another large jump in cases Wednesday and a rise in the death toll to 132. That compares to 348 people killed in China during SARS. Severe acute respiratory syndrome killed nearly 800 people worldwide.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story is below:
Countries began evacuating their citizens Wednesday from the Chinese city hardest-hit by an outbreak of a new virus that has killed 132 people and infected more than 6,000 on the mainland and abroad.
A Japanese flight carrying evacuees home included four people with coughs and fevers, two of whom were diagnosed with pneumonia. The three men and one woman were taken to a Tokyo hospital in separate ambulances for treatment and further medical checks. Another woman developed nausea at the airport and was also hospitalized.
It wasn’t immediately known whether they were infected with the new type of coronavirus that appeared in the central city of Wuhan in December. Its symptoms, including cough and fever and in severe cases pneumonia, are similar to many other illnesses.
Where the virus has spread
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses, some of which cause the common cold. Others have evolved into more severe illnesses, such as SARS and MERS, though so far the new virus does not appear to be nearly as deadly.
China’s latest figures cover the previous 24 hours and add 26 to the number of deaths, 25 of which were in the central province of Hubei and its capital, Wuhan. The 5,974 cases on the mainland marked a rise of 1,459 from the previous day, although that rise is a smaller increase than the 1,771 new cases reported on Monday. Dozens of infections have been confirmed abroad as well.
The United Arab Emirates, home to long-haul carriers Emirates and Etihad, confirmed its first cases on Wednesday in members of a family who had come from Wuhan, the state-run news agency reported. It wasn’t immediately clear how many family members were involved.
British Airways announced it was immediately suspending all flights to and from mainland China after the U.K. government warned against unnecessary travel to the country. BA said in a statement Wednesday that “we apologize to customers for the inconvenience, but the safety of our customers and crew is always our priority.” The airline operates daily flights from London’s Heathrow Airport to Shanghai and Beijing.
The outbreak has also affected international sporting events, with the International Hockey Federation postponing Pro League games in China and qualifiers for the Tokyo Olympics scheduled in February in soccer, basketball and boxing being moved outside of the country. With just 177 days before the summer Games, Tokyo organizers are on edge over the outbreak’s possible knock-on effects.
In Australia, health officials said the Chinese women’s national soccer team was quarantined in the city of Brisbane over concerns it had passed through Wuhan a week ago.
The team will be kept in isolation in a hotel until Wednesday next week. None of the group of 32 players and staff have shown symptoms.
Chartered planes carrying evacuees home to Japan and the United States left Wuhan early Wednesday as other countries planned similar evacuations from areas China has shut down to try to contain the virus. The lockdown of 17 cities has trapped more than 50 million people in the most far-reaching disease control measures ever imposed.
A plane carrying Americans who had been in Wuhan left for Anchorage, Alaska, where they will be re-screened for the virus. U.S. hospitals are prepared to treat or quarantine people who may be infected. After departing Alaska, the plane is to fly to Ontario, California.
At the Tokyo airport, Takeo Aoyama, an employee at Nippon Steel Corp.’s subsidiary in Wuhan, told reporters he was relieved to be able to return home.
“We were feeling increasingly uneasy as the situation developed so rapidly and we were still in the city,” Aoyama said, his voice muffled by a white surgical mask.
Tokyo Metropolitan Government confirmed the condition of the four ill passengers after the flight of 206 Japanese evacuees arrived. They were taken in separate ambulances to a Tokyo hospital for treatment and further health checks.
All of the passengers had their temperatures checked before boarding and on the plane, and plans had been made for all of the evacuees to be treated and quarantined depending on their test results.
Among those remaining in Wuhan was Sara Platto, an Italian animal behavior researcher and veterinarian, and her son, Matteo.
“My son turned 12 on January 23, the first day of the lockdown in Wuhan. So he couldn’t invite his friends over. We had a remote birthday celebration, with people ‘visiting’ him over Wechat,” Platto said, referring to China’s Twitter-like messaging app. “We called it the epidemic birthday.”
Platto said there were 25 Italians stuck in Wuhan, some students, some very young, who stay in touch online for material and emotional support. She has used her scientific background to offer advice and debunk sensational false news, reminding friends to wash their hands and faces often.
As much as panic, people spending most of their times indoors have to deal with boredom.
Matteo usually has a very busy agenda between his school, sports, and volunteer work, but now “it’s like suddenly everything has slowed down,” Platto said. As with other international schools, classes are moving online until the all-clear is sounded.
“We have most of what we need for now. I think it’s a serious situation, but we are not in zombie land,” she said.
Several countries have confirmed cases of the virus, with most of them being Chinese visitors, people who visited Wuhan or family members in close contact to the sick. Japan’s six confirmed cases include a tour bus driver who drove visiting groups from Wuhan. Germany says four workers at an auto parts company possibly were infected when a colleague from Shanghai visited.
Australia and New Zealand were the latest countries planning evacuations. Both countries also stepped up their travel advice to China, as did Britain. Experts have feared travel during the Lunar New Year holiday would enable the further spread of the virus, and China expanded the holiday to keep people home, closing schools and offices to try to contain it.
Hong Kong’s leader said the territory will cut all rail links to the mainland and halve the number of flights. Mongolia and North Korea were closing their borders with China, and many places have curtailed flights or are screening travelers arriving from China.
Wuhan is building two hospitals in a matter of days to add 2,500 beds for treatment of patients with the virus.
The new virus is from the coronavirus family, which includes those that can cause the common cold as well as more serious illnesses such as SARS and MERS.
The source of the virus and the full extent of its spread are still unknown. However, the World Health Organization said most cases reported to date “have been milder, with around 20% of those infected experiencing severe illness.”
On Tuesday, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus met with Chinese leader Xi Jinping to discuss the latest information on the outbreak and reiterate their commitment to bringing it under control.
“The National Health Commission presented China’s strong public health capacities and resources to respond and manage respiratory disease outbreaks,” WHO’s statement said.
It said discussions focused on ways to cooperate to contain the virus in Wuhan and other cities and provinces and studies that could contribute to the development of medical countermeasures such as vaccines and treatments. Other WHO experts will visit China as soon as possible, it said.
“Stopping the spread of this virus both in China and globally is WHO’s highest priority,” Tedros said.
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Associated Press writer Christina Larson in Washington, D.C. contributed to this report.
By Emily Zanotti - The Daily Wire
Facebook, Twitter, Google, and other internet powerhouses are scrambling to control the flood of misinformation surrounding the coronavirus, a new and seemingly deadly disease responsible for dozens of deaths in China now spreading to other parts of the globe. But the Chinese government, it now seems, is working against the tide, spreading misinformation of their own to convince foreign governments and world health officials that they’re efficiently handling the outbreak.
The Daily Beast reports that Chinese state media is tweeting photos of roadblocks, checkpoints, and even a hastily constructed hospital to show it’s “on top of things.”
“People’s Daily, owned by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and the most-circulated newspaper in China, and Lijian Zhao, a deputy director of information with the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, tweeted an image Monday morning of a building they claimed was a hospital in Wuhan, China, the center of the recent coronavirus outbreak,” the Daily Beast reported Tuesday. “The publication and the bureaucrat said enterprising workers in Wuhan had constructed the hospital in just 16 hours.
“In reality, the picture showed an apartment building more than 600 miles away.”
Both Daily Beast and Buzzfeed News were able to identify the building using an image search, but that didn’t stop other Chinese news sources from propagating the government’s claim.
“The Global Times, another party outlet, published a story Monday about the purported construction,” boasting that the hospital was completed in just 16 hours.
“The government wants to use the new hospital to show it is on top of things, but apparently it is not. Even the picture of the hospital is fake,” a researcher with Human Rights Watch told the Daily Beast.
Such obvious misinformation is actually detrimental to the overall public relations push, experts said, because it makes it appear as though China is deliberately trying to mask their response to the disease, which has, so far, killed around a hundred people and infected 2,700 — a significant number, but by no means indicative of a massive outbreak, or even a pandemic.
To put the numbers in perspective, the Centers for Disease control estimates that “so far this season there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths from flu” in the United States alone.
But China struggles with containing disease, as evidenced by the SARS outbreak that took place in 2003, and those suffering from the coronavirus in China may be more likely to die not because the virus is so severe, but because the country lacks the infrastructure needed to handle a health crisis. A government-sponsored misinformation campaign does little to dispell that impression.
For China, the problem may also be internal. Memories of the SARS outbreak are still fresh in China and, The New York Times reported Monday, Chinese social media sites are overrun with commenters criticizing the government for botching the response to coronavirus. The Chinese government, which heavily censors such sites, seems powerless to control the anger, and it’s only a matter of time before distrust foments into more concrete anti-government action.
In the U.S. and Europe, social media sites and news organizations are working to head off disinformation campaigns, by foreign governments and viral media sources. The outbreak was not planned, “bat soup” is not responsible for the disease (though experts speculate Chinese “wet markets,” which sell warm, freshly slaughtered animal, may be breeding grounds for diseases like coronavirus), and coronavirus is not the result of bioweapons experimentation in Wuhan.
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Told ya, Lost.
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