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    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
    EU could still be jabbing people in 2023 - while Britain's success in the Covid vaccine's 'arms race' should see the jab offered to all UK adults by July

    Britain's success in the vaccine ‘arms race’ against the EU has been such that Germany’s bestselling newspaper that it ‘envied’ the UK – and the number-crunching shows why.

    If the major European countries don’t dramatically accelerate the speed of their vaccine rollout, it could be 2023 before they have offered a jab to all adults.



    No 10 announced last week that it expected to have offered a vaccine to all UK adults by the end of July, as part of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ plan to lift all restrictions by June 21.

    More than 19 million people in the UK have received at least one dose of a vaccine, compared with just 5.5 million in Germany and fewer than four million in France. If Germany keeps to its current seven-day average of injecting 114,000 people a day, it will be another 551 days before it has reached every adult – on August 28, 2022.

    In France, which is managing barely 92,000 jabs a day, liberation would not come until July 8, 2022. Other countries are faring even worse: Italy is due to hit the target on December 11, 2022, while Belgium is on course for May 22, 2023.

    Britain’s success has been hailed by No 10 as an illustration of the benefits of Brexit: the UK refused to join the EU’s cumbersome vaccine procurement plan, instead striking out on its own to make early deals for millions of doses.

    In its article, the Bild newspaper said: ‘While the British are already planning their summer vacation, Germany is stuck in lockdown.’

    It came as German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she would not take the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot because German regulators have not approved it for over-65s – despite the scientific evidence that it is highly effective.

    French President Emmanuel Macron initially questioned the AstraZeneca vaccine, but last week admitted that ‘the efficacy of the AstraZeneca vaccine has been proven’. He added that he would take it – but at 43, and given his country’s current rate of progress, he will have to wait until next year.



    France and Germany's denigration of the Oxford jab is turning a crisis into a catastrophe, writes DR GUNNAR BECK, German MEP


    Two contrasting public statements in the past few days tell you everything you need to know about the vaccination crisis engulfing the European Union.

    In Britain, the Queen took a clear lead by declaring that anyone hesitant to take the jab should think of others and not themselves.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel, meanwhile, told 83 million Germans that she would not be taking the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine – so adding to the fuel to the fire – and caused further concerns by raising the prospect of a compulsory EU vaccination passport in the spring.

    I think you can guess which nation has so far vaccinated 20 million people and has set out a road map for normal life by June 21.

    And which, on the other hand, has vaccinated just four million people amid huge public resistance to the AstraZeneca vaccine and an ominous warning of a third wave of infection.

    Small wonder that the popular German newspaper Bild last week printed a Union Flag on its front page with the headline 'Dear British, We Envy You'.

    Suspicion of the AstraZeneca jab is not restricted to Germany, of course. It is shared across the EU.

    So deep is the distrust, that 80 per cent of the 6.1 million doses delivered to the bloc so far lie unused in hospital refrigerators.

    In Berlin, the vaccination centre at the former Tegel Airport– which only offers the AstraZeneca jab – reports that only 200 people have been turning up for the 3,800 daily appointments.

    In France, Le Quotidien du Medecin, the GP's daily newspaper writes about a Paris surgery where half the patients with serious underlying health issues – those most at risk – have turned down the Oxford jab.

    In an empty Belgian vaccination centre, the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was said to have been dismissed as a 'low-budget Aldi' alternative.

    This state of affairs has nothing to do with the actual merit of the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab – or even the virtues of the vaccination programme itself as a treatment for coronavirus - and everything to do with the political posturing of the EU elite as it tries to cover up its failures by pointing the finger of blame elsewhere.

    While Britain used its Brexit freedoms to obtain a range of different vaccines and organise a national roll-out, the EU went into its default mode of mutual back scratching, bickering and failure.

    The roots of the problem go back to early last summer when it was slow to secure vaccine supplies, particularly in comparison with Britain.

    By July 20 last year, the UK was able to announce it had signed a deal with AstraZeneca for 90 million doses of its vaccine. This was a calculated gamble, but one which the British government hedged by buying small numbers of additional doses from other suppliers.

    It seems to have paid off – and in spades.

    The EU approach was haphazard. Worse, it acted as if it were sharing out the potential spoils of a war among its member states.

    In theory, the European Commission could use its buying power to ensure the rapid delivery of hundreds of millions of doses at rock bottom prices. But that ignored the dead hand of the EU bureaucracy, which is the last thing you need in a crisis.

    Valuable weeks and months were lost amid furious horse-trading in Brussels. Many orders were not made until September which, despite its financial clout, put Europe at the back of the queue.

    And those orders were badly flawed. In particular, they included an agreement to buy 300 million vaccine doses from the French pharmaceutical giant Sanofi – the same quantity as from Pfizer/BioNTech and AstraZeneca – even though Sanofi was trailing in development. The arrival of its vaccine has now been put back to the end of this year at the earliest.

    The truth, of course, is that the EU had simply prioritised EU manufacturers.

    Then came the blame game as leaders including Chancellor Merkel and President Macron started a furious row with AstraZeneca over vaccine allocation.

    The last thing the EU needed was growing public opposition to the Oxford jab. Yet this is precisely what its leaders have brought about to deflect attention from their own failings and incompetence.

    The damage seemed to start with erroneous reports in the German press that the AstraZeneca vaccine was only eight per cent effective for those aged over 65. The claim was immediately refuted by both Oxford University and the German Health Ministry.

    But the EU gave the impression that it is more than happy for these negative reports to circulate – an attitude which is petty, protectionist and vindictive.

    Doubts grew when the German authorities announced they would not allow the AstraZeneca jab to be used in people over 65 because there was insufficient data in the trials.

    Results from Scotland have shown that the Oxford jab cuts the risk of hospitalisation by as much as 94 per cent.

    And evidence from Public Health England revealed in today's Mail on Sunday suggests it might be even more effective than the Pfizer-Biontech rival.

    The real hammer blow, however came from Macron, who claimed – without scientific justification – that the early results were not encouraging for 60 to 65 year old people. Later, he even said the vaccine was quasi-ineffective for people over 65.

    True, the European Medical Agency has approved the vaccine, but that has made little difference to the public mood.

    Last month, the British government made a second calculated gamble, which again drew sneers from across the English Channel.

    By delaying second doses, the UK allowed many more people to receive the initial jab.

    So we are now in the situation where a third of the British population has been vaccinated, with infection and mortality rates in decline.

    Germany meanwhile has vaccinated just five per cent of its population. France has vaccinated only four per cent.

    Faced with this, the EU leaders have finally started to make the right noises.

    Macron has claimed that he would take the Oxford jab if he were offered it – a radical change of stance.

    Just a few days ago, Angela Merkel's spokesman pleaded with Germans to take 'the safe and highly effective' Oxford vaccine – although the message was clouded when 66-year-old Merkel then announced to the world that she would not be taking it because it is not appropriate for people her age!

    Germans have also been concerned to hear her talk about the prospects of a vaccine passport in the spring, amid widespread fears that jabs will become compulsory.

    Now, the political point scoring has left many people so confused that they're turning down appointments.

    I'm not a medical doctor or an expert. I'm not even qualified to take a view on whether or not a vaccine programme is the right way forward or not. But I am certain of this: the vaccine chaos has crystallised the true nature the EU. It is in crisis or, rather, it is in state of perpetual crisis.

    It is quite clear that Germany could have done so much better on its own, without the dead hand of the EU.

    The Brussels true believers are hell-bent on sticking to their project, the construction of a centralised super-state. And in doing so, they manipulate the democratic and legal process left, right and centre – even if that means spreading damaging rumours about a life-saving vaccine in the middle of a public health crisis with catastrophic economic consequences. Germany's political elite is so convinced the EU can do no wrong that last year it criminalised the vilification of the EU flag, now punishable with up to three years in prison.

    It is a perfect illustration of why all-too-often, harmonisation means levelling down to the lowest common denominator.

    And why Britain, now freed of its chains, can finally take decisions in its own national interest.



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    Lol, this wasn't the full article? I hurt my neck.

    It will be interesting to see if there is a silver lining to the UK's multiple covid f******

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Lol, this wasn't the full article? I hurt my neck.

    It will be interesting to see if there is a silver lining to the UK's multiple covid f******
    They seem to be doing very well...... certainly better than our few thousand only over a week.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
    They seem to be doing very well...... certainly better than our few thousand only over a week.....
    Yes, our rollout is going to be slow, I feel. Victims of our own success

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    Channel 4 (2009) - Quote from Council of Europe 3:03:

    Council of Europe (2009) quote featured in video - 'will investigate and debate on "Faked Pandemics"'
    http://www.herbogeminis.com/IMG/pdf/...ang_Wodarg.pdf

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    Covid-19 redpill for the normies

    Step 1
    >ask them if COVID-19 and the Great Reset is a conspiracy
    >they most likely answer yes
    Step 2
    >ask them if the World Economic Forum (WEF) is a credible organization
    >they most likely answer yes
    Step 3
    >ask them why the Wizard of WEF published this book on Amazon
    >they shut down, program failure



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    Here's another totally believable one


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    "Dont use a tried and true preventative that even Dr Fauci said was highly effective until Orange Man Bad"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxy...-donald-trump/

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    https://archive.vn/gCd4f

    Surgisphere: governments and WHO changed Covid-19 policy based on suspect data from tiny US company

    Surgisphere, whose employees appear to include a sci-fi writer and adult content model, provided database behind Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine hydroxychloroquine studies

    The World Health Organization and a number of national governments have changed their Covid-19 policies and treatments on the basis of flawed data from a little-known US healthcare analytics company, also calling into question the integrity of key studies published in some of the world’s most prestigious medical journals.
    A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.
    Data it claims to have legitimately obtained from more than a thousand hospitals worldwide formed the basis of scientific articles that have led to changes in Covid-19 treatment policies in Latin American countries. It was also behind a decision by the WHO and research institutes around the world to halt trials of the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine. On Wednesday, the WHO announced those trials would now resume.
    Two of the world’s leading medical journals – the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine – published studies based on Surgisphere data. The studies were co-authored by the firm’s chief executive, Sapan Desai.
    Late on Tuesday, after being approached by the Guardian, the Lancet released an “expression of concern” about its published study. The New England Journal of Medicine has also issued a similar notice.
    An independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has now been commissioned by the authors not affiliated with Surgisphere because of “concerns that have been raised about the reliability of the database”.

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    and here's the WHO noting in 2003 that PCR tests shouldnt be abused



    Back in 2003 from WHO
    >Laboratories performing SARS specific PCR tests should adopt strict criteria for confirmation of positive results, especially in low prevalence areas, where the positive predictive value might be lower
    i.e. If they expect the person to not be infected, be extra cautious of positive results.

    >The PCR procedure should include appropriate controls in each run, which should yield the expected results. They should include:
    >should yield expected results
    i.e. The test is not being used to find out, it's being used to confirm an assumption of the person being positive or negative. There is an expectation of a certain result beforehand.

    >1 negative control for the extraction procedure and 1 water control for the PCR run
    >1 positive control for extraction and PCR run
    >the patient sample spiked with a weak positive control to detect PCR inhibitory substances (inhibition control)
    >- If a positive PCR result has been obtained, it should be confirmed by:
    >repeating the PCR starting from the original sample OR having the same sample tested in a second laboratory
    Lots of controls to make sure tests didn't cause wrong conclusions. Especially positive results.

    >Amplifying a second genome region will increase test specificity
    Specificity measures a test's ability to correctly generate a negative result for people who don't have the condition. What they're saying here is that checking for another aspect of the diseases molecular structure increases the odds of finding a true negative (analogy: if you want to see if someone owns a dog, don't just look for dog food in their house, look for a dog bowl or some other evidence)

    Link to original, allegedly from 2003: https://www.who.int/csr/sars/coronarecommendations/en/
    Link to cached: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=ie
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Yes, our rollout is going to be slow, I feel. Victims of our own success
    It seems that everyone else has lost interest in this thread....

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    Today is Day 353 of "15 Days to Slow the Spread".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
    It seems that everyone else has lost interest in this thread....
    Yeah, at this point, you're either thinking, or following the crowd mindlessly

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    'NINETY PER CENT of Germany's severe Covid-19 patients have migrant background and more than half are Muslim' despite making up 4.8% of the population - with politicians 'afraid to tackle the problem in case they look racist'


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ackground.html

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    "The Military Can’t Get Troops to Take the Covid Vaccine. Come Again?"

    https://www.thenation.com/article/so...covid-vaccine/

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    imagine going back to 1990 and telling people in 30 years Bill Gates is going to be telling you that you dont have a choice whether you want to get a "vaccine" or not


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