Will Kellyanne Survive

[Griffin]

Let's face it, Over the past 5 years, America has slipped tremendously in its international reputation. (I know - you don't give a fuck!) If you want to hear it like it is, (your point), that is solely due to one person. Even other world leaders mock the man. I just want to see the humourous side.

If Hillary Clinton was President right now, there would be no humorous side.

[RBP]

Let's face it, Over the past 5 years, America has slipped tremendously in its international reputation. (I know - you don't give a fuck!) If you want to hear it like it is, (your point), that is solely due to one person. Even other world leaders mock the man. I just want to see the humourous side.

Well Trump has only been President for 3.5. I'd say the US reputation had declined since about a year after Obama took office. Obama was horrible on foreign policy.

[Placid]

If Hillary Clinton was President right now, there would be no humorous side.

I reckon there'd be plenty of good memes and cartoons...

[Placid]

Well Trump has only been President for 3.5. I'd say the US reputation had declined since about a year after Obama took office. Obama was horrible on foreign policy.

You forget the time he spent in the leadup.....

Obama may not have been everyone's cup of tea but he was a great orator and garnered a lot of respect ...

[RBP]

You forget the time he spent in the leadup.....

Obama may not have been everyone's cup of tea but he was a great orator and garnered a lot of respect ...

Style over substance. People literally wept in the streets when he was elected. The Nobel Prize is another great example. The Arab Sporing was his crowning achievement until it became an abject failure. He was gifted at stirring hearts and minds, but there was nothing behind it.

[Griffin]

You forget the time he spent in the leadup.....

Obama may not have been everyone's cup of tea but he was a great orator and garnered a lot of respect ...

He is a powerful speaker for sure, but that's it he's all talk and a lousy leader. As far as respect he lost that in his 8 years.

[Placid]

He is a powerful speaker for sure, but that's it he's all talk and a lousy leader. As far as respect he lost that in his 8 years.

Not internationally....

[DemonGeminiX]

Not internationally....

We don't care what his status was internationally. We don't care what the rest of the world thinks about him. He wasn't President of the international community, he was President of the United States. What matters to us is what we think of him here. He's one of the worst and most divisive Presidents this country has ever had.

[Placid]

We don't care what his status was internationally. We don't care what the rest of the world thinks about him. He wasn't President of the international community, he was President of the United States. What matters to us is what we think of him here. He's one of the worst and most divisive Presidents this country has ever had.

....and are you happy with that?

[DemonGeminiX]

....and are you happy with that?

With Obama being one of the worst Presidents we ever had? It doesn't really matter how I feel about it, man. It is what it is.

[Placid]

With Obama being one of the worst Presidents we ever had? It doesn't really matter how I feel about it, man. It is what it is.

RANKED: The greatest US presidents, according to political scientists - it surprised me to see LBJs ranking....




The 10 Worst Presidents

James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Franklin Pierce
Warren G. Harding
William Henry Harrison
Millard Fillmore (tie)
John Tyler (tie)
Herbert Hoover
Chester A. Arthur
Benjamin Harrison

Not Ranked: Donald Trump

Born: June 14, 1946
Inauguration: Jan. 20, 2017
Vice President: Mike Pence

Trump was not included in the U.S. News rankings, but that hasn't stopped some historians from wondering where he will rank among America's best and worst in the White House.

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Americans rank Barack Obama as best president of their lifetimes: Poll

Trump is ranked as best or second best by 19 percent of Americans

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It seems that this may be somewhat subjective... could it depend on the political leanings of the ranker...?