Protesters clog streets in Michigan over Whitmer coronavirus stay-home order

[KevinD]

TLDNR: is GF post saying the protesters aren't real?

[RBP]

TLDNR: is GF post saying the protesters aren't real?

Well saying it's some manipulated, coordinated effort, not an organic protest by citizens.

[lost in melb.]

There are currently as many deaths from the normal flu season as COVID.

Yeah, but if it wasn't for social distancing it could be 50 times more. That's not forget this isn't potentially a killer

[DemonGeminiX]

Well saying it's some manipulated, coordinated effort, not an organic protest by citizens.

Just like Black Lives Matter! And Antifa!

[Griffin]

Yeah, but if it wasn't for social distancing it could be 50 times more. That's not forget this isn't potentially a killer

I was practicing social distancing well before it became mandated.

Not for preventative measures mind you but because I can't stand being around people.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yeah, but if it wasn't for social distancing it could be 50 times more. That's not forget this isn't potentially a killer

50 times more? And what exactly are you basing that number on? Unless a place like Sweden, which let everything basically go "business as usual" other than telling the elderly and the people that had underlying conditions to stay home, has a pet capita death rate of 50 times the average, then we'll never know what would have happened if we hadn't destroyed the world economy.

And as for that death rate, those numbers can be manipulated any way people want. First, we'll never know how many people in China were actually infected and how many really died. Never. And second, here in the US, if you die, no matter the cause, if you test positive for the Wu Flu, that's what they are marking down as the CoD.

[Pony]

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.
80+ years old
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities

These numbers are from New York.

[Godfather]

50 times more? And what exactly are you basing that number on? Unless a place like Sweden, which let everything basically go "business as usual" other than telling the elderly and the people that had underlying conditions to stay home, has a pet capita death rate of 50 times the average, then we'll never know what would have happened if we hadn't destroyed the world economy.

And as for that death rate, those numbers can be manipulated any way people want. First, we'll never know how many people in China were actually infected and how many really died. Never. And second, here in the US, if you die, no matter the cause, if you test positive for the Wu Flu, that's what they are marking down as the CoD.

Greece has a similar population to Sweden and 4 times the density of Sweden. They've made about the same number of tests. The difference is, Greece locked down early and firmly:
- Greece Cases 2235, deaths: 110
- Sweden Cases 13,822, deaths: 1511

Also more than 50% of households in Sweden are single-person.

I'm really rooting for Sweden because this virus isn't going away in a few weeks, so we need their system to be practicable. Not sure yet though.

[Hikari Kisugi]

There are currently as many deaths from the normal flu season as COVID.

Yet... These are additional.
People sick with this clog entire hospitals, take up all the ventilators and staff times, so there isn't time for normal medicine to proceed at its usual pace.
There is something quite different about this.

The studies that will emerge after will be fascinating.
It will also give us a head start on how to plan for a proper infectious illness, say airborne Ebola or some mad shit that'll eventually appear.

[lost in melb.]

50 times more? And what exactly are you basing that number on? Unless a place like Sweden, which let everything basically go "business as usual" other than telling the elderly and the people that had underlying conditions to stay home, has a pet capita death rate of 50 times the average, then we'll never know what would have happened if we hadn't destroyed the world economy.

And as for that death rate, those numbers can be manipulated any way people want. First, we'll never know how many people in China were actually infected and how many really died. Never. And second, here in the US, if you die, no matter the cause, if you test positive for the Wu Flu, that's what they are marking down as the CoD.

I'm modeling on business as usual, the same that we do with the flu. I would guess 50 minimum, up to 500 times more deaths than the seasonal flu ( including comorbidities). Maybe check with deebakes, he'd know more about this

[RBP]

Yet... These are additional.
People sick with this clog entire hospitals, take up all the ventilators and staff times, so there isn't time for normal medicine to proceed at its usual pace.
There is something quite different about this.

The studies that will emerge after will be fascinating.
It will also give us a head start on how to plan for a proper infectious illness, say airborne Ebola or some mad shit that'll eventually appear.

I read a report that cardiac visits to the ER are down 50%. There's a whole 'nother piper to pay. I get frustrated with the thinking that the solutions cause no death... only save lives. That's completely illogical.

[lost in melb.]

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.
80+ years old
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities

These numbers are from New York.

I'd be curious about the statistics of people that have to go to hospital, the people that had to go to intensive care, and how long they were in intensive care for ( those that survived)

[Pony]

I'd be curious about the statistics of people that have to go to hospital, the people that had to go to intensive care, and how long they were in intensive care for ( those that survived)

That would be tough because most people that stay at home with zero-moderate symptoms aren't currently getting tested.
There is some breakdown info here.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

And more charts from New York, including deaths of people with underlying conditions broken down into age groups.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

[lost in melb.]

That would be tough because most people that stay at home with zero-moderate symptoms aren't currently getting tested.
There is some breakdown info here.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

And more charts from New York, including deaths of people with underlying conditions broken down into age groups.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

Wow, look at the deaths from pneumonia! ( Unrelated to Covid)

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Dom Calicchio | Fox News




Protesters gathered outside the home of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Thursday -- the same day reports emerged that she plans to extend the state’s coronavirus stay-at-home order by two weeks until May 15.

The demonstration, dubbed “Operation Queen’s Castle,” featured an image of Whitmer wearing a crown, FOX 2 of Detroit reported.

“We wanted to send Gretchen Whitmer a message, we didn't want to surrender our liberties just for a little temporary safety,” Brian Pannebecker, who helped organize the protest, told the station.

Meanwhile, the Michigan Legislature has scheduled a special session for Friday with the goal of creating an oversight committee to review Whitmer’s coronavirus orders and possibly strip her of some of her powers, the Detroit Free Press reported.

Critics have accused Whitmer, a 48-year-old first-term Democratic governor, of overstepping her authority with a series of measures intended to stem the spread of coronavirus in the state. April 9 revisions to her initial stay-at-home order included bans on visiting friends and relatives or traveling to vacation homes, and halts on sales of items such as furniture and gardening supplies.

In a podcast interview, she also said abortions should continue in the state during the virus outbreak because the procedures were part of "life-sustaining" health care for women.

In addition, Whitmer came under fire after a no-bid coronavirus-related state contract was awarded to a firm operated by a well-known Democratic consultant who had written that President Trump should "get coronavirus ASAP." Whitmer’s office later acknowleged that the contract was awarded without adhering to normal protocols.

Michigan House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, explained the point of Friday’s planned session in a Twitter message.

“The House & Senate will convene tomorrow to create a special oversight committee on COVID-19 to examine our government’s response,” he wrote. “Michigan needs to handle this pandemic seriously yet properly. It’s what the people deserve, and we will see that it happens.”

In another tweet, Chatfield noted that marijuana, lottery tickets and alcohol had been declared "essential," while lawn care, construction and fishing in a motorized boat had been declared nonessential amid the outbreak.

On Monday, Whitmer said she would take a 10 percent cut to her $159,300 annual salary and her staffers would take cuts of 5 percent as the state grapples with the financial fallout of the coronavirus shutdowns. She also continued defending the orders she has issued.

“I know it’s not easy, but the price of losing loved ones is what’s at stake,” she said, noting that many people who contract the virus show no symptoms but can still spread it.

The theme of Thursday’s protest in Lansing, the state’s capital city, was that many Michiganders who are able to work should be able to do so, Pannebecker said.

“Younger people, healthy people, without putting anybody else in danger, including ourselves, and others in danger, should be able to go back to work,” Pannebecker told FOX 2.

The demonstration came eight days after a larger gathering outside the Statehouse called “Operation Gridlock.”

As of late Thursday, Michigan had more than 35,200 confirmed cases of the virus and nearly 3,000 deaths, the Detroit News reported.